11th edition starter speculation.

[Indy Techwisp]

14 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

An IP law? I'm intrigued by what you mean. I thought that Embracer and Warner Bros had the right "rights" since that's why Amazon had to make Rings of Power the way they did.

Possibly conflating the thing with Amazon having to invent their own backstory 'cause they didn't have right to the Simarrillion with the new movie actually having the rights to use that stuff.

[DemonGSides]

56 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

An IP law? I'm intrigued by what you mean. I thought that Embracer and Warner Bros had the right "rights" since that's why Amazon had to make Rings of Power the way they did.

 

The various sections of Tolkiens works are split up amongst various rights holders, leading a ruinous mess of attempts to make movies out of half lore while not stepping into realms they aren't allowed.  Indy's only half right, in that because the rights are split, everything is a mess.

If you haven't seen the movie, it's boring, because they focussed on an un-named and unknown child of Helm Hammerhand instead of, y'know, actually making a good movie.

It's better than if they had used the Amazon show as their fodder, but not by much.  War of the Rohirrim was a disappointment all around.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Valrak has new video up, the whispers are saying Armageddon III will be the next big narrative turn, likely for the 11th stater having orks v marines, by the end of the year.

Edited January 24 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[ZeroWolf]

28 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Valrak has new video up, the whispers are saying Armageddon III will be the next big narrative turn, likely for the 11th stater having orks v marines, by the end of the year.

Sounds plausible, plus GW being GW the lore they'll focus on for 11th edition will actually be the 4th Tyrannic war like we got expanded Pariah Nexus stuff this edition. 

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

About time we got Imperial Fists in the starting box. Better yet just have Imperial Fists in it. 

[Tawnis]

54 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Valrak has new video up, the whispers are saying Armageddon III will be the next big narrative turn, likely for the 11th stater having orks v marines, by the end of the year.

Something that could also tie into this and future settings. Black Library's open submissions for this year are asking for stories specifically set in one of the following three locations: Armageddon, Commorragh, and Vigilus, so I'm betting they will all be hot points in 11th edition. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

6 minutes ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

About time we got Imperial Fists in the starting box. Better yet just have Imperial Fists in it. 

Obviously it will be BA as Dante saves the day again.

[ZeroWolf]

1 hour ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

About time we got Imperial Fists in the starting box. Better yet just have Imperial Fists in it. 

You'll have Ultramarines and like it  Seriously though, the box will have Ultramarines on it because they are the posterboys. No use complaining about it now

[Jscarlos18]

What I'm most interested in hearing now is more about the rumored Tyranid terrain that could tie into Kill Team and if the LoV will be getting their second wave.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Jscarlos18 said:

What I'm most interested in hearing now is more about the rumored Tyranid terrain that could tie into Kill Team and if the LoV will be getting their second wave.

Didn’t they already get a second wave with the bikers and beserkers?

 

I think it’s wave 3 people are waiting for.

[ZeroWolf]

14 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Didn’t they already get a second wave with the bikers and beserkers?

 

I think it’s wave 3 people are waiting for.

Those were all part of the initial release wave. LoV have only had one codex released so far and seem to be tying with DE for who gets the last release of 10th.

[ThePenitentOne]

On 1/24/2025 at 1:55 PM, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Valrak has new video up, the whispers are saying Armageddon III will be the next big narrative turn, likely for the 11th stater having orks v marines, by the end of the year.

This is terrible news. Less than three years for an edition is very problematic. If it's 10.5, it might be salvageable. If not, I might need another 40k vacation like I had with 6th and 7th.

 

10th isn't my favourite edition, but each edition lasting a minimum of three years (and preferably longer) is more important than how good or bad any individual edition might be.

[Lord_Ikka]

I would be very surprised if a new edition came out by the end of the year- GW has had their 3 year, every year a big release during summer (rotating 40k, AoS, and hobby/painting) for a while now and it seems to be what they aim for. I'm also pretty sure that they wouldn't be able to finish up all of codices needed right now by the end of the year unless they actually start doing a codex per month. 

[ZeroWolf]

There's talk about it being a clean up of 10th rather than anything drastically new. Don't know if that's speculation or rumours though. If it's true, might mean no narrative end of edition campaign thus no Russ.

 

If I may speculate, the shortened life span of 10th might be down to it's own strange development. We know from evidence that development of 10th wasn't smooth and that from the beginning, it may have been an extension of 9th till something changed late in the day and we got a full reboot. What if it happened so late that they simply didn't have time to implement everything they wanted so kicked out the door what they did have. Then decided to "patch" 10th with a slightly earlier 11th (6 months or so earlier). In essence, 11th edition would take it to the rule set they fully wanted 10th to be.

