LVO Narrative help

[Sume]

Greetings everyone,

I am trying to figure out a list to use for the LVO narrative double events.  So not looking for over the top power and all.  I am partnering up with a friend that's using Space marines.  Forgot the detachment he is using.  It's the one where everything gets better if it's a heavy weapon and has not moved.  He's looking to hold home objectives and help with long range support.  I am at a toss-up on 4 variants of a list.  It's based on what I own or need to paint.  I do have some more options expect nothing that's penitent host atm.  Expect 1 penitent engine.  Wish I had some more though as that be an option too.  One thing that I want to stay in the list is an Inquisitor.  I have access to one in terminator armor too, with a psyccannon I made out of Inquisitor Rex years ago.  Expect I really want to use the special limited edition one that came with the launch of Witchhunters.  I do realize it is hurting my list building. I have Greyfax but for narrative I wanted to go with generic guys even if Greyfax is technically better.  The inquisitor will be attached to a battle sister squad in 3 of these lists.  I am trying to figure out which one looks the best and with the recent miracle dice nerf I am not sure what to do.  My half of the force is meant to be fire power and a rapid response force.

List 1:

Canoness with Jump Pack (90pts): Blade of Saint Ellynor, Blessed Halberd
Dialogus (45pts): Bolt pistol, Dialogus Staff, Divine Aspect

10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)
10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)

5x Seraphim Squad (90pts)
5x Seraphim Squad (90pts)
10x Sisters Novitiate Squad (100pts)
10x Zephyrim Squad (170pts)
Sororitas Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Storm bolter
Sororitas Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Storm bolter

Inquisitor (55pts): Warlord, Force weapon, Combi-weapon, Psychic gifts

List 2: 

Canoness with Jump Pack (90pts): Blade of Saint Ellynor, Blessed Halberd

10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)

5x Seraphim Squad (90pts)
5x Seraphim Squad (90pts)
10x Sisters Novitiate Squad (100pts)
10x Zephyrim Squad (170pts)
3x Paragon Warsuits (220pts)
Sororitas Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Storm bolter

Inquisitor (55pts): Warlord, Force weapon, Combi-weapon, Psychic gifts

List 3:
 

Canoness with Jump Pack (90pts): Blade of Saint Ellynor, Blessed Halberd
Palatine (60pts): Palatine blade, Litanies of Faith, Bolt pistol

10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)

10x Celestian Sacresants (150pts)
5x Seraphim Squad (90pts)
10x Zephyrim Squad (170pts)
Sororitas Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Storm bolter
Sororitas Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Storm bolter

Inquisitor (55pts): Warlord, Force weapon, Combi-weapon, Psychic gifts
6x Inquisitorial Agents (60pts)
Inquisitorial Chimera (70pts): Armoured tracks, Lasgun array, Heavy bolter, Multi-laser

List 4:
 

Canoness with Jump Pack (90pts): Blade of Saint Ellynor, Blessed Halberd

10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)

10x Celestian Sacresants (150pts)
5x Seraphim Squad (90pts)
5x Seraphim Squad (90pts)
10x Sisters Novitiate Squad (100pts)
10x Zephyrim Squad (170pts)
Sororitas Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Storm bolter
Sororitas Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Storm bolter

Inquisitor (55pts): Warlord, Force weapon, Combi-weapon, Psychic gifts

[W.A.Rorie]

I feel like List #1 or List #2 with #2 being my go to list. 

[Sume]

Thanks.  I know the 4 lists are pretty similar.  I tried to juggle things around to get an exacation squad with an inquisitorial chimera since I have both painted up.  My friend gave me the Imperial Agents combat patrol after he couldnt list what he wanted into his guard.  As I asked about the priest and assassin in it if he didnt want them.

I am well aware the inquisitor is a weak point and sucking points I could spend else were expect he has never hit the tabletop and I felt for narrative play he's going to finally be there.  Also based a cosplay off him.

I had list paralysis as I never done narrative before and trying to take into account that the space marine list is a bunch of big guns, missiles and hard to move troops.  Tried to design around trying to deal with hordes too.  Looks like the simple list cut off that I am planning to use Army of Faith.  Guess the gear gives it away too though.  Originally was going to do bringers of flame but the latest nerf I was like well I have 8 boxes of serphaim so lets load up on the kit. Also really wanted the sacrants with a hospitaller and a palatine but if I am reading things right, thats an invalid combo.  

Weapon loadouts is flamers where I can get them.  With the warsuits geared for anti-tank duty.  I like the idea of being able to redeploy the jump pack units.  Also, the 1 -2 rhinos make me feel like their big gun targets but guess if there are 3 ballistic dreadnaughts those will probably draw more fire.  

