11th edition starter speculation.

[firestorm40k]

21 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

x10 Tactical Intercessors: I would love the full kit to allow for one model per five models be able to take one Special Weapon (Pyreblaster, Plasma Incinerator, Melta Rifle, Grav Rifle, Neo-Volkite Caliver) OR one Tacticus Heavy Weapon (Pyrecannon, Heavy Bolter, Super-Frag/Krak, Heavy Plasma Incinerator, Las-Cannon, Accelerator Autocannon).

I've been thinking for a while that GW are very likely to make a new Tactical Squad next edition - either all Primaris, or scaled up sculpts. Same for Devastators. I certainly hope they do - I'd love to see some Mark 7 and 8 armoured Marines resculpted to the 'modern' scale of 40k miniatures 

[Karhedron]

I am wondering if rescaled MK7 is more likely to turn up in the HH range.

 

As for a Primaris tactical squad, I am not sure if the concept is still relevant. We no longer have to worry about Troop tax. Is it worth worrying about a single plasma gun or Flamer when we can field multiple squads of Hellblasters or Infernus Marines.

 

I quite like Heavy Bolters in Heavy Intercessor and Sternguard squads as they compliment the firepower of the rest of the squad. Would a single melta shot or missile add much to the capability of the squad? I am not sure. 

[CL_Mission]

I'd expect to see upscaled MK.VII in the HH range, maybe with some kind of post-heresy expansion. For tactical Intercessors I imagine we'll see something like Sternguard or the recent Space Wolf models where it's like MK.X armour with elements and helmets of older patterns.

Even if it's not the most decisive thing I don't think it would hurt too much throw a special weapon or two into a Intercessor squad, might just the squad a little extra oomf or it might shine more in smaller games or in something like Boarding Action.

 

Also I saw something mentioned on the previous page about White Scars Intercessors being spotted with melta-guns. I believe this is the image people are talking about and they White Scars are Sternguard with combi-weapons not Intercessors.

[ZeroWolf]

Yeah, I see redone intercessors being mainly to sprinkle more previous armour marks in, ensuring a healthy mix. Not sure they'd do a mix of special/heavy weapons but this is GW we're talking about. They could ho either way 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

10 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

I know what you mean. I think that would make more sense with shorter range heavy weapons like multimeltas. Autocannons have such long range that they wouldn't seem to need such movement. I would quite like a squad with Lastalons though. 

They could always nerf the range on their autocannons.

but an option between accelerator autocannons and las talons would be pretty cool.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

16 hours ago, Karhedron said:

I am wondering if rescaled MK7 is more likely to turn up in the HH range.

 

As for a Primaris tactical squad, I am not sure if the concept is still relevant. We no longer have to worry about Troop tax. Is it worth worrying about a single plasma gun or Flamer when we can field multiple squads of Hellblasters or Infernus Marines.

 

I quite like Heavy Bolters in Heavy Intercessor and Sternguard squads as they compliment the firepower of the rest of the squad. Would a single melta shot or missile add much to the capability of the squad? I am not sure. 

What’s the difference in average damage potential between a bolt rifle and a melta rifle?

thats the amount of capability a single gun would add to the squad overall. Add it to the AGL instead of replacing it, it can provide some decent threat to medium armor and heavy infantry.

edit

may not be much of a difference for one squad, but on 3 squads or 6 squads that adds up

Edited June 1 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Dark Shepherd]

Last 3 boxes have all had at least 2 new brand new marine characters, I hope though its biker techmarine or jump librarian rather than brand brand new

[WrathOfTheLion]

11 hours ago, Karhedron said:

I am wondering if rescaled MK7 is more likely to turn up in the HH range.

 

As for a Primaris tactical squad, I am not sure if the concept is still relevant. We no longer have to worry about Troop tax. Is it worth worrying about a single plasma gun or Flamer when we can field multiple squads of Hellblasters or Infernus Marines.

 

I quite like Heavy Bolters in Heavy Intercessor and Sternguard squads as they compliment the firepower of the rest of the squad. Would a single melta shot or missile add much to the capability of the squad? I am not sure. 

I think we'll likely see MK VII at some point in 30k, especially if they expand any into more direct SoT/early Scouring. I'm looking forward to seeing it if so, a 20-man block of MK VII marines with a vexillas and all will be an interesting sight.

