Theory of Rogal Dorn's return.

[MadGamerAK]

The only way I would be ok (ish) with Sanguinius coming back is if he way kind of like the Legion of the damned. He could just show up when they are desperate.

[Karhedron]

2 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

It's also an assumption that GW keep the 2:1 ratio, i suspect in the search for more money, that'll be quietly ditched. 

 

I believe that initially they wanted to keep Guilliman outnumbered to play up his sense of isolation and to show Chaos was still on top. But that was 6 years ago and we have seen the Lion return since (although they have not yet met). My guess is the 2:1 ratio was convenient rather than a target to be stuck to. 

[Indy Techwisp]

5 hours ago, Karhedron said:

I believe that initially they wanted to keep Guilliman outnumbered to play up his sense of isolation and to show Chaos was still on top. But that was 6 years ago and we have seen the Lion return since (although they have not yet met). My guess is the 2:1 ratio was convenient rather than a target to be stuck to. 

Lion and Guilliman met up in Arks of Omen tho, right?

He got a Rideshare from Dante and the Blood Angels to go see him.

 

Also, I see we've reached the "GW are bringing back the dead Primarchs" era of this primarch discussion thread.

 

For those of you saying Sanguinius is back, I'd like to point out that A) The Blood Angels are known for having weirdly specific visions in dire moments and B) we have a few examples of Primarchs being rather Warp compatible.

The warp is canonically where you go when you die in 40k (barring very specific exceptions), so Sangy's Spirit having a chat to his sons via Near Death experiance isn't too out of the question for a very Warp compatible being having their Warp infused soul yeeted into the Warp via death. If we get a 40k Sangy model, I'm expecting it to be more like the Ynncarne than Lion or Guilliman, where it only manifests during a battle because he's a Literal Warp Spirit that's being summoned by his Sons going nuts and seeing that Horus Duel on repeat (also, could add another counter to the "Big E is a Warp God" track, since this would give him a proper "Daemon Primarch" to go with Saint Celestine the named Daemon Prince. All we need now are Legion of the Damned for battleline and a Dove-based Nurgling equivalent...)

 

For Ferrus Manus, he is turbo dead. Not even any hints he's back in anyway.

However, there was some old Lore that the Iron Hands built a Robo-Ferrus Manus, right? I could be wrong there, but I see that repeated a bunch. IMO tho, we should instead look to our old friend, the "Big E is a Warp God"  Conspiracy Theory! Where better to put your turbo-dead headless primarch than the Emperor's Legion of Undead Flaming Ghost Marines! Seriously tho, bringing back Ferrus "properly" ruins the Iron Hands more so than bringing back Sanguinius, since we know full well that Ferrus absolutely hated the exact thing the Iron Hands do (He literally sees a 40k Iron Hands ship during 30k and says he wants no part in the future it came from. Man got his wish, huh?) so he wouldn't mesh well with the rest of the chapter anymore.

 

For our 2 Traitor buddies, Horus was brought back already.

Yes, it was as a Clone, but he did come back. Abaddon curb-stomped him, so I can confidently say that Horus isn't returning to 40k because Abaddon IS 40k Horus.

 

Curze is more interesting tho, simply because we don't actually 100% know that he's dead.

Yes, an Assassin turned up to Merk him, but they also died in the process.

He is the easiest of the "Dead" Primarchs to return simply because, like Dorn, we don't actually have 100% concrete proof he snuffed it.

If GW decide they need Curze back they can just say "It turns out Curze had a change of heart at the last second, resisted his attempted self-destruction via Assassin at the last moment and has been lurking in the shadows of the Warp ever since, nursing his wounds and plotting his return..."

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

8 hours ago, MadGamerAK said:

The only way I would be ok (ish) with Sanguinius coming back is if he way kind of like the Legion of the damned. He could just show up when they are desperate.

We already have that though 

[ZeroWolf]

6 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Lion and Guilliman met up in Arks of Omen tho, right?

He got a Rideshare from Dante and the Blood Angels to go see him.

 

Also, I see we've reached the "GW are bringing back the dead Primarchs" era of this primarch discussion thread.

 

For those of you saying Sanguinius is back, I'd like to point out that A) The Blood Angels are known for having weirdly specific visions in dire moments and B) we have a few examples of Primarchs being rather Warp compatible.

