SWORD BROTHER RYAN Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 If Dorn comes back, I'd like to see him as the IF overall CDR, but with a special rule "Last Wall: Dorn can command any IF successor chapter", or something like that. Medjugorje 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6086358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Techwisp Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 13 hours ago, Medjugorje said: I think if he comes back - then with a golden armor and playable for IF AND BT AND CF Do Crimson Fists still have their one character in the codex? Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6086453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNicronomicon Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said: Do Crimson Fists still have their one character in the codex? We’ll just add Pedro when we add Dorn. Easy-peasy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6086454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Techwisp Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 6 hours ago, SWORD BROTHER RYAN said: If Dorn comes back, I'd like to see him as the IF overall CDR, but with a special rule "Last Wall: Dorn can command any IF successor chapter", or something like that. I feel if Dorn comes back he's going to be pushed as a Black Templars character first and a Codex Chapter character second. As such, I predict a rule somewhat like this: Primarch of the Imperial Fists If your army only contains Epic Heroes with the [Imperial Fists] chapter keyword, you may include this unit in your army as though it shared the Chapter Keyword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6086455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacitus Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Yes, Pedro is still around, Cortez is not AFAIK. I think if/when they bring him back the rules won't overtly favor Templars, but the fluff and model almost certainly will. I think he won't have the same wargear. None of the Loyalists so far have to prevent cross-over while the Daemon Primarchs occaisionally do keep one piece or two, but also have physical changes (wings, weapons and such). So I would not expect Dorn to show up in the Auric Armor with a big Chain Sword. I would expect to see him show up looking much more like a Gigantic super Emperor's Champion - probably a Black (Crusaders) armor with Red (CF) and Gold (IF) trim. He will have a new bolter (Maybe something like the Shoulder Mount that Tor Garradon has) and a power sword. He will also have some "piece" of the Emperor's panapoly - Guilliman has his sword, Lion has his shield, maybe Dorn gets a baroque Jump Pack with huge golden wings. Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6086498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNicronomicon Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 19 minutes ago, Tacitus said: Yes, Pedro is still around, Cortez is not AFAIK. I think if/when they bring him back the rules won't overtly favor Templars, but the fluff and model almost certainly will. I think he won't have the same wargear. None of the Loyalists so far have to prevent cross-over while the Daemon Primarchs occaisionally do keep one piece or two, but also have physical changes (wings, weapons and such). So I would not expect Dorn to show up in the Auric Armor with a big Chain Sword. I would expect to see him show up looking much more like a Gigantic super Emperor's Champion - probably a Black (Crusaders) armor with Red (CF) and Gold (IF) trim. He will have a new bolter (Maybe something like the Shoulder Mount that Tor Garradon has) and a power sword. He will also have some "piece" of the Emperor's panapoly - Guilliman has his sword, Lion has his shield, maybe Dorn gets a baroque Jump Pack with huge golden wings. Not to hijack the thread too much but what piece of the panoply do you think Russ will have? The Spear (though I think that counts as part of Russ's gear, not the Emperor's, right?)? Though the idea of Rogal Dorn with a jump pack is pretty funny to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6086499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacitus Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, TheNicronomicon said: Not to hijack the thread too much but what piece of the panoply do you think Russ will have? The Spear (though I think that counts as part of Russ's gear, not the Emperor's, right?)? Though the idea of Rogal Dorn with a jump pack is pretty funny to me. Possibly his claw. More likely something new that will be made up and "inserted" into history - potentially a cloak. TheNicronomicon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6086513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroWolf Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 See, I was thinking Dorn would have the claw (with bionics inside) to replace his lost hand. TheNicronomicon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6086566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArtilleryman Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 11 hours ago, TheNicronomicon said: Not to hijack the thread too much but what piece of the panoply do you think Russ will have? The Spear (though I think that counts as part of Russ's gear, not the Emperor's, right?)