11th edition starter speculation.

[ZeroWolf]

4 hours ago, m-p-constructions said:

@TheMawr the box you show is from the latest prganised play season. 

 

You can find the article on warhammer community right here.

 

I would like a remake of the 3d Ed Starter Box. Marines VS Drukhari. The first plastic Land Speeder was released in that box. Drukhari had a very quiet 10th Edition modelwise in my opinion, so i could imagine this to happen.

To be fair, drukhari haven't had anything this edition yet  I mean, rumours say potentially its two models but, we'll see. I think, outside of a last minute swerve, it's going to be as presented here, Orks v SM. Maybe better luck for other Xenos in 12th.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

5 hours ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Id disagree slightly; both would be open topped skimmers/hovercraft

 

 

 

Open topped is just an aesthetic thing that means nothing.

a transport speeder can be completely enclosed except for the pilots.

 

being a hovercraft makes no difference again just an aesthetic choice for the impulsor.

 

a transport speeder would step on the toes of the impulsor no more than the current speeders step on the toes of the gladiators.

[TheMawr]

4 minutes ago, m-p-constructions said:

@TheMawr the box you show is from the latest prganised play season. 

 

You can find the article on warhammer community right here.

 

I would like a remake of the 3d Ed Starter Box. Marines VS Drukhari. The first plastic Land Speeder was released in that box. Drukhari had a very quiet 10th Edition modelwise in my opinion, so i could imagine this to happen.

 

Haha I know, I got it from the article ;) I just cant find the top artwork seperately.. organised play packs always use excisting art ( but also often, if not always, narrative-era relevant art. ) The image on the side is excisting Ork/Armageddon art, and then there is alot of krieg.. but when first posting the accompanying pictures (wich I do know) I mistakingly remembered where associated with Yarrick but I double checked and they are tanith/Gaunt associates.. so nothing to do with Armageddon or Orks. It seems to be a more random than usual gathering of pictures there.

 

Found a bigger picture of the Ork weirdboy as well ( reddit, so cant link it.) and its not by the artist I thought it was by either ( the one that spoiled several future releases in his art ) so, nothing to see here. ( though if someone has the full art still, Id love to have it.. I gather practically every art piece in my waaay too big database XD )

 

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In the vacuum of ignoring rumors I could have seen drukhari in the starter but previously around this time the rumors of the adversary/general boxset stuff have been correct and I see little reason to doubt Orks.

That said, we still have about 12 months left, and even though there are already rumors of 11th edition, the 10th edition picture ( even if accounting for all the more stable/consistent rumors and considering these EoE campaign releases ) seems to be far from complete, unless GW is deciding to cut 40k production in half ( wich imho is extremely unlikely ) :

 

 

Basically the last 6 months are wide open for capacity based on 8th and 9th edition ( as well as AoS ) I honestly wouldnt even be suprised if both the early Dark eldar (due to the lateness of their codex ) and Dark Mechanicum ( as part of the end of edition campaign ) rumors valrak mentions for next edition will be starting next year, but still this edition, it wouldnt be the first time this year (and before) his source wasnt quite right on the timing, and even if they'd both be about world eater size, its still less than 8th and 9th edition. There would still be place for a suprise or two AND replacing all still-active resin kits with plastic in the end of edition campaign.

 

The fact there are only minor rumors where the next edition has more rumors doesnt say much either, at this point in time, we didnt have many detailed rumors of the last 6 month releases either only global ones from the big leak, but the details of the Leviathan boxset where starting to drop. Though both rumors, leaks and teases/reveals started to accelerate late in july/august.

 

( 8th editions last 12 months behind spoilers )

 

Spoiler

 

I forgot the spacemarine upgrade sprues here too.