The warp is canonically where you go when you die in 40k (barring very specific exceptions), so Sangy's Spirit having a chat to his sons via Near Death experiance isn't too out of the question for a very Warp compatible being having their Warp infused soul yeeted into the Warp via death. If we get a 40k Sangy model, I'm expecting it to be more like the Ynncarne than Lion or Guilliman, where it only manifests during a battle because he's a Literal Warp Spirit that's being summoned by his Sons going nuts and seeing that Horus Duel on repeat (also, could add another counter to the "Big E is a Warp God" track, since this would give him a proper "Daemon Primarch" to go with Saint Celestine the named Daemon Prince. All we need now are Legion of the Damned for battleline and a Dove-based Nurgling equivalent...)

 

For Ferrus Manus, he is turbo dead. Not even any hints he's back in anyway.

However, there was some old Lore that the Iron Hands built a Robo-Ferrus Manus, right? I could be wrong there, but I see that repeated a bunch. IMO tho, we should instead look to our old friend, the "Big E is a Warp God"  Conspiracy Theory! Where better to put your turbo-dead headless primarch than the Emperor's Legion of Undead Flaming Ghost Marines! Seriously tho, bringing back Ferrus "properly" ruins the Iron Hands more so than bringing back Sanguinius, since we know full well that Ferrus absolutely hated the exact thing the Iron Hands do (He literally sees a 40k Iron Hands ship during 30k and says he wants no part in the future it came from. Man got his wish, huh?) so he wouldn't mesh well with the rest of the chapter anymore.

 

For our 2 Traitor buddies, Horus was brought back already.

Yes, it was as a Clone, but he did come back. Abaddon curb-stomped him, so I can confidently say that Horus isn't returning to 40k because Abaddon IS 40k Horus.

 

Curze is more interesting tho, simply because we don't actually 100% know that he's dead.

Yes, an Assassin turned up to Merk him, but they also died in the process.

He is the easiest of the "Dead" Primarchs to return simply because, like Dorn, we don't actually have 100% concrete proof he snuffed it.

If GW decide they need Curze back they can just say "It turns out Curze had a change of heart at the last second, resisted his attempted self-destruction via Assassin at the last moment and has been lurking in the shadows of the Warp ever since, nursing his wounds and plotting his return..."

Yeah...Roboute actually had nothing to do with Arks of Omen other than the very beginning where he orders them investigated. The lion met Dante in the Son of the Forest book which then flows directly into the last Arks book. The end of which saw him link back up with the Dark Angels and lead them away.

 

As of current writing, the two returned loyalist primarchs have not as much shared any dialogue with each other. I would have hoped we would have had one book about it by now. It's been left so long it might be the end-of-tenth campaign books where it actually happens.

[Karhedron]

8 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Curze is more interesting tho, simply because we don't actually 100% know that he's dead.

Yes, an Assassin turned up to Merk him, but they also died in the process.

He is the easiest of the "Dead" Primarchs to return simply because, like Dorn, we don't actually have 100% concrete proof he snuffed it.

If GW decide they need Curze back they can just say "It turns out Curze had a change of heart at the last second, resisted his attempted self-destruction via Assassin at the last moment and has been lurking in the shadows of the Warp ever since, nursing his wounds and plotting his return..."

 

I am pretty sure one of the NL novels covered this. The Night Lords killed the Assassin while she was escaping carrying Curze's severed head so he is at least as dead as Ferrus.

[firestorm40k]

As I've said before, we'll get the surviving Primarchs back - both Loyalist and Traitor. I don't think we'll see the Traitors outnumbering the Loyalists, either - if GW wanted to keep a '2:1' ratio, we wouldn't be talking rumours of Russ' return for the end of 20th.

 

And for the narrative around each return, I'm still convinced that we'll see confrontations that didn't take place during the Heresy, as that's been the pattern so far; if the talk of Russ returning after Fulgrim is true, that for me confirms the pattern. 

 

That rules out a Dorn/Perturabo re- match (unfortunately ), but I can honestly see Dorn being the next Loyalist after Russ (due to popularity /prominence in lore of the Imperial Fists, Black Templars etc). Which begs who'd he be against? 

 

I actually think a narrative that has him confronting Lorgar would make sense, given the ironic contrast between the religious zeal of the Black Templars, and the heretical devotion of the Word Bearers. Lorgar leads a new Chaos 'crusade' from the Great Rift, which is met by a Crusade of Templars and Fists (and other successors) when Dorn returns. 

