Would you like to see a dedicated 40k Badab War game setting?

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

As the title says. So this setting would be handled like the Horus Heresy game where you will have access to specified helmets and shoulder pads for your SM chapters. And of course various special characters and unique sculpts for those chapters. Do you think it would sell well?

[Cleon]

Honestly - I don't think it would and worst case would be another similar rules set to manage and the 'Marine only' setting is already HH.

 

Most people invested in Badab are going to mostly ignore it and keep using their FW books from when IA did Badab - unless you do new sculpts to the old FW scale.

[darkhorse0607]

I don't think it needs a full game system, IMO, GW would be too worried about it taking away from the Heresy and 40k. Plus I don't think we need another marine only conflict game

 

That being said, I do think a re-scaled MK7, and shoulder pads/transfers would sell, characters as well if they time it with a Black Library series about Badab which I'm still hoping for

[MARK0SIAN]

The Badab war is a really cool setting but I think it’s too niche to sustain its own game system. HH is primarily Marine V Marine but even there you’ve got 18 Legions to choose from who are not only much bigger than the chapters of the Badab war, they’re also the primogenitor Legions. All the big SM forces are there so there’s a draw for a lot of players. HH also has the biggest characters of the setting and is the defining moment in the timeline of the setting, it’s what makes the universe what it is 10,000 years later. The Badab war just doesn’t have that kind of weight. 

[HeadlessCross]

We just need updated rules for the characters we got from it. I've seen many a Tyberos conversion that doesn't get used on the table. 

[Robbienw]

Would be great.  
 

A vehicle for selling classic pre-great rift 40k again as its own thing.

[Sky Potato]

As others have said, it won’t need a game setting - but an updated campaign book would be cool. I’d probably prefer to use the Heresy rules over the 10th edition rules, but that’s my personal preference.

Tying it in with bringing the Badab characters back into production would be the most logical way of doing it. There’d be no point trying to build the Minotaurs without Asterion Moloc, for example. As others have mentioned, a rescaled Mk7 set would be great. If one does happen, hopefully GW make it compatible with the Heresy upgrade boxes for heavy weapons, special weapons, close combat weapons and the command sprues.

 

[One Paul Murray]

2 hours ago, Sky Potato said:

As others have said, it won’t need a game setting - but an updated campaign book would be cool. I’d probably prefer to use the Heresy rules over the 10th edition rules, but that’s my personal preference.

Tying it in with bringing the Badab characters back into production would be the most logical way of doing it. There’d be no point trying to build the Minotaurs without Asterion Moloc, for example. As others have mentioned, a rescaled Mk7 set would be great. If one does happen, hopefully GW make it compatible with the Heresy upgrade boxes for heavy weapons, special weapons, close combat weapons and the command sprues.

 

This would seem to be the obvious way to play it. You would only need a handful of special characters and some unit restrictions to cover the changes to force organisation post-heresy.

 

It would be good as a special campaign and as an excuse to make some cool looking models, but I'm not sure that it has the legs to do it as a full game system. The only defining features would seem to be that it would demand models that aren't in production (but that people probably have loads of) and it has fewer options then any of the other game systems GW run.

[Wormwoods]

We already have an Oops! All Marines! game, we probably don't need another. Just get some friends together and do a Crusade with themed lists and all the old firstborn you can scrounge. 

[ThaneOfTas]

As it's own system no, but as a spin off of Heresy I could see it working.

[Redcomet]

I don’t think it will sell enough to warrant anything except a single campaign book. 
Honestly if Gw re release the FW books digitally it would be enough.

If you want miniatures to be made alongside, you would be more likely to get it, if they made a The Second Badab War type book for the current timeline. About Huron returning home to conquer 

[Wormwoods]

59 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

If you want miniatures to be made alongside, you would be more likely to get it, if they made a The Second Badab War type book for the current timeline. About Huron returning home to conquer 

Articles of Even Juster Succession. 

