11th edition starter speculation.

[firestorm40k]

21 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

x10 Tactical Intercessors: I would love the full kit to allow for one model per five models be able to take one Special Weapon (Pyreblaster, Plasma Incinerator, Melta Rifle, Grav Rifle, Neo-Volkite Caliver) OR one Tacticus Heavy Weapon (Pyrecannon, Heavy Bolter, Super-Frag/Krak, Heavy Plasma Incinerator, Las-Cannon, Accelerator Autocannon).

I've been thinking for a while that GW are very likely to make a new Tactical Squad next edition - either all Primaris, or scaled up sculpts. Same for Devastators. I certainly hope they do - I'd love to see some Mark 7 and 8 armoured Marines resculpted to the 'modern' scale of 40k miniatures 

[Karhedron]

I am wondering if rescaled MK7 is more likely to turn up in the HH range.

 

As for a Primaris tactical squad, I am not sure if the concept is still relevant. We no longer have to worry about Troop tax. Is it worth worrying about a single plasma gun or Flamer when we can field multiple squads of Hellblasters or Infernus Marines.

 

I quite like Heavy Bolters in Heavy Intercessor and Sternguard squads as they compliment the firepower of the rest of the squad. Would a single melta shot or missile add much to the capability of the squad? I am not sure. 

[CL_Mission]

I'd expect to see upscaled MK.VII in the HH range, maybe with some kind of post-heresy expansion. For tactical Intercessors I imagine we'll see something like Sternguard or the recent Space Wolf models where it's like MK.X armour with elements and helmets of older patterns.

Even if it's not the most decisive thing I don't think it would hurt too much throw a special weapon or two into a Intercessor squad, might just the squad a little extra oomf or it might shine more in smaller games or in something like Boarding Action.

 

Also I saw something mentioned on the previous page about White Scars Intercessors being spotted with melta-guns. I believe this is the image people are talking about and they White Scars are Sternguard with combi-weapons not Intercessors.

[ZeroWolf]

Yeah, I see redone intercessors being mainly to sprinkle more previous armour marks in, ensuring a healthy mix. Not sure they'd do a mix of special/heavy weapons but this is GW we're talking about. They could ho either way 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

10 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

I know what you mean. I think that would make more sense with shorter range heavy weapons like multimeltas. Autocannons have such long range that they wouldn't seem to need such movement. I would quite like a squad with Lastalons though. 

They could always nerf the range on their autocannons.

but an option between accelerator autocannons and las talons would be pretty cool.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

16 hours ago, Karhedron said:

I am wondering if rescaled MK7 is more likely to turn up in the HH range.

 

As for a Primaris tactical squad, I am not sure if the concept is still relevant. We no longer have to worry about Troop tax. Is it worth worrying about a single plasma gun or Flamer when we can field multiple squads of Hellblasters or Infernus Marines.

 

I quite like Heavy Bolters in Heavy Intercessor and Sternguard squads as they compliment the firepower of the rest of the squad. Would a single melta shot or missile add much to the capability of the squad? I am not sure. 

What’s the difference in average damage potential between a bolt rifle and a melta rifle?

thats the amount of capability a single gun would add to the squad overall. Add it to the AGL instead of replacing it, it can provide some decent threat to medium armor and heavy infantry.

edit

may not be much of a difference for one squad, but on 3 squads or 6 squads that adds up

Edited June 1 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Dark Shepherd]

Last 3 boxes have all had at least 2 new brand new marine characters, I hope though its biker techmarine or jump librarian rather than brand brand new

[WrathOfTheLion]

11 hours ago, Karhedron said:

I am wondering if rescaled MK7 is more likely to turn up in the HH range.

 

As for a Primaris tactical squad, I am not sure if the concept is still relevant. We no longer have to worry about Troop tax. Is it worth worrying about a single plasma gun or Flamer when we can field multiple squads of Hellblasters or Infernus Marines.