 

Im not saying the gaps in the "capacity" for the last 6 months of the edition will be a big dark eldar release, but Im definitely saying it wont be nothing, and dark eldar are as good a guess as anything, the following are the only plastic kits older than the initial dark eldar range ( yes, the infantry side is old even by GW's relative standards, its just that vehicles seemingly never get updated, but when discounting vehicles apart from Orks there is only small leftovers in other ranges.) :

 

 

And I use this to get back on topic as well. ( though it interests me alot is that there are a lot of similar things in the "older" category. basically.. fast attacks... this might really become a theme for 11th, if not 10th editions end starting with the Spacemarine fast attackers. I try to imagine if they can let a gamemode revolve around it like boarding actions was for Arks of Omen )

 

I really think all 5 of the Ork "infantry side" kits will be updated with 11th edition ( in addition to regular boyz ), but its curious what will be in the starterset. Burnaboyz and Grotz I think could easily be one of those part of the starterset but on a seperate sprue releases they like to do nowadays ( Flamer intercessors, last edition primaris bikes, von ryan leapers etc. ) I think lootas might evolve into something slightly different. 

 

 

 

 

[Tawnis]

On 5/30/2025 at 8:35 AM, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Again, I respectfully disagree. The jump pack heavy weapon combo doesn't make sense to me. That's what drop pods are for.

 
Large scale sure, that makes more sense. But if you're in a city fight, being able to jump your big guns to elevated positions would be pretty advantageous. Put a Drop Pod into a building, and there's no more building. 

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

44 minutes ago, Tawnis said:

But if you're in a city fight, being able to jump your big guns to elevated positions would be pretty advantageous.

At that point, why isn't every Space Marine deployed with a jump pack? I am a Blood Angels guys so I do often go all Jump Pack lol but the fact is a company of marines isn't all jump pack.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

5 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

At that point, why isn't every Space Marine deployed with a jump pack? I am a Blood Angels guys so I do often go all Jump Pack lol but the fact is a company of marines isn't all jump pack.

Because there’s drawbacks to jump packs. 
 

why not give every soldier an M249 in real life since it has clear advantages over a standard rifle?  Because there’s drawbacks there are still draw backs.

Edited Wednesday at 07:55 PM by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Dark Shepherd]

On 7/2/2025 at 3:53 AM, TheMawr said:

 

Haha I know, I got it from the article ;) I just cant find the top artwork seperately.. organised play packs always use excisting art ( but also often, if not always, narrative-era relevant art. ) The image on the side is excisting Ork/Armageddon art, and then there is alot of krieg.. but when first posting the accompanying pictures (wich I do know) I mistakingly remembered where associated with Yarrick but I double checked and they are tanith/Gaunt associates.. so nothing to do with Armageddon or Orks. It seems to be a more random than usual gathering of pictures there.

 

Found a bigger picture of the Ork weirdboy as well ( reddit, so cant link it.) and its not by the artist I thought it was by either ( the one that spoiled several future releases in his art ) so, nothing to see here. ( though if someone has the full art still, Id love to have it.. I gather practically every art piece in my waaay too big database XD )

 

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In the vacuum of ignoring rumors I could have seen drukhari in the starter but previously around this time the rumors of the adversary/general boxset stuff have been correct and I see little reason to doubt Orks.

That said, we still have about 12 months left, and even though there are already rumors of 11th edition, the 10th edition picture ( even if accounting for all the more stable/consistent rumors and considering these EoE campaign releases ) seems to be far from complete, unless GW is deciding to cut 40k production in half ( wich imho is extremely unlikely ) :

 

 

Basically the last 6 months are wide open for capacity based on 8th and 9th edition ( as well as AoS ) I honestly wouldnt even be suprised if both the early Dark eldar (due to the lateness of their codex ) and Dark Mechanicum ( as part of the end of edition campaign ) rumors valrak mentions for next edition will be starting next year, but still this edition, it wouldnt be the first time this year (and before) his source wasnt quite right on the timing, and even if they'd both be about world eater size, its still less than 8th and 9th edition. There would still be place for a suprise or two AND replacing all still-active resin kits with plastic in the end of edition campaign.