 

They've been huge on some of the nostalgia stuff, and I really wouldn't be surprised for them to just drop in a new tactical/devastator squad.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

Chapter Master Valrak has posted a new video on this topic:

 

Rumoured marine contents:

• Tactical Squad
• Land Speeder
• Flame/Meltra Dread
• "Ranged Orientated" Captain/Leader - Descriped as a devastator leader perhaps with a heavy weapon.
• Possibly Vanguard Veterans - These might drop with 10th ed. SM Codex 2.0

I think it's now more than likely Assault Terminators drop with the new 10th ed. Codex. I think they'll be more in the box than is stated above. Almost certainly more characters. Two vehicles is interesting. Land Speeder and not storm speeder makes me think it could be the scout transport Land Speeder, Valrak says the same.

 

Thoughts?

 

[TheMawr]

3 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Chapter Master Valrak has posted a new video on this topic:

 

Rumoured marine contents:

• Tactical Squad
• Land Speeder
• Flame/Meltra Dread
• "Ranged Orientated" Captain/Leader - Descriped as a devastator leader perhaps with a heavy weapon.
• Possibly Vanguard Veterans - These might drop with 10th ed. SM Codex 2.0

I think it's now more than likely Assault Terminators drop with the new 10th ed. Codex. I think they'll be more in the box than is stated above. Almost certainly more characters. Two vehicles is interesting. Land Speeder and not storm speeder makes me think it could be the scout transport Land Speeder, Valrak says the same.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

I doubt the dread and the speeder will be both in the box though, more likely one of the two is part of the accompanying releasewave. ( maybe even as a token launchwave ETB kit hence confusing the rumor source, although last release didnt have any beyond whats also in the box I believe ? same for AoS, so they might have stopped doing that.)

 

Id would want to say that if the box has a ranged oriented leader then there has to be a ranged oriented unit for him to lead as well.. however, thats one thing thats definitely not a given for GW. A box full of assault stuff and nothing the leader can lead seems totally plausible XD And ofcourse ranged orientated could be an add to tacticals as well.

[DemonGSides]

It was just last edition we got the Apothecary Biologis in a box that had nothing he could attach to, in the edition that they brought back attaching to squads, so a totally normal GW Non-bo to have a ranged leader with nothing to lead.

I would expect at least one more character for the Space Marine side as well.

[Karhedron]

19 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

I would expect at least one more character for the Space Marine side as well.

 

The last 3 boxes have had 3/4 SM Characters so I agree that there feels like there will be more. Not that I dispute anything Valrak has posted, but I think that this is only part of a bigger picture.

[TheMawr]

21 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

It was just last edition we got the Apothecary Biologis in a box that had nothing he could attach to, in the edition that they brought back attaching to squads, so a totally normal GW Non-bo to have a ranged leader with nothing to lead.

I would expect at least one more character for the Space Marine side as well.

 

Thats exactly the one I was refering to XD ( that and apparently there is a similar issue in the Imperial guard combat patrol )

And absolutely, I'd say at least two more is likely..

-- Dark Imperium had Gravis captain, Ancient and 2 lieutenants
-- Indomitus had Bladeguard captain, lieutenant, ancient, the justicar (?) and a chaplain
-- Leviathan had the Apothecary biologis, Terminator captain, Terminator librarian and phobos one.

Id think at least a Captain, Lieutenant and "specialist" is very likely.

 

Let me dig up this and blatantly self-promote this digiconvertguess I made up last year in a previous incarnation of the topic :

 

Though I should make a new one.. two even, one with the Speeder as centrepiece and one with flamer dread XD ( if it is indeed a scout speeder in the starterbox, I do expect scouts could be the theme where half the rest doesnt fit to ( like terminators last time.) if its the flamer dread I think it might be the odd one out.)

 

Devestators reimagined as a scout squad ? Probably doesnt work for the lore ? ( I dont know alot of specific on spacemarine squads and their connection to their equipment ) 

[Karhedron]

If there is a speeder variant with transport capacity, that seems less likely to come in the start set simply on the basis that we recently got new Scouts so I don't see them being likely in the edition release box.