? After all the hassle Ragnar went through over that blimmin thing he’d better blimmin use the blimmin spear XD Seriously though, the 30k model doesn’t have the spear, so I see no reason he can’t have it in 40k, if crossover is an issue. Edited January 11 by TheArtilleryman ZeroWolf, TheNicronomicon and Karhedron 1 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6086567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacitus Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 hours ago, ZeroWolf said: See, I was thinking Dorn would have the claw (with bionics inside) to replace his lost hand. I was thinking Russ because of Bjorn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6086608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWORD BROTHER RYAN Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 The claw would make more sense for Dorn due to the missing hand, and the fact that his own sword was broken and used to make the Sword of the High Marshal for the BT. I could see Russ as using the spear he used against Horus, or maybe something like the Emperors Bolt Gun with some special ability. ZeroWolf and Medjugorje 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6086792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacitus Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, SWORD BROTHER RYAN said: The claw would make more sense for Dorn due to the missing hand, and the fact that his own sword was broken and used to make the Sword of the High Marshal for the BT. I could see Russ as using the spear he used against Horus, or maybe something like the Emperors Bolt Gun with some special ability. I suspect if he comes back, they retcon his hands. While it would be grim-dark to see your kids have been scratching their initials in the bones of your hands, to see them CONITNUE to do it would be pretty creepy. Best to just regrow or change the history there. Helias_Tancred and Rob P 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6086805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 1/11/2025 at 9:37 AM, ZeroWolf said: See, I was thinking Dorn would have the claw (with bionics inside) to replace his lost hand. The Emperors Claw. I like that idea ZeroWolf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6088410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat Igorus Posted Monday at 08:37 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:37 PM Hello, my brothers! What do you think of the Emperor's Champion's vision in the new novel "The Perfect Son" with Fulgrim? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6107139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat Igorus Posted Monday at 08:41 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:41 PM Hello my brother's ! What do you thinks of the Emperor's champion's vision in the new novel " The perfect son"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6107141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacitus Posted Monday at 09:48 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:48 PM Well I don't think Dorn is next. I think Russ is next, especially given how late in the process Space Wolves are. I imagine Fulgrim is going to go on a tear somewhere near The Eye, or Fenris or both (since they're so nearby) Dorn is probably 11th, and more probably more Templar than Fist but available for any of them. Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6107159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted Tuesday at 12:24 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:24 AM I just have never ascribed to the idea that a returned Dorn will be Templar flavored. You can find any lore rationalization you want but I just don't see it, even if templar have a bigger model presence than fists. I'm sure if released a lot of players will want to paint him black, but officially? nah. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6107172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacitus Posted Tuesday at 03:21 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:21 AM 2 hours ago, Marshal Reinhard said: I just have never ascribed to the idea that a returned Dorn will be Templar flavored. You can find any lore rationalization you want but I just don't see it, even if templar have a bigger model presence than fists. I'm sure if released a lot of players will want to paint him black, but officially? nah. I think he's Templar because Templar are part of the Loyalist "Big Five". Chaos have Black Legion, Children, Deathguard, Thousand Sons, and Worldeaters. The balance is Ultramarines, Wolves, Dark Angels, Blood Angels and... Templars provide a fifth subfaction with a codex/supplement. So I think he comes back and can obviously lead any of his legion chapters, but I think they fluff him and rules-nudge him to Templar. Potentially going so far as to make him the Super Duper Emperor's Champion Medjugorje and Inquisitor_Lensoven 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6107189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted Wednesday at 04:17 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:17 PM On 4/29/2025 at 5:21 AM, Tacitus said: I think he's Templar because Templar are part of the Loyalist "Big Five". Chaos have Black Legion, Children, Deathguard, Thousand Sons, and Worldeaters. The balance is Ultramarines, Wolves, Dark Angels, Blood Angels and... Templars provide a fifth subfaction with a codex/supplement. So I think he comes back and can obviously lead any of his legion chapters, but I think they fluff him and rules-nudge him to Templar. Potentially going so far as to make him the Super Duper Emperor's Champion in the Helbrecht novel there is a hint of that... then in the Fulgrim novel now as well AND even in WARHAWK they said that the emperors champion was Dorns name at first - then Dorn himself thought it would fit to sigismund too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6107464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted Wednesday at 05:24 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 05:24 PM I thought that Dorn's title was the Emperor's Praetorian, but I may be misremembering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6107474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted Wednesday at 05:57 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 05:57 PM I know. But in fact this are Dorns owns words in Warhawk. You are correct in terms of the Praetorian. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/384879-theory-of-rogal-dorns-return/page/4/#findComment-6107481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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