 

The fact there are only minor rumors where the next edition has more rumors doesnt say much either, at this point in time, we didnt have many detailed rumors of the last 6 month releases either only global ones from the big leak, but the details of the Leviathan boxset where starting to drop. Though both rumors, leaks and teases/reveals started to accelerate late in july/august.

 

( 8th editions last 12 months behind spoilers )

 

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I forgot the spacemarine upgrade sprues here too.

 

Im not saying the gaps in the "capacity" for the last 6 months of the edition will be a big dark eldar release, but Im definitely saying it wont be nothing, and dark eldar are as good a guess as anything, the following are the only plastic kits older than the initial dark eldar range ( yes, the infantry side is old even by GW's relative standards, its just that vehicles seemingly never get updated, but when discounting vehicles apart from Orks there is only small leftovers in other ranges.) :

 

 

And I use this to get back on topic as well. ( though it interests me alot is that there are a lot of similar things in the "older" category. basically.. fast attacks... this might really become a theme for 11th, if not 10th editions end starting with the Spacemarine fast attackers. I try to imagine if they can let a gamemode revolve around it like boarding actions was for Arks of Omen )

 

I really think all 5 of the Ork "infantry side" kits will be updated with 11th edition ( in addition to regular boyz ), but its curious what will be in the starterset. Burnaboyz and Grotz I think could easily be one of those part of the starterset but on a seperate sprue releases they like to do nowadays ( Flamer intercessors, last edition primaris bikes, von ryan leapers etc. ) I think lootas might evolve into something slightly different. 

 

 

 

 

Thinking of production and warehouse capacity, and maybe a deliberate concentration of releases, maybe some of the rumoured late 10th marine stuff is in 11th box

 

IIRC Late 9th (era GW) had a big slow down in releases/restocks as they dedicated resources to 10th ed box

 

Think it was on a GW stream or someone like Peachy said they made 500k 10th launch boxes (8th sold about 35k, 9th was close to 300k)

 

Arguments sake they make 600k for 11th then that consumes a lot of space and resources. Also, assault terminators would help shift those units, and added double dip bonus for GW of selling them plus new tacticals as monopose and then multipart

[Karhedron]

24 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Thinking of production and warehouse capacity, and maybe a deliberate concentration of releases, maybe some of the rumoured late 10th marine stuff is in 11th box

 

Yes, there is a lot of stuff rumoured to be coming with speculation that it will be split between a 10.5 SM Codex and the 11th edition box set. Some of it may even be a post-release 11th edition wave.

[DemonGSides]

Yeah, we have a strong precedent with last season and the Brutalis Strike Force with the Desolators coming out the winter prior to the new edition dropping.  They're not afraid of dropping lots of marines in a row; they love doing that.

[Karhedron]

1 minute ago, DemonGSides said:

Yeah, we have a strong precedent with last season and the Brutalis Strike Force with the Desolators coming out the winter prior to the new edition dropping.  They're not afraid of dropping lots of marines in a row; they love doing that.

 

And in 8th edition they dropped Shadowspear and the Impulsor less than a year before 9th edition arrived. I think the 8.5E codex covered these IIRC. So definitely a strong precedent.

[TheMawr]

What I meant was actually that there isnt a lot of stuff rumored (yet) to be coming in the last 1/3th of 10th edition at all. ( wich as I said isnt strange, most late edition stuff starts to hit rumors etc. after july/august and after the new edition rumors have already started dropping* ) 

 

43 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Thinking of production and warehouse capacity, and maybe a deliberate concentration of releases, maybe some of the rumoured late 10th marine stuff is in 11th box

 

IIRC Late 9th (era GW) had a big slow down in releases/restocks as they dedicated resources to 10th ed box

 

But 9th edition didnt have a big slow down in its last year ( nor did 8th or any late AoS edition ).. its quite the contrary. Both had their biggest army release** of the entire edition pop up in the last 6 months, in addition to the extra marine releases and end of edition campaign characters, but also World eaters and Leagues of Votann in 9th edition, and Banshees/Incubi as well as Admech releases in 8th. ( as you can see in my image inbetween the spoilers )

 

I dont think New edition boxes interrupt or are interrupted by other releases whatsoever, but this is obviously based on just guesswork. I think there is a dedicated section of their facilities doing just that, switching between 40k and AoS new edition boxsets ( and similar), this also brings me to the * above, I think thats why the new edition rumors are usually getting more detailed rumors before the last part of the current edition is even hinted at in rumors .. because I think production of the new edition boxset elements start a decent time before the production of the last 6 months of a current edition, so while we experience reveals and releases in a more consumer-chronological order, rumor sources get their hands on information in the production order. 