 

What about the others? I think Perturabo v Vulkan, who is then aided by a returned Khan, would make for an interesting narrative: perhaps Vulkan is seeking to forge a weapon that will aid his Sons in fighting back against the spread of the Rift, and Perturabo wants to either take it or destroy it; the Iron Warriors unite behind Perturabo to besiege the Salamander and their allies under Vulkan's command. As the Iron Warriors prepare their final assaults, their forces are suddenly attacked in hit-and-run strikes, slowing their advance. Perturabo advances undetered, and as he thinks he is about to crush Vulkan, the Khan intervenes with the White Scars and their successors. 

 

Finally, I think less straight-forward, and probably with the potential for a more interesting, slow-burn narrative, would be a confrontation between Corax and Omegon. Like a long form, shadowy game of Chess, where subterfuge from the forces of Chaos is undercut by the same from a mysterious faction within the Imperium, and vice-versa. Culminating in a reveal where it's these returned Primarchs who are the guiding hand on each side. It'd just be interesting to see two Primarchs who always took a more 'from the shadows' approach to warfare pitting their wits (and assets) against each other. 

 

Of all the Primarchs, although I'm most keen on Dorn’s return (seeing as my Marines are Fists successors, and I have Fists for Heresy), from a model point of view I'd love to see what they do with 'daemon' Corax. I can imagine him in a flowing cloak, the suggestion of shadows emanating like warp-touched mist, and a hood that covers part of his face (with little warp-touched details such as feathers and bird claws only just visible). 

[Tacitus]

On 12/24/2024 at 6:00 AM, ZeroWolf said:

I think Abaddon is the Horus stand in (he's already killed a clone Horus afterall). 

 

However the people saying GW will stop after 4-5 primarchs have a lot more faith in them showing restraint than I do  the people making the decisions will be looking at it like: Primarchs = Money. It'll be very hard to leave that on the table.

Abbadon isn't big enough.  I don't mean in the fluff, I mean the model is physically too small (and should be - even the largest Space Marine was puny compared to Horus, etc.)

 

And I don't think its going to be re-straint, I think its going to be re-boot.  They're going to get a handful of Primarchs out there, then the design paradigm is going to go away from the big central model into action poses, or ranked up uniformity, or whatever other style is next.  What that means for the Primarchs that would have returned to the world, who knows.  Maybe Bobby G gets a head cold and returns to stasis because the Lion disappeared after a book fell on his head, Angron gets sent back to the warp, Morty has a feud with Nurgle etc and basically everyone goes back to offscreen status quo...  Or maybe they just get abandoned so nobody outside of the Black Library wants to use them.  I don't know. 

[Tacitus]

On 12/25/2024 at 3:08 AM, TheArtilleryman said:

Although I’m not really that keen on primarchs in 40K, I would be OK with the return of Dorn, Russ, Corax, Khan, Vulkan (he’s a perpetual after all, so has the most plausible reason for returning), Perturabo and Lorgar. Also Omegon, because I don’t think (?) he’s proven dead. In fact, can we even be sure that Dorn killed Alpharius? The thing with the AL is you’re never sure who you’re talking to.

 

I would not support the return of Horus, Sanguinius, Ferrus Manus, Curze. If you’re dead, you’re dead, as far as I’m concerned and Horus and Sanguinius in particular need to stay dead. Their deaths are such a pivotal iconic part of the lore that the whole universe hinges upon that I just think it would be a terribly sad cash-in to bring them back.

 

What I’m really scared of is GW doing a whole “End Times” thing and turning the whole 40K universe upside down like they did with AoS. Kinda feels like we are in that kind of territory narrative-wise at the moment.

Meh, I think there's bringing them back, and there's direct resurrection.  I've seen one theory where the final gift from Vulcan is a Ferrus Mannus  Super Walker Dread containing Ferrus' consciousness.  Ferus made it, Vulcan secured it - against the possibility of Ferrus's death.

 

Cawl growing a brand new Horus. Not a clone, not a resurrection, a new one.  And again Nature vs Nurture is interrupted before Horus gets a chance to "decide" on his own.  With Nature vs Nurture being brought up, that's also the time to grow a new Sanguinius.  They're the only two being grown (at an accelerated rate - Cawl may have more Primarchs hidden away as a failsafe against a death) they grow up thick as theives brothers, practically as close as twins, one goes good, one goes evil, nobody gets to point to nature or nurture (which was a theme in the original primarch story so we can bring it out for a reunion tour) the question is, which one goes good, which one goes evil?  Yeah you probably keep it the same, but how wacky would flipping them both be? 

