Platoon Command Squad and Platoon Infantry Squads gone.

[Wormwoods]

49 minutes ago, sairence said:

I'd be highly surprised if there wasn't a follow up release at some point that includes a new Foot Marshall and possibly generic horse leader. Just not now.

You say this, but I'm still waiting for a generic Stealth Suit and/or Pathfinder character. The curse of the Named Character Only Option will continue.

[The Pounder]

@sairence, I hope you’re right. I’d like to go all in Krieg so would need more than this to flesh out a force.

[Emperor Ming]

5 hours ago, AutumnEffect said:

This guy's obviously the Lord Commissar but I haven't read anything anywhere about a Junior Commissar.

Its just a commissar cadet to be precise

[AutumnEffect]

10 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

Its just a commissar cadet to be precise

 

Can someone point me to where this has been confirmed?

As I said before, I haven't seen anything stating such.
There's nothing Commissarial about that guy besides the peaked cap. Commissars don't wear the regimental uniforms or armor of the regiment they are attached to, they have always been shown to have black greatcoats. This guy having a complete death korps uniform but being a Commissar would be bizarre.

 

Unless there's a statement from GW saying he's a Commissar (which I can't find), I'm telling you guys that he's an Officer.
Some people didn't believe me about the generic Infantry and Command squads going away either...

Edited January 8 by AutumnEffect

[Emperor Ming]

That info is on the article about that kreig command squad

 

and I agree, that model is confusing

 

a member of the Departmento Munitorum even on the cadet level, should not be wearing anything that even resembles a regiment uniform. 

 

Whoever painted him should have probably done his uniform in black and red, that would have saved alot of confusion

[AutumnEffect]

3 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

That info is on the article about that kreig command squad

 

Show me.

 

I linked a Screencap of the info on that squad. It says nothing about a junior commissar. 

There is nothing in that article at all about any commissar other than the Lord Commissar.

 

I think that you should go read the article again.

Edited January 8 by AutumnEffect

[Emperor Ming]

12 minutes ago, AutumnEffect said:

 

Show me.

 

I linked a Screencap of the info on that squad. It says nothing about a junior commissar.

 

I think that you should go read the article again.

Cadet

[AutumnEffect]

1 minute ago, Emperor Ming said:

Cadet

 

I just don't know what to say at this point other than to ask if I'm getting gaslit or something.

[DemonGSides]

I don't really care about Ming's trolling, what I'm wondering is if you can take the DKoK command WITHOUT the Commisar or if it's Company of Heroes style where he has to show up.

 

The idea of 3 Lord Commissars hits me the wrong way. I'm hoping it's an add on or separate datasheet that can be included if you want. 

[apologist]

The wording is admittedly vague, and the overlapping nature of Death Korps uniforms/Commisar clothing means it's further muddied – but for what it's worth, I think that the box contains a complete five man Command Squad including a Krieg Officer, plus a Commissar Lord:

 

 

From left to right: Lord Commissar; vox guy; Krieg Officer; medical orderly; standard bearer; special weapon/veteran trooper.

 

Seeing them all together in context helps clarify – details like puttees, pinned-back coat, and similar shoulder pads to the rest of the squad; together lack of epaulettes and sash, and non-black colour scheme makes it fairly clear to me that the model in question is a Krieg officer, not a Commissar cadet/Junior commissar etc.

 

I can see where the confusion comes from, though. The accompanying text does imply that the Lord Commissar is leading the squad because officers have become casualties, but I think that's just marketing 'colour text'.

 

In game terms, I suspect that the inclusion of the Commissar will be optional. I think it's a cool inclusion – very fitting for the sort-of-not-quite penal legion attitude of the Krieg – and it's a neat way to sneak in a 'bonus' character release, which would otherwise likely have been bumped in favour of the normal Commissar. A nice use of sprue space to add some character and further options.

 

(Hopefully the Catachan equivalent has a fragged Commissar corpse! :D)

[Galron]

So my Praetorian infantry army and my mechanized infantry armies are kind of shot now. I guess I will just repaint the base rims and bring 3 squads of 6 of each group and try and remember blue rims are cadian, red rims are catachan and green rims are death korps or something along those lines and have a few extra for something else I guess. Really screws up my mech list though as having that lascannon in the firing deck of the chimera was ace more than a few times. I have enough regular dudes to fill in the slots since they got rid of vets last edition, but deployment is going to be even rougher now since thats 6 more large based squads that need to be on the board and able to fire turn 1 in an already filled up deployment zone. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Is anyone else getting a 404 error for the article with the krieg command squad reveal?

[DemonGSides]

No. 