 

Of course I accept there's glaring issues with this theory (amother could be they simply don't expect a HH 3.0 box to bring in the money like 40k can)

 

But it is really strange that they'd even consider lessening the already tight 3 year cycle. Especially since it'll leave a noticable gap for next years financials.

[Jscarlos18]

1 hour ago, ZeroWolf said:

There's talk about it being a clean up of 10th rather than anything drastically new. Don't know if that's speculation or rumours though. If it's true, might mean no narrative end of edition campaign thus no Russ.

I think we will have a campaign to end 10th edition since 7th, 8th and 9th gave us Gathering Storm, Psychic Awakening and Arks of Omen. I can see Russ being introduced there like Lion to gave fans a taste of the impending army refresh next edition.

 

If GW plans to add more factions eventually, they need to extend the editions. Primarchs will return in some way, and I can see them splitting the Space Marine codex further to accommodate the expansion of the Space Marine legions back into 18.

 

I wish Eldar got Harlequins back and finally Exodites as armies to finally have all their subfactions (Craftworlds, Drukhari, Corsairs, Harlequins, Exodites and Ynnari) playable in tabletop. With a good number of models each even if some are crammed into the normal Aeldari codex.

 

Give us Guard regiments back outside their big 3 (Cadians, Krieg and Catachan).

 

Introduce DarkMech since Vashtorr and their range in LI are a thing.

 

But those are just my unrealistic wishes.

[ZeroWolf]

Only reason why I suggested it was because they still have 10 more codexes to get out there (not counting individual release of the Guard codex and of course EC) that's also assuming that both Knight books are combined otherwise bump that up to 11 books.

 

Actually it might be 10 as I realised I was taken it for granted that there was a book linked to the picture of the Salamanders marine when that could just be miniature releases as rumoured.

 

Plus another link could be the speculation Valrak made on a stream wondering if the reason we had no 40k from September till before Christmas was the factory printing 11th edition boxes.

[Jscarlos18]

3 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

Plus another link could be the speculation Valrak made on a stream wondering if the reason we had no 40k from September till before Christmas was the factory printing 11th edition boxes.

Never though about it that way. But you may be onto something. Like you said, its really weird they left those months empty.

 

If 11th is more of a 10.5 edition that would be neat.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

23 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

Those were all part of the initial release wave. LoV have only had one codex released so far and seem to be tying with DE for who gets the last release of 10th.

Are you sure? I feel pretty confident that when 10 released with indexes they introduced several units like their psyker, the exoskeleton suits, and the engineer guy.

8 hours ago, Lord_Ikka said:

I would be very surprised if a new edition came out by the end of the year- GW has had their 3 year, every year a big release during summer (rotating 40k, AoS, and hobby/painting) for a while now and it seems to be what they aim for. I'm also pretty sure that they wouldn't be able to finish up all of codices needed right now by the end of the year unless they actually start doing a codex per month. 

You seem to underestimate GW’s willingness to throw QA/QC out the window for the sake of money in regards to rule books.

[ZeroWolf]

I'm positive, outside of celebration models, LoV only had one release wave

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, Jscarlos18 said:

I think we will have a campaign to end 10th edition since 7th, 8th and 9th gave us Gathering Storm, Psychic Awakening and Arks of Omen. I can see Russ being introduced there like Lion to gave fans a taste of the impending army refresh next edition.

 

If GW plans to add more factions eventually, they need to extend the editions. Primarchs will return in some way, and I can see them splitting the Space Marine codex further to accommodate the expansion of the Space Marine legions back into 18.

 

I wish Eldar got Harlequins back and finally Exodites as armies to finally have all their subfactions (Craftworlds, Drukhari, Corsairs, Harlequins, Exodites and Ynnari) playable in tabletop. With a good number of models each even if some are crammed into the normal Aeldari codex.

 

Give us Guard regiments back outside their big 3 (Cadians, Krieg and Catachan).

 

Introduce DarkMech since Vashtorr and their range in LI are a thing.

 

But those are just my unrealistic wishes.

Or they condense everything into a single book, and charge 20%-30% more for it, and every every legion is represented 

[TheMawr]

2 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Are you sure? I feel pretty confident that when 10 released with indexes they introduced several units like their psyker, the exoskeleton suits, and the engineer guy.

 

These where 100% all part of the initial launch release, if I was behind pc I'd add the evidence.

 

Only thing they got later where both kill teams; Upgrade sprue vs Beastmen around the end of 9th edition and the pioneers on foot vs GSC brood brothers last year, as well as 2 LE models.. I think both where 2023 but im not 100% certain there.

 

4 hours ago, Jscarlos18 said:

Never though about it that way. But you may be onto something. Like you said, its really weird they left those months empty.

 

If 11th is more of a 10.5 edition that would be neat.

 

I just think eldar and guard where supposed to be in those 4 months, and got delayed for whatever reason That would make 48 total kits for 2024 , wich is roughly the same number of kits 40k has gotten every year before that ( not counting the starterset and seperate rebox of those in the starterset ) but who knows.