 

I quite like Heavy Bolters in Heavy Intercessor and Sternguard squads as they compliment the firepower of the rest of the squad. Would a single melta shot or missile add much to the capability of the squad? I am not sure. 

I think we'll likely see MK VII at some point in 30k, especially if they expand any into more direct SoT/early Scouring. I'm looking forward to seeing it if so, a 20-man block of MK VII marines with a vexillas and all will be an interesting sight.

 

They've been huge on some of the nostalgia stuff, and I really wouldn't be surprised for them to just drop in a new tactical/devastator squad.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

Chapter Master Valrak has posted a new video on this topic:

 

Rumoured marine contents:

• Tactical Squad
• Land Speeder
• Flame/Meltra Dread
• "Ranged Orientated" Captain/Leader - Descriped as a devastator leader perhaps with a heavy weapon.
• Possibly Vanguard Veterans - These might drop with 10th ed. SM Codex 2.0

I think it's now more than likely Assault Terminators drop with the new 10th ed. Codex. I think they'll be more in the box than is stated above. Almost certainly more characters. Two vehicles is interesting. Land Speeder and not storm speeder makes me think it could be the scout transport Land Speeder, Valrak says the same.

 

Thoughts?

 

[TheMawr]

3 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Chapter Master Valrak has posted a new video on this topic:

 

Rumoured marine contents:

• Tactical Squad
• Land Speeder
• Flame/Meltra Dread
• "Ranged Orientated" Captain/Leader - Descriped as a devastator leader perhaps with a heavy weapon.
• Possibly Vanguard Veterans - These might drop with 10th ed. SM Codex 2.0

I think it's now more than likely Assault Terminators drop with the new 10th ed. Codex. I think they'll be more in the box than is stated above. Almost certainly more characters. Two vehicles is interesting. Land Speeder and not storm speeder makes me think it could be the scout transport Land Speeder, Valrak says the same.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

I doubt the dread and the speeder will be both in the box though, more likely one of the two is part of the accompanying releasewave. ( maybe even as a token launchwave ETB kit hence confusing the rumor source, although last release didnt have any beyond whats also in the box I believe ? same for AoS, so they might have stopped doing that.)

 

Id would want to say that if the box has a ranged oriented leader then there has to be a ranged oriented unit for him to lead as well.. however, thats one thing thats definitely not a given for GW. A box full of assault stuff and nothing the leader can lead seems totally plausible XD And ofcourse ranged orientated could be an add to tacticals as well.

[DemonGSides]

It was just last edition we got the Apothecary Biologis in a box that had nothing he could attach to, in the edition that they brought back attaching to squads, so a totally normal GW Non-bo to have a ranged leader with nothing to lead.

I would expect at least one more character for the Space Marine side as well.

[Karhedron]

19 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

I would expect at least one more character for the Space Marine side as well.

 

The last 3 boxes have had 3/4 SM Characters so I agree that there feels like there will be more. Not that I dispute anything Valrak has posted, but I think that this is only part of a bigger picture.

[TheMawr]

21 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

It was just last edition we got the Apothecary Biologis in a box that had nothing he could attach to, in the edition that they brought back attaching to squads, so a totally normal GW Non-bo to have a ranged leader with nothing to lead.

I would expect at least one more character for the Space Marine side as well.

 

Thats exactly the one I was refering to XD ( that and apparently there is a similar issue in the Imperial guard combat patrol )

And absolutely, I'd say at least two more is likely..

-- Dark Imperium had Gravis captain, Ancient and 2 lieutenants
-- Indomitus had Bladeguard captain, lieutenant, ancient, the justicar (?) and a chaplain
-- Leviathan had the Apothecary biologis, Terminator captain, Terminator librarian and phobos one.

Id think at least a Captain, Lieutenant and "specialist" is very likely.