[AutumnEffect]

3 hours ago, apologist said:

The wording is admittedly vague

 

It's probably because I'm a bit annoyed at having done the leg work of pulling up said article half a dozen times to try and find any mention of 'Junior Commissar' or 'Cadet Commissar' and found nothing but was still being argued with what amounted to 'nu-uh' and nothing from the article that everyone was saying it obviously was in, but I have to say;

 

There really wasn't anything even vaguely confusing about the text, even putting aside the context clues on the miniature itself.

 

If you seriously thought that the miniature in question isn't a Krieg Officer then you need to call someone about increasing funding for your local education system because they did you dirty in reading comprehension and critical thinking.

Edited January 8 by AutumnEffect

[DemonGSides]

3 minutes ago, AutumnEffect said:

 

It's probably because I'm a bit annoyed at having done the leg work of pulling up said article half a dozen times to try and find any mention of 'Junior Commissar' or 'Cadet Commissar' and found nothing but was still being argued with what amounted to 'nu-uh' and nothing from the article that everyone was saying it obviously was in, but I have to say;

 

There really wasn't anything even vaguely confusing about the text, even putting aside the context clues on the miniature itself.

 

If you seriously thought that the miniature in question isn't a Krieg Officer then you need to call someone about increasing funding for your local education system because they did  you dirty in reading comprehension and critical thinking.

 

There's a certain level of engagement that some posters put into the boards and it's always sad when they are allowed to muck up thread but whenever someone calls them out, the call-out gets deleted and meanwhile the trash is left.

 

Priorities can be crazy sometimes. 

[Indy Techwisp]

32 minutes ago, AutumnEffect said:

 

It's probably because I'm a bit annoyed at having done the leg work of pulling up said article half a dozen times to try and find any mention of 'Junior Commissar' or 'Cadet Commissar' and found nothing but was still being argued with what amounted to 'nu-uh' and nothing from the article that everyone was saying it obviously was in, but I have to say;

 

There really wasn't anything even vaguely confusing about the text, even putting aside the context clues on the miniature itself.

 

If you seriously thought that the miniature in question isn't a Krieg Officer then you need to call someone about increasing funding for your local education system because they did you dirty in reading comprehension and critical thinking.

 

Hello.

It's not mentioned in the Article, but it was stated during the Warhammer Preview Stream.

That is a Commissar Cadet, not a Krieg Officer.

 

Edit: This was discussed in the Original preview stream thread during the TOW portion of the stream and was moved to the "Kreig Boxset" thread afterwards.

Edited January 8 by Indy Techwisp

[AutumnEffect]

2 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Hello.

It's not mentioned in the Article, but it was stated during the Warhammer Preview Stream.

That is a Commissar Cadet, not a Krieg Officer.

Hello.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

11 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

That's a Junior Commissar, not an Officer.

Says so in the article.

Indy, your posts always have an air of condescension about them, but I need to inform you that you have to actually be smart before you can be a smartass.

[Indy Techwisp]

2 minutes ago, AutumnEffect said:

Hello.

Thank you for proving my point.

Indy, your posts always have an air of condescension about them, but I need to inform you that you have to actually be smart before you can be a smartass.

 

Hello.

My second post was intended as a correction to my initial one.

Apologies if it didn't come across as such.

[OldWherewolf]

I'm really stoked by both preview articles the more I think about it

 

• Catachans: scout + Advance + MMM + [Assault] is a heck of a turn 1 "box your opponent in their DZ"
• the re-rolls of 1s on Hits & Wounds on the Catachan HWTs is a nightmare
• krieg HWTs  move + shoot + overwatch + SHOOT AGAIN ON A 3+!!!   That's going to be sooooo busted!
• The ignores cover on the new detachment seriously boosts all the AP1 we have in the army.  I'm thinking legions of LRBTs & Rogal Dorns, and Exterminators become GOLD.
• Harker gets put on a 50mm base with an "ammo runt" and now he's a catachan HWT. 

 

• The "cover" on cadians is.... iffy.  there's so much cover already, and so much stuff that just ignores/removes cover makes that ability "meh". 
• The overwatch hitting on 4s is a meme, as we have to have the CP and want to overwatch the turn they are getting picked up.  If they could count as having a Vox Caster while near the platoon, that would work be worth it

 

Lots of possibilities on the way! 

[DemonGSides]

9 minutes ago, OldWherewolf said:

I'm really stoked by both preview articles the more I think about it

 

• Catachans: scout + Advance + MMM + [Assault] is a heck of a turn 1 "box your opponent in their DZ"
• the re-rolls of 1s on Hits & Wounds on the Catachan HWTs is a nightmare
• krieg HWTs  move + shoot + overwatch + SHOOT AGAIN ON A 3+!!!   That's going to be sooooo busted!
• The ignores cover on the new detachment seriously boosts all the AP1 we have in the army.  I'm thinking legions of LRBTs & Rogal Dorns, and Exterminators become GOLD.
• Harker gets put on a 50mm base with an "ammo runt" and now he's a catachan HWT. 