Edited December 20, 2024 by Sume

[W.A.Rorie]

You can take a Palatine, Hospitaller and Sacresants in a squad

[Sume]

49 minutes ago, WAR said:

You can take a Palatine, Hospitaller and Sacresants in a squad

Maybe I am missing something.  I double checked and this is what I got off New Recruit and also what I found in the printed book.  Unless its in a FAQ I have missed.

This model can be attached to a Battle Sisters Squad, even if one Canoness, Palatine, Junith Eruita, or Aestred Thurga unit has already been attached to it. If you do, and that Bodyguard unit is destroyed, the Leader units attached to it become separate units, with their original Starting Strengths.

[W.A.Rorie]

24 minutes ago, Sume said:

Maybe I am missing something.  I double checked and this is what I got off New Recruit and also what I found in the printed book.  Unless its in a FAQ I have missed.

This model can be attached to a Battle Sisters Squad, even if one Canoness, Palatine, Junith Eruita, or Aestred Thurga unit has already been attached to it. If you do, and that Bodyguard unit is destroyed, the Leader units attached to it become separate units, with their original Starting Strengths.

 

 yeah you are right......that sucks. cause they are are specifically talking about Battle Sister Squads

Edited December 20, 2024 by WAR

[Sume]

Ya I mean I went, and triple checked with the book.  New Recruit and even looked through the FAQs.  All the leaders that are not Canoness, and Palatine, Junith Eurita or Aestred Thurga all say only Battle Sister Squads if one of those are present.  Guess they don't want cool things like a Hospitaler keeping a unit of Sacrants alive while getting lethal hits from the Palatine if they're using the halberd.  Which is how I built mine.  

[ThePenitentOne]

Is there a narrative background package for the event yet?

 

Will you be using this army outside of the event, and if so, are you a campaigner/ Crusader?

 

I'm away from my library at the moment, but if I remember correctly, Army of Faith is the detachment that lets Jump units tag team on strats, so I like the double Seraphim with the big block of Zephyrim. 

 

I want to know more about your Inquisitor; the Chimera/ Hench build brings more focus to the Inquisition. I'm not sure that it's competitively the best option... But it's a Narrative event, so the question is whether or not your narrative has room for big Inquisition. If they're packing hench in a Chimera, they're established Hunters who have called in their banners as they close in for the kill. If they show up solo, they're leaning more heavily on the Chamber, which may suggests less access to independent power. If you're attaching the inquisitor to the BSS, you could paint them in Inquisition colours to signify their role. 

 

In a Crusade situation, I'd definitely take the Chimera and Hench- I might even build the Inquisition out a bit so that I could play small battles with just Agent units, others with pure Sisters and then larger battles as a combined force. Having units from both dexes allows you to access Crusade material from both, so the Army as a whole could be working on Inquisition threats, but Sisters can still be Saints Potentia or swear Penitent Oaths.

[Sume]

Good questions.  I know there is some background for the event.  We were asked to select which faction from a list of four we would like to join.  Friend and I took the Stalwart faction.  Were we are looking to defend the planet and have a saint obtain sainthood.  We even got to name the Saint.  

My idea really is that the Inquisitor was drawn to the sector to find more out about the saint.  Had an idea for a small henchmen force supplemented with Sisters that the Inquisitor uses to help supplement when he needs more support.  Then really liked the idea of that the Inquisitor is leaning in on a chamber of Sisters of Battle to help him out when the sector he is in has become under siege.  

Of course, now after Secret Santa at the Local Warhammer store, and my friend picked me up some Grey Knight terminators.  May change some things up.  As I know have access to a full squad of Arco Flaggants.  

Overall I am really thinking my lists 1 and 2.  Should be the ones I should use.  Unless I find myself out of time to paint something.

[ThePenitentOne]

That's interesting- your terminator Inquisitor with the psycannon would go well with the GK.  

 

Would you switch the Inquisitor's affiliation to Malleus? That would change the relationship with the Sisters; there's nothing saying a Hereticus Inquisitor can't requisition GK... It's an interesting choice.

[W.A.Rorie]

11 hours ago, ThePenitentOne said:

That's interesting- your terminator Inquisitor with the psycannon would go well with the GK.  

 

Would you switch the Inquisitor's affiliation to Malleus? That would change the relationship with the Sisters; there's nothing saying a Hereticus Inquisitor can't requisition GK... It's an interesting choice.

 

Daemonifuge was all about Malleus with Sisters, but IIRC Inquisitor Hand was Hereticus and switched to Malleus, and he would know of the Grey Knights. Just as an idea.