[Felix Antipodes]

I could see it working as a one-off campaign box with an update of the IA books, but not as a separate line.  I can’t see GW going for it though, as they would have to update the MK VII armour and I just don’t see them opening the whole firstborn/primaris can of worms that would inevitably follow.

[apologist]

I think themed releases of this sort could fit in well to help expand the universe, and give narrative campaigns a proper place. Rather than trying to fit half a dozen factions into the six month window, you release a box with the 40k rules, a booklet of the storyline, and an 'Historical events' booklet that gives you and a friend a basic progressive ladder campaign.

 

It's a model that they've used for previous boxes, now I look into it: Tooth and Claw, Forgebane etc., though what I'm picturing is more of a standalone 'big box' release along the lines of Dark Imperium or Indomitus, with box-specific models, rather than the largely re-use boxes.

 

A Warhammer 40,000: The Badab War box would be a mid-edition release that put a lot of emphasis on the storyline and campaign booklet, rather than the new game edition. You'd have sufficient models to learn the game by playing through the first three 'historical missions', while the concluding battle(s) would require further purchases. To support this mid-edition box, there'd be a standard-sized release for both sides, which in the case of Badab War would be (e.g.):

• Mark VII Tactical Squad box
• Half a dozen Forgeworld characters – Huron, Culln, Blaylock etc.
• A sprue of shoulder pads compatible with HH models.
• Splash-release box/blister of Cadian-compatible upgrade pack for Tyrants' Legion.

 

But further than this, the model's a great opportunity for digging into famous conflicts, and thereby recreating a sense of setting rather than a cast of unkillable characters. To show what I mean, assume we had a Warhammer 40,000: The Second Armageddon War box that included a character who canonically dies in the war. They'd have rules, and you could use the character elsewhere, but you could have a proper story arc with (e.g.) Ugulhard being struck down, and Commissar Yarrick being just a cool one-off character, rather than having to be a permanent part of the Guard Codex.

 

The same applies for (say) Hivefleet Kraken and Craftworld Iyanden – you'd get the opportunity to dive into Iyanden Craftworld and Hivefleet Kraken, with upgrade sprues for each, and new releases for the generic parent faction. I think because they'd include new sculpts and work almost as standalone boardgames, they'd be a bit more appealing than the current model of campaign books that are separate from the continuing releases.

 

Seems a win-win approach to me. 

[Sky Potato]

2 hours ago, apologist said:

I think themed releases of this sort could fit in well to help expand the universe, and give narrative campaigns a proper place. Rather than trying to fit half a dozen factions into the six month window, you release a box with the 40k rules, a booklet of the storyline, and an 'Historical events' booklet that gives you and a friend a basic progressive ladder campaign.

 

It's a model that they've used for previous boxes, now I look into it: Tooth and Claw, Forgebane etc., though what I'm picturing is more of a standalone 'big box' release along the lines of Dark Imperium or Indomitus, with box-specific models, rather than the largely re-use boxes.

 

A Warhammer 40,000: The Badab War box would be a mid-edition release that put a lot of emphasis on the storyline and campaign booklet, rather than the new game edition. You'd have sufficient models to learn the game by playing through the first three 'historical missions', while the concluding battle(s) would require further purchases. To support this mid-edition box, there'd be a standard-sized release for both sides, which in the case of Badab War would be (e.g.):

• Mark VII Tactical Squad box
• Half a dozen Forgeworld characters – Huron, Culln, Blaylock etc.
• A sprue of shoulder pads compatible with HH models.
• Splash-release box/blister of Cadian-compatible upgrade pack for Tyrants' Legion.

 

But further than this, the model's a great opportunity for digging into famous conflicts, and thereby recreating a sense of setting rather than a cast of unkillable characters. To show what I mean, assume we had a Warhammer 40,000: The Second Armageddon War box that included a character who canonically dies in the war. They'd have rules, and you could use the character elsewhere, but you could have a proper story arc with (e.g.) Ugulhard being struck down, and Commissar Yarrick being just a cool one-off character, rather than having to be a permanent part of the Guard Codex.