 

 

** And this kept me cautiously optimistic about dark eldar this edition.. however, its lowering again, as I do think there is a possibility that custodes take this place, following up the rumored horus heresy "war within the webway" box that could mimic a wrath and rapture approach. Its quite coincidental that either the end of the edition campaign or kill team ( but likely both ) warrant the "into the webway" theme for the 40k grand narrative open at about the same time that that rumored horus heresy box would also come. Either way the current legal resin HH custodes kits in 40k need either be removed, crossovered, or replaced when it happens, and in both of the last 2 options it probably "eats" from 40k capacity.

It also reminds me of HH Burning of Prospero dropping at the same time of Wrath of Magnus 40k campaign. But thats diving into other (wild speculation) topics again.

 

[TheMawr]

50 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

And in 8th edition they dropped Shadowspear and the Impulsor less than a year before 9th edition arrived. I think the 8.5E codex covered these IIRC. So definitely a strong precedent.

 

Shadowspear itself was ( slightly ) earlier and was followed by the seizable CSM release (also before the last year mark), but the afterwards expansion of multipart Phobos kits and indeed the Impulsor where August preorders , the Supplements and accompanying Characters and Upgrade sprues (wich I forgot in my thumbnail gathering) where also in the last half ( August-October)

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

I think DE are getting a reveal soon because 1. If I’m not mistaken there’s been no 40K love for DE 2. The logo for the Tacoma event has DE vehicles.

 

so I doubt DE will be the OPFOR in the 11th starter box, unless for some reason they really want to push DE all of a sudden

[TheMawr]

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I think DE are getting a reveal soon because 1. If I’m not mistaken there’s been no 40K love for DE 2. The logo for the Tacoma event has DE vehicles.

 

so I doubt DE will be the OPFOR in the 11th starter box, unless for some reason they really want to push DE all of a sudden

 

Tacoma event always had the DE vehicles on there. That doesnt mean GW feels the timing is right for sneakpeeks there specifically ( wich they didnt before ) in "honor of" Tacoma always having had that. But it doesnt make it a hint they certainly will either... honestly, I think sneak peeks is such a farcry from there usual "massive reveals" or "big preview" that I expect to see pictures of one new model.. not a video, but taken a long in a cabinet on the tournament floor or something ( wich is how we got previews in the old days ;) )

 

I dont think they are 11th edition enemy either, I believe the rumors about Orks on this. And am not even sure if they wont release before 2026.. because thats a long time to have the cardpack and combat patrol sold out.. but we'll see, and if they release this side of the last year, it definitely wont be a big release.

 

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btw: its now fully confirmed that the spacemarine codex 2.0 is not rumor but speculation/theory by Valrak, I double down on theorising no codex spacemarine 2.0 ( yes there is precedence, but that was to cover more truelly new units it was also announced slightly earlier and wasnt received very well that spacemarine fans had to buy a full codex just for a year time.) but I do think those images on the roadmap ARE supplements.