 

I still say the toughest one to bring back is Curze.

[Tacitus]

On 12/26/2024 at 8:58 AM, ZeroWolf said:

It's also an assumption that GW keep the 2:1 ratio, i suspect in the search for more money, that'll be quietly ditched. Again though, we've got plenty of time for many of these theories to be tested. If they do bring back everyone, I'll have plenty of practice painting them when Sanguinius comes out in 2041 with the end of 14th edition 

What makes anyone think the 2:1 ratio was anything but story difficulty?  The Daemon Primarchs (mostly) aren't dead, and aren't doing anything.  Oh Angron comes out to play on Armageddon every so often before being banished by a new crop of Grey Knights  Other than that its all ego projects.  Lorgar is on the 4598th edit review of his next book. When he's not hiding from Corax.  Perturabo is oiling his next mouse trap.  The others were similar.  They were the easiest.  The Loyalists had to be located, and "extracted" from whatever they were doing.  Guilliman was the easiest to "locate" - the Lion is second easiest.   They were in very specific locations.  Russ, Corax and The Khan are next - but not nearly as simple as the first two.

[Tacitus]

On 12/26/2024 at 5:40 PM, Indy Techwisp said:

 

 

For our 2 Traitor buddies, Horus was brought back already.

Yes, it was as a Clone, but he did come back. Abaddon curb-stomped him, so I can confidently say that Horus isn't returning to 40k because Abaddon IS 40k Horus.

 

Curze is more interesting tho, simply because we don't actually 100% know that he's dead.

Yes, an Assassin turned up to Merk him, but they also died in the process.

He is the easiest of the "Dead" Primarchs to return simply because, like Dorn, we don't actually have 100% concrete proof he snuffed it.

If GW decide they need Curze back they can just say "It turns out Curze had a change of heart at the last second, resisted his attempted self-destruction via Assassin at the last moment and has been lurking in the shadows of the Warp ever since, nursing his wounds and plotting his return..."

You're arguing fluff not models.  GW Prints the Black library first, models second, but they do it to sell more models first, books second.  As I mentioned in another reply I think Horus comes back (in some form) because Abby isn't physically big enough.  Primarchs are about the big, central, attention-grabbing, theme-setting, center-piece model.

 

Curze is just about the only one they can't "Un-Fake" his death.  The whole schtick was that Curze foresaw his own death (which made him more than a little batty) and while he could have stopped the assassin, he chose not to so that his vision remained correct and true.  Horus is in here too.  Even Sanguinius can be explained with hand-waiving and "The long Plan of the Emperor".  Maybe it can't be explained WELL, but it can be explained.  And they have time to come up with something better.

 

As for Dorn's rivlary, I suspect this is where they close the loop...

 

Magnus arrives, Bobby G arrives - they contest but do not really rival.

Morty arrives.  Bobby G and Morty are rivals (themed around toughness/survival)

Angron Arrives old rival BA deliver new rival Lion to face off.  (themed around mindless rage vs ice cool self control)

Russ vs Fulgrim arrives.  Hairy Bestial bellicosity vs sneering superiority.

Dorn arrives as Templar Primus his entire legion having lost access to their Librarius, and now often crusading against the Warp Dweller and the Warp Abuser we have.., Magnus.  The Defender of Terra vs the Webway Infiltrator.  Pick your rivalry poison these two have been aimed at each other for a while. 

[LSM]

On 12/26/2024 at 8:40 PM, Indy Techwisp said:

...For Ferrus Manus, he is turbo dead. Not even any hints he's back in anyway.

However, there was some old Lore that the Iron Hands built a Robo-Ferrus Manus, right? I could be wrong there, but I see that repeated a bunch...

 

Some bits from the Iron Hands' Index Astartes article (2001), which IIRC is where him dying at Isstvan V first came from:

 

"What became of the great Primarch Ferrus remains a mystery. It is known that when the Legions showed their true colours, he realised his impending doom and attacked the traitors with renewed fury, so desperate was he to face Horus. The number of the Iron Hands were few, however, and they alone were not enough to back up Ferrus's attack, though they died trying. The Iron Hands have never forgiven the Salamanders or the Ravenguard for failing to follow his lead. They believe that had they done so, Horus would have fallen, triggering the collapse of the forces of Chaos. The body of Ferrus was never found, however, and many believe he somehow survived. One particular story is that his wrecked body was rescued and restored, and that he took refuge on Mars where he resides still, though this is violently refuted by the Iron Hands themselves."