 

The same applies for (say) Hivefleet Kraken and Craftworld Iyanden – you'd get the opportunity to dive into Iyanden Craftworld and Hivefleet Kraken, with upgrade sprues for each, and new releases for the generic parent faction. I think because they'd include new sculpts and work almost as standalone boardgames, they'd be a bit more appealing than the current model of campaign books that are separate from the continuing releases.

 

Seems a win-win approach to me. 

Very similar to what happened in 7th with campaign books like the Devastation of Baal.
 

There was a Blood Angels Death Company box set, 3 campaign books, unique characters…

[Marshal Mittens]

I think we will see other war settings after HH is flushed out.

 

I think Badab war would be very popular, if the system is designed to play well and not by marketing to sell toys. 

Edited Thursday at 06:35 PM by Marshal Mittens

[Robbienw]

GW exists to make money from selling large amounts of models.

 

A refreshed line of classic MK7 marines and marine vehicles in a similar format to 30K releases (just a bit more emphasis on infantry) would obviously sell large amounts.

 

GW always eventually revisits past popular model lines and factions.

 

Its pretty much guaranteed to happen at some point in the future.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 06:48 PM by Robbienw

[siegfriedfr]

I think the future for Horus Heresy model range will be in plug-ins like the Great Crusade, the War of the Beast, Badab war, and maybe new settings involving more of the Eldar, Drukhari, Exodites (?), Corsairs...

 

The point is, they need to sell those models for the next 20 years, and they will eventually stop supporting the Horus Heresy.

Edited Friday at 11:42 AM by siegfriedfr

[Uprising]

Badab war is the single best piece of lore created by Games workshop.  I would love to get a setting / game in that setting.  

[Helbrechts_Sword_Servitor]

They should release a campaign book for it when phasing out the last firstborn marines. Then people would be able to use them wholesale in that game.

[Timberley]

To be honest, I can't see a specific game for Badab War, but as others have mentioned I can see a sort of campaign book that uses one of the game systems.  If this was the case, I can see the HH system being the obvious choice, as campaigns like Badab appeal more to the wargamer that enjoys the granularity of that system. 

 

It's a shame the Imperial Armour books aren't around any more, as they had a couple of Badab War books.  I still have my Taros Campaign book (Imperials vs T'au and the introduction of the Elysians) on my shelf; it's a great tome of lore, as well as game scenarios.  If they made a 3rd Edition of the majority of those books (Taros, Vraks, Anphelion, Badab, etc.) and updated the game side to be in line with the HH system, I think that'd be perfect.

[W.A.Rorie]

2 of my Favorite Chapters served in the Badab War, Raptors and Exorcists. So having a game based around it, may sound cool but I don't think it would be beneficial as it is more marine on marine action. War of the Beast or the Great Crusade/ Great Scouring are better options, like others have said as more forces outside of marines can be played.

 

What would be nice is setting up the Badab War as a Necromunda style game, where each of the Chapters got specific rules, and you had multiple options to build a team. Unlike Kill Team, where your army options is locked.

 

What I think will happen is we will get a campaign book for Legion Imperials

[ZeroWolf]

A expansion for LI (or even Battlefield Gothic if the rumours about its resurrection turn out to be true) would help GW side step the thorny issue of Mk7 vs Primaris which i think they're on purposely running from.

[Evil Eye]

Whilst I'm not sure a full standalone system needs to be made, having HH expanded into a "historical battles" game for 40K, with updates of Mk.7 and Castraferrum dreadnoughts and support for Xenos would be very nice, and the Badab War would be the perfect jumping off point for pushing beyond the Heresy itself- in fact it'd actually get me back into modern GW rules if they did that. They could pull a TOW and release new kits where appropriate whilst reissuing older sculpts to fill gaps.

[Remain_Indoors]

On 1/2/2025 at 5:42 AM, ThaneOfTas said:

As it's own system no, but as a spin off of Heresy I could see it working.

An expansion to Heresy I could see, but as a standalone game yeah I think it’d be largely redundant.