 

Let me dig up this and blatantly self-promote this digiconvertguess I made up last year in a previous incarnation of the topic :

 

Though I should make a new one.. two even, one with the Speeder as centrepiece and one with flamer dread XD ( if it is indeed a scout speeder in the starterbox, I do expect scouts could be the theme where half the rest doesnt fit to ( like terminators last time.) if its the flamer dread I think it might be the odd one out.)

 

Devestators reimagined as a scout squad ? Probably doesnt work for the lore ? ( I dont know alot of specific on spacemarine squads and their connection to their equipment ) 

[Karhedron]

If there is a speeder variant with transport capacity, that seems less likely to come in the start set simply on the basis that we recently got new Scouts so I don't see them being likely in the edition release box. 

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

2 hours ago, TheMawr said:

I doubt the dread and the speeder will be both in the box though

I agree. I think Dreads make more sense as ETB, the Balistus is great. With this "Land Speeder", be it a Scout Transport or not, it's just a question of if it's 11th ed. release wave or 10th ed. codex 2.0 release wave. Personally, I'm leaning towards it being 11th ed. release wave.

 

My hypothesis on the launch box contents is now:

• "Ranged Leader" Captain/Lieutenant - A heavy weapon, Heavy bolter maybe? 
• x10 Tactical Marines - I really hope these are a Primaris Tactical Squad with different marks of helmets, shoulders, power packs and shins on a Mark X Tacticus base. I am also really hoping for Sergeant, Special and Heavy weapon options. In the 11th Ed. Codex these would replace Tactical Squads and Intercessors.
• x3 Gavis Fire Support - Grav Cannons
• x3/5 Vanguard Vets - I just have a feeling these guys will move to 40mms and be 3-man. I even think their name might change to Bladeguard w/ Jump Packs to further solidify "Vanguard Marines" to mean Phobos units.
• Flame/Melta Dread - Redemptor version of the old Assault on Black Reach ETB Castraferrum? Would be cool as that was also vs Orks.
• Jump Pack Chaplain - Nuff Said
• Last two characters just roll the dice on a table with the y axis being LT, Apothecary, Techmarine, Librarian and the x axis being Tacticus, Phobos and Gravis until you get a result we don't have a model for.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

6 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Chapter Master Valrak has posted a new video on this topic:

 

Rumoured marine contents:

• Tactical Squad
• Land Speeder
• Flame/Meltra Dread
• "Ranged Orientated" Captain/Leader - Descriped as a devastator leader perhaps with a heavy weapon.
• Possibly Vanguard Veterans - These might drop with 10th ed. SM Codex 2.0

I think it's now more than likely Assault Terminators drop with the new 10th ed. Codex. I think they'll be more in the box than is stated above. Almost certainly more characters. Two vehicles is interesting. Land Speeder and not storm speeder makes me think it could be the scout transport Land Speeder, Valrak says the same.

 

Thoughts?

 

Stormspeeder storm would be great.

might actually get some more Phobos units then.

 

assuming it has firing deck rule, popping some eliminators into it could make a nice addition to fast AT squadron. Shooting after a thunderstrike.

[ZeroWolf]

We'll probably get clearer rumours as the year goes on. If I remember correctly, Leviathan wasn't locked down completely till January time? Though it was funny seeing "other" rumour spreaders try their luck with 100% fake stuff.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

I agree. I think Dreads make more sense as ETB, the Balistus is great. With this "Land Speeder", be it a Scout Transport or not, it's just a question of if it's 11th ed. release wave or 10th ed. codex 2.0 release wave. Personally, I'm leaning towards it being 11th ed. release wave.