 

• The "cover" on cadians is.... iffy.  there's so much cover already, and so much stuff that just ignores/removes cover makes that ability "meh". 
• The overwatch hitting on 4s is a meme, as we have to have the CP and want to overwatch the turn they are getting picked up.  If they could count as having a Vox Caster while near the platoon, that would work be worth it

 

Lots of possibilities on the way! 

 

Cadians definitely got a bit of a shafting, but I think it's because they expect that to be the default battle line unit due to their pervasiveness in modern armies.  I will miss the ignores modifier ability as it's SO GOOD for such a mostly mild unit.

 

Over watch going from a 1/6th chance to a 1/2 chance isn't so much of a meme as it is going to possibly become part of my normal operations. Watching Necrons overwatch on 4's with their doom stalkers has made me mighty jealous and I would like to return to favor to such a unit with a grip of lascannons.

 

I think Creeds gonna become a lot more useful with her -1cp cost ability.  We definitely want more CP generation so I think Lord Solar will also unfortunately be making a lot more appearances. 

 

 

[AutumnEffect]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Hello.

My second post was intended as a correction to my initial one.

Apologies if it didn't come across as such.

 

Here's the thing, if you want it to come across like a correction to what you post, then it helps to include that fact in your correction, such as "I was mistaken" or "I was wrong."

 

If you don't and you quote someone else, especially with an unnecessary 'hello' then it reads as passive aggressive at best. My previous post was outwardly aggressive, so I can understand the tone.

I have not seen the stream where this miniature was identified as a cadet model, but I am going to take this correction in good faith; I was wrong. What I assumed was a Krieg Officer is not, in fact, what I thought it was and I apologize for belittling the opinion that it was a Commissar. Spending an hour checking if I was wrong and finding nothing was very irksom and it made my patience short.

 

Likewise, I apologize for my statement about your posting. It was against forum rules and I was and am in the wrong for doing so, but I felt at the time that it needed to be said.

I was in the wrong and I am sorry.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

16 minutes ago, OldWherewolf said:

I'm really stoked by both preview articles the more I think about it

 

• Catachans: scout + Advance + MMM + [Assault] is a heck of a turn 1 "box your opponent in their DZ"
• the re-rolls of 1s on Hits & Wounds on the Catachan HWTs is a nightmare
• krieg HWTs  move + shoot + overwatch + SHOOT AGAIN ON A 3+!!!   That's going to be sooooo busted!
• The ignores cover on the new detachment seriously boosts all the AP1 we have in the army.  I'm thinking legions of LRBTs & Rogal Dorns, and Exterminators become GOLD.
• Harker gets put on a 50mm base with an "ammo runt" and now he's a catachan HWT. 

 

• The "cover" on cadians is.... iffy.  there's so much cover already, and so much stuff that just ignores/removes cover makes that ability "meh". 
• The overwatch hitting on 4s is a meme, as we have to have the CP and want to overwatch the turn they are getting picked up.  If they could count as having a Vox Caster while near the platoon, that would work be worth it

 

Lots of possibilities on the way! 

It should be noted there’s a difference between being in cover, and having the effect of cover.

 

if rule says it ignores cover, imho that doesn’t mean it ignores special rules that provide the effect of cover, unless there’s a rule somewhere that I’m currently unaware of that says otherwise.

[Emperor Ming]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Hello.

It's not mentioned in the Article, but it was stated during the Warhammer Preview Stream.

That is a Commissar Cadet, not a Krieg Officer.

 

Edit: This was discussed in the Original preview stream thread during the TOW portion of the stream and was moved to the "Kreig Boxset" thread afterwards.

Thanks Indy, that's were the info is from!

 

I was wondering why i couldn't find the info on warcom. 

 

I knew I had read or heard that it was a cadet! 

[DemonGSides]

32 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

It should be noted there’s a difference between being in cover, and having the effect of cover.

 

if rule says it ignores cover, imho that doesn’t mean it ignores special rules that provide the effect of cover, unless there’s a rule somewhere that I’m currently unaware of that says otherwise.

 

You're wrong. Benefit of Cover is a rule. Anything that removes benefit of Cover removes benefit of Cover. It doesn't matter where the benefit of Cover was received from. 

Edited January 8 by DemonGSides

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

11 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

You're wrong. Benefit of Cover is a rule. Anything that removes benefit of Cover removes benefit of Cover. It doesn't matter where the benefit of Cover was received from. 

The BRB clearly states the primary rule is in regard to terrain.

 

pg44 of the BRB’s rule section

 

”models can sometimes gain a measure of protection from terrain features”

this is a special rule, not terrain.