 

...

 

"The anger and hatred that the Iron Hands feel towards weakness grows daily. They are increasingly doubtful of the strength and worth of their brother Chapters, becoming resigned to the fact that they alone can stamp out the deficiencies that they see besetting humanity from all sides. They perceive weakness in everything around them, and prepare for the day when Ferrus will at last return to them; that time when they will stand firm with their Primarch in the final reunification of Mankind.

 

"According to their Scriptures, the moment the Emperor fell, the psychic shockwave was felt with such intensity that it reached Ferrus, even though he had left the realm of Man. An image of Ferrus appeared before his Legion, and his anguish and despair was unimaginable. It is said that this apparition spoke of his fears for Mankind. He spoke of a great calamity, a darkness that would assail humanity at some unforeseen moment in the future, and his promise that he would be there to lead humanity through its trials of darkness. Amongst the Iron Hands it is taught that he ascended to an unearthly paradise realm where he fights eternally, becoming ever stronger. And so it is said that Ferrus Manus left the world of Man, preparing for the time when he is required again, that Time of Darkness when his light is needed most of all."

 

Of course, the Black Templars IA article said that Ferrus (and Corax) backed Guilliman against Dorn, Vulcan, and Russ when Roboute tried to implement the Codex, so lore was changing pretty rapidly at that point. And the Horus Heresy novel series then made it official: Fulgrim took his head, and broke apart his armour to make the breastplate that he briefly wears in Angel Exterminatus (with the mosaic of a double headed eagle, its necks broken. Which he wears with a cloak of Raven Guard feathers over one shoulder and Salamander mantles over the other).

[ZeroWolf]

6 hours ago, LSM said:

 

Some bits from the Iron Hands' Index Astartes article (2001), which IIRC is where him dying at Isstvan V first came from:

 

"What became of the great Primarch Ferrus remains a mystery. It is known that when the Legions showed their true colours, he realised his impending doom and attacked the traitors with renewed fury, so desperate was he to face Horus. The number of the Iron Hands were few, however, and they alone were not enough to back up Ferrus's attack, though they died trying. The Iron Hands have never forgiven the Salamanders or the Ravenguard for failing to follow his lead. They believe that had they done so, Horus would have fallen, triggering the collapse of the forces of Chaos. The body of Ferrus was never found, however, and many believe he somehow survived. One particular story is that his wrecked body was rescued and restored, and that he took refuge on Mars where he resides still, though this is violently refuted by the Iron Hands themselves."

 

...

 

"The anger and hatred that the Iron Hands feel towards weakness grows daily. They are increasingly doubtful of the strength and worth of their brother Chapters, becoming resigned to the fact that they alone can stamp out the deficiencies that they see besetting humanity from all sides. They perceive weakness in everything around them, and prepare for the day when Ferrus will at last return to them; that time when they will stand firm with their Primarch in the final reunification of Mankind.

 

"According to their Scriptures, the moment the Emperor fell, the psychic shockwave was felt with such intensity that it reached Ferrus, even though he had left the realm of Man. An image of Ferrus appeared before his Legion, and his anguish and despair was unimaginable. It is said that this apparition spoke of his fears for Mankind. He spoke of a great calamity, a darkness that would assail humanity at some unforeseen moment in the future, and his promise that he would be there to lead humanity through its trials of darkness. Amongst the Iron Hands it is taught that he ascended to an unearthly paradise realm where he fights eternally, becoming ever stronger. And so it is said that Ferrus Manus left the world of Man, preparing for the time when he is required again, that Time of Darkness when his light is needed most of all."

 

Of course, the Black Templars IA article said that Ferrus (and Corax) backed Guilliman against Dorn, Vulcan, and Russ when Roboute tried to implement the Codex, so lore was changing pretty rapidly at that point. And the Horus Heresy novel series then made it official: Fulgrim took his head, and broke apart his armour to make the breastplate that he briefly wears in Angel Exterminatus (with the mosaic of a double headed eagle, its necks broken. Which he wears with a cloak of Raven Guard feathers over one shoulder and Salamander mantles over the other).

In addition, I want to say Dorn reclaimed the skull (as Horus had taken to talking to it) at the end of TEatD part 3. God knows where it ended up then.

[Morovir]

If I remember correctly, it was returned to the Iron Hands in return for them accepting the Codex Astartes (per Nick Kyme's Rebirth), and then it was kept in the centre of a maze at the heart of the Eye of Medusa guarded by a Helfather (rumoured in-universe, per David Guymer's Eye of Medusa).