 

My hypothesis on the launch box contents is now:

• "Ranged Leader" Captain/Lieutenant - A heavy weapon, Heavy bolter maybe? 
• x10 Tactical Marines - I really hope these are a Primaris Tactical Squad with different marks of helmets, shoulders, power packs and shins on a Mark X Tacticus base. I am also really hoping for Sergeant, Special and Heavy weapon options. In the 11th Ed. Codex these would replace Tactical Squads and Intercessors.
• x3 Gavis Fire Support - Grav Cannons
• x3/5 Vanguard Vets - I just have a feeling these guys will move to 40mms and be 3-man. I even think their name might change to Bladeguard w/ Jump Packs to further solidify "Vanguard Marines" to mean Phobos units.
• Flame/Melta Dread - Redemptor version of the old Assault on Black Reach ETB Castraferrum? Would be cool as that was also vs Orks.
• Jump Pack Chaplain - Nuff Said
• Last two characters just roll the dice on a table with the y axis being LT, Apothecary, Techmarine, Librarian and the x axis being Tacticus, Phobos and Gravis until you get a result we don't have a model for.

We likely have a year or so left in the edition, why do people still think there’s going to be a codex 2.0 this edition?

 

didn’t people say the same thing in 9th and it never happened?

 

assuming your list is remotely close, I think the dread might be more like the ballistus dread than the AoBR dread.

multimelta one side and a giant inferno cannon cannon the other

Edited yesterday at 04:12 PM by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Dark Shepherd]

Transpo speeder would step on the impulsors toes a bit though? But that hasnt stopped them before :)

[Craig]

Would be weird to include a transport specifically for scouts in a launch box and not include scouts.

If you have 2 vehicles in the box and one of the characters isn't a techmarine I'd be very surprised.

[TheMawr]

18 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

We likely have a year or so left in the edition, why do people still think there’s going to be a codex 2.0 this edition?

 

didn’t people say the same thing in 9th and it never happened?

 

assuming your list is remotely close, I think the dread might be more like the ballistus dread than the AoBR dread.

multimelta one side and a giant inferno cannon cannon the other

 

I myself am skeptical too ( I personally think the roadmap images are supplements though, but who knows, the roadmap is weird either way.)

 

But there is precedence for 2.0 codex coming late and lasting shortly, August 2019... The same precedence had Supplements added afterwards up to october.. the supplements however where potentially still usable with the new edition codex a year later, but the 2.0 codex was replaced and Spacemarine fans ( wich is a lot of fans ) generally didnt seem happy about it, wich is why I dont think it will happen. Buth every 0.5 edition ( 6th edition too ) has had supplements for the "vanilla" chapter. 

 

its also unclear, sometimes valrak talks about it as if its a rumor, but other times it sounds like its his speculation because he thinks GW would put new rules only in a codex, wich is actually not the case, so not exactly a strong argument. The 5 new spacemarine kits released throughout 9th edition didnt warrant a new codex, the truelly brand new ones had the rules in the box and Especially at the end of an edition a lot of rules for new miniatures do indeed appear as free downloads for a while.

 

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On another note, is this image on top new, and if not does somebody have a bigger image of this ? If its new I dont think it relates to 11th edition so is slightly offtopic.. but I do think it might relate to the end of edition campaign/ second armageddon book. ( wich in turn probably relates to 11th edition narrative )

 

[m-p-constructions]

@TheMawr the box you show is from the latest prganised play season. 

 

You can find the article on warhammer community right here.

 

I would like a remake of the 3d Ed Starter Box. Marines VS Drukhari. The first plastic Land Speeder was released in that box. Drukhari had a very quiet 10th Edition modelwise in my opinion, so i could imagine this to happen.

[Dark Shepherd]

41 minutes ago, Craig said:

Would be weird to include a transport specifically for scouts in a launch box and not include scouts.

If you have 2 vehicles in the box and one of the characters isn't a techmarine I'd be very surprised.

Techmarine on bike would be slick, but that will prob have to wait til Ravenwing or the Khan comes back

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Transpo speeder would step on the impulsors toes a bit though? But that hasnt stopped them before :)

No more than the landspeeder storm stepped on the toes of the rhino nor razor back.

[Dark Shepherd]

3 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

No more than the landspeeder storm stepped on the toes of the rhino nor razor back.

Id disagree slightly; both would be open topped skimmers/hovercraft