 

I doubt that if we get a new edition this year it wasnt planned since at least 10th edition launch it would be this year, I dont think anything is pulled forward by almost a year. While many releases are relatively "flexible" I think editions are a relatively solid pinned and planned thing. 

 

To add, Interestingly, if the "roadmap" is all the codexes that's left for this edition, then still their early 10th edition claim that every faction shown on the collage get something is true.. while votan and drukhari never got their codex and thus no token miniature release, both of them got a kill team release early in the edition.

 

I saw on tga I think that in some GW report it was said that GW planned something bold for 40k in 2025.. I dont see it mentioned here so I assume it's a Chinese whisper thing, or has anyone read something to the same extent but didn't think much of it ? As it's maybe a very important element to this topic if it has been said openly.

[ZeroWolf]

26 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

These where 100% all part of the initial launch release, if I was behind pc I'd add the evidence.

 

Only thing they got later where both kill teams; Upgrade sprue vs Beastmen around the end of 9th edition and the pioneers on foot vs GSC brood brothers last year, as well as 2 LE models.. I think both where 2023 but im not 100% certain there.

 

 

I just think eldar and guard where supposed to be in those 4 months, and got delayed for whatever reason That would make 48 total kits for 2024 , wich is roughly the same number of kits 40k has gotten every year before that ( not counting the starterset and seperate rebox of those in the starterset ) but who knows.

 

I doubt that if we get a new edition this year it wasnt planned since at least 10th edition launch it would be this year, I dont think anything is pulled forward by almost a year. While many releases are relatively "flexible" I think editions are a relatively solid pinned and planned thing. 

 

To add, Interestingly, if the "roadmap" is all the codexes that's left for this edition, then still their early 10th edition claim that every faction shown on the collage get something is true.. while votan and drukhari never got their codex and thus no token miniature release, both of them got a kill team release early in the edition.

 

I saw on tga I think that in some GW report it was said that GW planned something bold for 40k in 2025.. I dont see it mentioned here so I assume it's a Chinese whisper thing, or has anyone read something to the same extent but didn't think much of it ? As it's maybe a very important element to this topic if it has been said openly.

Can't say I've heard of that last part. But then again, I didn't go through the report myself just looking at talk about it here.

[Dark Shepherd]

7 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

There's talk about it being a clean up of 10th rather than anything drastically new. Don't know if that's speculation or rumours though. If it's true, might mean no narrative end of edition campaign thus no Russ.

 

If I may speculate, the shortened life span of 10th might be down to it's own strange development. We know from evidence that development of 10th wasn't smooth and that from the beginning, it may have been an extension of 9th till something changed late in the day and we got a full reboot. What if it happened so late that they simply didn't have time to implement everything they wanted so kicked out the door what they did have. Then decided to "patch" 10th with a slightly earlier 11th (6 months or so earlier). In essence, 11th edition would take it to the rule set they fully wanted 10th to be.

 

Of course I accept there's glaring issues with this theory (amother could be they simply don't expect a HH 3.0 box to bring in the money like 40k can)

 

But it is really strange that they'd even consider lessening the already tight 3 year cycle. Especially since it'll leave a noticable gap for next years financials.

A tidy up edition/move to .5 editions would fit in with a move or push for app/subscription based rules model (or option) and W+ animations moving to Amazon (take that Foilrak)

 

And GW get to sell a big launch box of marines every 2 years with super duper economy of scale

[ThePenitentOne]

Moving to God-aligned books for Legions, releasing the fourth Traitor Primarch, and a brand new faction in EC IS a big thing, and I'm pretty sure that's the big thing they were refering to.

 

I hope it's a 10.5 regardless of whether or not it comes early, but I really want everyone to have a dex before the edition switches, and Drukhari need more help than many other factions. Until they get what they need, all talk of Marines "Needing" anything is going to send me into a fit of rage, even though I understand that Marine players want their subfactions snowflakes, and I do admit that if ANY of the factions I love could EVER get subfaction models in Gw's "Marines are special" business model, I'd be excited about them too.

 

 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

14 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

Moving to God-aligned books for Legions, releasing the fourth Traitor Primarch, and a brand new faction in EC IS a big thing, and I'm pretty sure that's the big thing they were refering to.

 

I hope it's a 10.5 regardless of whether or not it comes early, but I really want everyone to have a dex before the edition switches, and Drukhari need more help than many other factions. Until they get what they need, all talk of Marines "Needing" anything is going to send me into a fit of rage, even though I understand that Marine players want their subfactions snowflakes, and I do admit that if ANY of the factions I love could EVER get subfaction models in Gw's "Marines are special" business model, I'd be excited about them too.

 

 

If Mawr got the wording correct he said bold not big.

big difference imho