[SWORD BROTHER RYAN]

According to the HH book Old Earth, the Iron Hands got ahold of one of Ferrus Manus' arms after his body was hacked to pieces in the aftermath of the Dropsite Massacre on Isstvan V. Even then, it was missing a finger (hacked off and turned into a small knife that could cut through almost anything by another traitor), and the increasingly desperate IH Iron Fathers crafted a simulacrum of Manus to force the serving war leader out. This deception was uncovered by Vulcan as he was essentially passing through between webway sections on his way to Terra.

 

Yes, the head was gifted to Horus by Fulgrim after the massacre, and recovered back into Imperial hands following the death of Horus. However, many point to the primarchs pseudo reappearance in the battle in the webway during the HH book Master of Mankind, and the fact in The End and the Death Vol II, another apperition of the X Primarch leads Sanguinius through the warped maze of the Vengeful Spirit to face Horus, saying that the dead had returned to watch what happened.

 

McGuffins aside, he's dead. His soul apparently is still kicking around (or was at least during the HH), and I won't rule out some kind of resurrection if GW REALLY wanted to. I guess the same could be said for all the Primarchs.

 

Not trying to be a downer, but that's just what I've seen in the HH books (I have the whole main story arc, and have read them all several times).

 

As for Dorn... if they continue the series into The Scouring, well just have to see what truly becomes of him... and the rest of the living Primarchs on both sides.

[ZeroWolf]

To be fair, we do know of all the living primarchs on the Chaos side of things. It was only a few months ago there was fluff in White Dwarf of Perty doing a deal with Vashtorr (long, long, long shot- Vashtorr actually ascends to godhood, naming Iron Warriors as his specific Legion, necessitating Codex Iron Warriors which Perty can go in)

[SWORD BROTHER RYAN]

19 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

To be fair, we do know of all the living primarchs on the Chaos side of things. It was only a few months ago there was fluff in White Dwarf of Perty doing a deal with Vashtorr (long, long, long shot- Vashtorr actually ascends to godhood, naming Iron Warriors as his specific Legion, necessitating Codex Iron Warriors which Perty can go in)

 

Best of my knowledge, the living Chaos Primarchs are Fulgrim, Perturabo, Angron, Mortarion, Magnus, and Lorgar. Horus was killed by the Emperor, Dorn took out Alpharius (Omegon apparently fell during the scouring, but not sure) and Curze was killed by a Callidus Assassin.

[Karhedron]

45 minutes ago, SWORD BROTHER RYAN said:

 

Best of my knowledge, the living Chaos Primarchs are Fulgrim, Perturabo, Angron, Mortarion, Magnus, and Lorgar. Horus was killed by the Emperor, Dorn took out Alpharius (Omegon apparently fell during the scouring, but not sure) and Curze was killed by a Callidus Assassin.

 

Mostly right. One of the Alpha twins may still be about. The story of Guilliman killing Alpharius at Escrador was presented as in-Universe deception since the records appeared in the logs of the Inquisition but the UMs themselves denied knowledge of the battle. There is certainly scope for one of the twins to appear in the 40K setting. In fact some fans (including myself) suspect he already has....

 

Spoiler

In the Pariah series, the character Deathrow is revealed to be an Alpha Legion operative under cover. He even utters the usual "I am Alpharius" phrase. But we also get hints he is something more. On at least one occasion we see him effortlessly kill another Chaos Marine despite that Marine being fully armoured and equipped while he is still in his "civilian" disguise. 

 

[Rob P]

Just on the last post point. Completely agree that Omegon could still be alive. Alpharius is emphatically dead.

 

I'm not sure bringing Omegon onto the tabletop or as a legion leader does the game or the Alpha Legion any good.

[Tacitus]

On 12/30/2024 at 2:49 AM, SWORD BROTHER RYAN said:

if GW REALLY wanted to. I guess the same could be said for all the Primarchs.

 

That's pretty much the premise (I think) everyone is working off of.  They REALLY want to have a big Center Piece Model for everybody.  For SM it just makes sense to have it be something Primarch or Primarch Adjacent.  As near as I can tell the thrust of the discussion is on the difficulty in getting there. 

 

Edit to Add:  Well difficulty and order.  I wouldn't expect to see Dorn or Perty before we see whatever they're going to do for Sanguinius and Horus. 

Edited Wednesday at 05:13 PM by Tacitus