 

@Sume Grey Knight Termies could be the backfield harassers for your team.....I may be at bit bias though 

 

 

[Sume]

Oh, I messed around and was looking at Agents of Imperium detachment.  Made one that had both inquisitors.  Points to swap between games any single assassin as needed.  It has 3 squads of sisters, 2 rhinos 1, immolator 1 subduction squad, priest and chimera.  Then 2 grey knight terminator units as we picked up 3 for giggles.  Even was gifted a maganizted grey knight land raider in case thats allowed to be taken again.  I used the Ordo Hereticus detachment as I am actually bringing a Witch Hunter cosplay too.  Then I saw that the fleet detachment let you infiltrate units.  Which I designed it with 2 exaction squads and a sister squad to infiltrate but then I was like well the Fleet detachment isnt too narrative fluffy if I just load it up with inquisitorial stuff.  

Hard choices.  Also looking at trying to figure out a list that uses the GK terminators, nundans and the termintor Inquistor.  Which leave me 500 points left over.  Idea is I got like 3 weeks to paint the rest of everything.  So, the less models the better.  Just cant come up with anything I liked.  Besides that fleet detachment that seemed unfluffy to me with no voidsmen and a rogue trader.

Ya there's nothing against an Hereticus using GK requestion too.  The list that has the Warsuits could easily just have the GK terminators too.

[Sume]

Oh, forgot to mention.  I plan to play Sisters of Battle outside the narrative event regardless.  It's my go to army since 3rd.  I do have like 10k points worth of Slaanesh demons and some Black legion Chaos Space marines.  It was to be able to play something different.  

For this I defiantly want to bring Sisters of Battle.  Seems the best way to use both Inquisitors is with Agents of the Imperium, and I am drawn to the Fleet detachment cause of the infiltration.  Sadly, half the stratagems would be useless then though.  Unless I can find a decent way to keep the core of what I want with Army of faith.  Jump units, Jump pack cannoness.  The foot inquisitor.  Warsuits and/or Grey Knight terminators.  I am going to shoot for finishing painting the components that get the closeted to list 2, and if there is time list 1, and one of the Grey Knight terminators units. As it could be swapped for the warsuits.  If we figure the warsuits are hot trash without Morgan Val.  As we can switch lists between matches but not switch based on the opposing team.

[Sume]

Looking through my old 3rd ed Witchhunter codex.  One of the sample forces is Inquisitor Cortex (think that was before he was named) is leading Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle.  So, to me, it wouldnt feel odd if I did include some Grey Knight terminators.  Now the question is Army of faith, or one of the Agents of the Imperium Detachments.  I really like the Army of Faith for thematic as it's the closeted thing I am going to get to the 2nd ed Ordo Hereticus strike force.

If you are familiar or not familiar with that one.  It was in a 2nd ed chapter approved.  Think this was the first time the Inquisition was around that I am aware off anyways.  The army list was nothing but celestians and serphaim.  If it couldnt deep strike it had to go into a drop pod.  It was also the first introduction of repetina expect at that time they actually had guns and was meant to be a conversion.  I figure well no access to drop pods now adays.  That Army of Faith is about as close as I'll get to this.  

I plan to do a Army on Parade entry when I do get enough drop pods.  Like 2 - 3 more.  Since Army on Parade is thematic.  I could make it look like warsuits or penitent engines came from a drop pod like a dreadnaught.  Anyway, thats out of scope for this thread and my list paralysis though.  I'll leave two more lists taking into account the terminators.  Will not post the agent ones unless asked, since this is the Sister of Battle subforum and not the Imperial Weidos.  

List 1 with Grey Knights
This list is more of a request by my friend to include the warsuits and terminators.  I am not sold on it.
 

Palatine (65pts): Palatine blade, Blade of Saint Ellynor, Bolt pistol

10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)
10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)

5x Seraphim Squad (90pts)
3x Paragon Warsuits (220pts)
Sororitas Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Storm bolter
Sororitas Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Storm bolter

5x Grey Knights Terminator Squad (210pts)
Inquisitor (55pts): Warlord, Force weapon, Combi-weapon, Psychic gifts

List 2 with Grey Knights

 

Canoness with Jump Pack (90pts): Blade of Saint Ellynor, Blessed Halberd

10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)

10x Dominion Squad (125pts)
5x Seraphim Squad (90pts)
5x Seraphim Squad (90pts)
5x Zephyrim Squad (85pts)
Sororitas Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Storm bolter
Sororitas Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Storm bolter

5x Grey Knights Terminator Squad (210pts)
Inquisitor (55pts): Warlord, Force weapon, Combi-weapon, Psychic gifts

I really like the 2nd list.  It gives me that Ordo Herecticus strike force feel.  I suppose I could tweak it around.  Drop the dominions and their rhino.  To get a bigger Zephyrim squad which I would love to do.  I am going to list that one too.  I mean the novilates can represent the repentia from the 2rd ed version.  Guess if I had access to a drop pod.  It would replace that rhino.  So, the rhino can be a pretend drop pod.  I like list 2 and 3 the best.