Funny enough for the exact same reason valrak gives there "has to be a 2.0 codex" ;

Combat patrol rules

If all 6 combat patrols would need to be featured in a new spacemarine codex it eats massive extra space, however, as far as GW is concerned its enough to have those small supplements that 8th edition had, with the (new) character rules, Combat patrol for each chapter, perhaps an extra bespoke detachment and all the usuals. We've been there, we have done that.. and considering 11th edition is likely 10.5 they are not made obsolete by 11th editions spacemarine codex.
It also explains why votann can be inbetween 2 seperate teaser images. ( although I still dont "trust" the roadmap or take it as gospel )

[ZeroWolf]

14 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

Tacoma event always had the DE vehicles on there. That doesnt mean GW feels the timing is right for sneakpeeks there specifically ( wich they didnt before ) in "honor of" Tacoma always having had that. But it doesnt make it a hint they certainly will either... honestly, I think sneak peeks is such a farcry from there usual "massive reveals" or "big preview" that I expect to see pictures of one new model.. not a video, but taken a long in a cabinet on the tournament floor or something ( wich is how we got previews in the old days ;) )

 

I dont think they are 11th edition enemy either, I believe the rumors about Orks on this. And am not even sure if they wont release before 2026.. because thats a long time to have the cardpack and combat patrol sold out.. but we'll see, and if they release this side of the last year, it definitely wont be a big release.

 

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btw: its now fully confirmed that the spacemarine codex 2.0 is not rumor but speculation/theory by Valrak, I double down on theorising no codex spacemarine 2.0 ( yes there is precedence, but that was to cover more truelly new units it was also announced slightly earlier and wasnt received very well that spacemarine fans had to buy a full codex just for a year time.) but I do think those images on the roadmap ARE supplements.

Funny enough for the exact same reason valrak gives there "has to be a 2.0 codex" ;

Combat patrol rules

If all 6 combat patrols would need to be featured in a new spacemarine codex it eats massive extra space, however, as far as GW is concerned its enough to have those small supplements that 8th edition had, with the (new) character rules, Combat patrol for each chapter, perhaps an extra bespoke detachment and all the usuals. We've been there, we have done that.. and considering 11th edition is likely 10.5 they are not made obsolete by 11th editions spacemarine codex.
It also explains why votann can be inbetween 2 seperate teaser images. ( although I still dont "trust" the roadmap or take it as gospel )

The alternative could be that they release the supplements digitally with no physical books this time around (I'd probably class this as a further shot than a codex 2.0 simply because of how GW handles things, but there's always a first time)

[TheMawr]

1 hour ago, ZeroWolf said:

The alternative could be that they release the supplements digitally with no physical books this time around (I'd probably class this as a further shot than a codex 2.0 simply because of how GW handles things, but there's always a first time)

 

To be fair, it happened so gradually that we havent even adjusted to it yet.. but there is quite some digital presence nowadays compared to a couple of years ago. I dont even think points where free online in 8th edition ? 8th edition indexes where paid for physical products as well. Combat patrol at least can be played entirely with free downloadable rules. Kill team too ( unless Im missing something ) GW has a much bigger digital presence than before, and there is presedent for new releases being accompanied by full digital rules ( the Kill Teams, but also last years AoS Ironjawz and Darkoath "supplements" )

Its obviously not at the point where people want it to be, but at least there is plenty of presedence for free digital supplements as opposed to physical ones existing, at least temporarily.

[ThePenitentOne]

One of the reasons I'd LIKE the antagonist faction to be Drukhari is it would also unlock the potential for Drukhari themed terrain The FINALLY put out some Nid stuff; we've had a fair bit of Ork Stuff; we've had some T'au stuff.

 

But Eldar/ Drukhari? Aside from a webway gate, not so much. We've seen it in GW box photos... But it's never been available.

[ZeroWolf]

1 hour ago, ThePenitentOne said:

One of the reasons I'd LIKE the antagonist faction to be Drukhari is it would also unlock the potential for Drukhari themed terrain The FINALLY put out some Nid stuff; we've had a fair bit of Ork Stuff; we've had some T'au stuff.

 

But Eldar/ Drukhari? Aside from a webway gate, not so much. We've seen it in GW box photos... But it's never been available.

To be fair, there's nothing stopping GW from just putting a DE themed KT box together that includes themed terrain. I don’t think being the antagonist faction even comes into their minds. We got Octarius when Necrons were the big bad after all.