List 3 with Grey Knights 

 

Canoness with Jump Pack (90pts): Blade of Saint Ellynor, Blessed Halberd

10x Battle Sisters Squad (105pts)

5x Seraphim Squad (90pts)
5x Seraphim Squad (90pts)
10x Sisters Novitiate Squad (100pts)
10x Zephyrim Squad (170pts)
Sororitas Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Storm bolter

5x Grey Knights Terminator Squad (210pts)
Inquisitor (55pts): Warlord, Force weapon, Combi-weapon, Psychic gifts

Edited December 24, 2024 by Sume

[W.A.Rorie]

2nd for sure

 

[Sume]

Well, I am not sold on this list.  It is actually based on Grey Knights so I could technically squeeze in the Terminator Inquisitor as a Captain. and actually, use the Forge World Land Raider.  It's hilariously low body count army but it might be what I end up working with due to time constraints.  Apparently can't bring more than 1 sister of battle squad .  This gives out a fairly low body count.  All I can say is it does give off a heavy Inquisitor vibe regardless.  

 

Grand Master (95pts): Nemesis Force Weapon, Warlord, Psycannon

5x Brotherhood Terminator Squad (200pts)
5x Brotherhood Terminator Squad (200pts)

Land Raider Banisher (255pts): 2x Heavy Incinerator, Hunter-killer Missile, Multi-Melta, Storm Bolter, Twin Psycannon

Imperial Rhino (75pts): Armoured tracks, Storm bolter
Inquisitor (55pts): Force weapon, Combi-weapon, Psychic gifts
10x Sisters of Battle Squad (115pts)

Edited December 27, 2024 by Sume

[W.A.Rorie]

<Puts on Grey Knight Terminator Helm>

 

Using the Teleport Strike Force Detachment.  Grey Knights are gonna be your mobile forces. 

My suggestions are drop the Grand Master and Banisher.  Take a Librarian as your warlord, a Brother Captain and a 5 interceptor squad

 

Librarian (135 pts): Nemesis Force Weapon storm bolter, Warlord, Inescapable Wrath enhancement

Brother- Captain (90 pts): Nemesis Force Weapon Psycannon

5x Brotherhood Terminator Squad (200 pts)-  probably psycannon as heavy

5x Brotherhood Terminator Squad (200 pts)- probably psycannon as heavy

5x Interceptor Squad (130 pts)- no heavy/ special weapons

Inquisitor (55 pts): Force Weapon, combi- Weapon, psychic gifts

10x Battle Sisters (115 pts): Plasma pistol power weapon superior, Simulacrum Imperialis, and choice of specials/ heavy

Imperial Rhino (75 pts): Storm Bolter HK Missile and armoured tracks 

 

[Sume]

14 minutes ago, WAR said:

<Puts on Grey Knight Terminator Helm>

 

Using the Teleport Strike Force Detachment.  Grey Knights are gonna be your mobile forces. 

My suggestions are drop the Grand Master and Banisher.  Take a Librarian as your warlord, a Brother Captain and a 5 interceptor squad

 

Librarian (135 pts): Nemesis Force Weapon storm bolter, Warlord, Inescapable Wrath enhancement

Brother- Captain (90 pts): Nemesis Force Weapon Psycannon

5x Brotherhood Terminator Squad (200 pts)-  probably psycannon as heavy

5x Brotherhood Terminator Squad (200 pts)- probably psycannon as heavy

5x Interceptor Squad (130 pts)- no heavy/ special weapons

Inquisitor (55 pts): Force Weapon, combi- Weapon, psychic gifts

10x Battle Sisters (115 pts): Plasma pistol power weapon superior, Simulacrum Imperialis, and choice of specials/ heavy

Imperial Rhino (75 pts): Storm Bolter HK Missile and armoured tracks 

 

I agree with you 100%.  This is using the Teleport strike force detachment as well the grotmas one dosent do anything too.  The problem is this is using models I have in my collection when it comes to Grey Knights.  The converted Inquisitor Rex that I figured can work as the Grandmaster.  Then there is 2 terminator squads and 1 paladin squad.  Along with the land raider.  The bansher could be dropped for the paladin squad and then the grandmaster could be upgraded to a Librarian.  Trying to keep with WYSIWG though.  Why the Grandmaster is there, as the model was converted with a psycannon.

 

Edited December 27, 2024 by Sume