Codex Salamanders?

[Gorechilde]

Part of the LVO reveal. On the horizon we have Grey Knights, Space Wolves, Chaos Knights, and Salamanders?  Is Vulkan about to resurface after all?

[mecanojavi99]

That's Black Templars, not Space Wolves tho.

 

About the Salamanders, I have the personal theory that's going to be a single "Codex Compliant Chapters Supplement" book, with all the normal chapters rolled into it and some of the rumoured redone characters coming with it (Lysander and He'Stan among them).

 

I may be wrong and it's a standalone Salamanders supplement, but I have the distinct feeling that going forwards only the special chapters will get that treatment.

Edited 13 hours ago by mecanojavi99

[NTaW]

While I would celebrate First Founding supplements, aren't all those characters already included in the SM book? Seems odd to double up entries, or leave Chapter Masters in the core book instead of their Chapter's supplement.

 

What units could be added, or could this be something more akin to First Founding upgrade sprues?

[Indy Techwisp]

As @mecanojavi99 has stated, that Salamanders picture is most likely standing in for the Codex Compliant Chapters book.

A.k.a the rumored Space Marine Codex 2.

[Lord Marshal]

Weren't there rumours floating around a few months ago that the various First Founding chapters would be getting supplements and upgrades again (ALA end of 8th) or did I imagine that?

[jaxom]

Rules sell books. The characters are in the existing codex. So maybe crusade material or detachments? Or units like the Hounds of Morkai that can be made using existing kits and an upgrade sprue? Or new characters?

Edited 12 hours ago by jaxom

[Redcomet]

2 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

Weren't there rumours floating around a few months ago that the various First Founding chapters would be getting supplements and upgrades again (ALA end of 8th) or did I imagine that?

I hope not. Would bloat an otherwise bloated codex work load

[Indy Techwisp]

2 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

Weren't there rumours floating around a few months ago that the various First Founding chapters would be getting supplements and upgrades again (ALA end of 8th) or did I imagine that?

 

Valrak is the source of those.

Apparently coming alongside an update to Assault Terminators, Vanguard Veterans and Outriders (and something else but it's slipped my mind currently).

[Northern Walker]

I wonder if they're moving towards the final great leap to primaris. I would be very, very sad to see the rhino-chassis vehicles go. I do wonder if the vehicles will cross their own rubicon and get some stubbers slapped on them.

[LSM]

If they were to give one more Space Marine chapter it's own book, it would be fitting for it to be Salamanders. They were with Black Templars in Codex: Armageddon.

 

But... my gut says they're standing in for themselves + Raven Guard + Iron Hands + Imperial Fists + White Scars.

[jaxom]

45 minutes ago, Northern Walker said:

I wonder if they're moving towards the final great leap to primaris. I would be very, very sad to see the rhino-chassis vehicles go. I do wonder if the vehicles will cross their own rubicon and get some stubbers slapped on them.

I think it may be part of the grand plan to distinct Chaos Marines vs Loyalist. One uses older, corrupted equipment with a clear link to the HH model line and the other is Future Astartes.

[Chapter Master Valrak]

53 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Valrak is the source of those.

Apparently coming alongside an update to Assault Terminators, Vanguard Veterans and Outriders (and something else but it's slipped my mind currently).

 
I never said codexes, I said models.

[Subtleknife]

My view is either everyone should be in one book ala HH. Or all first founding get a supplement. Hopefully this means they went the supplement route.

 

I think as well GW could have managed this whole situation a lot better through 8th and onwards. Over 8th each first founding should have got 1 chapter master model. Then 9th could have been a secondary special character that fits that first founding. So Scars could be a bike character, iron hands a tech priest etc. Then over tenth units could be expanded etc.

 

The approach they took just leaves some first founding chapters out in the cold which isn't really fair imo.

Edited 11 hours ago by Subtleknife

[Robbienw]

23 minutes ago, jaxom said:

I think it may be part of the grand plan to distinct Chaos Marines vs Loyalist. One uses older, corrupted equipment with a clear link to the HH model line and the other is Future Astartes.

If there ever was such a grand plan, it was sunk in 2023 by the new terminator kit 

[Indy Techwisp]

27 minutes ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

 I never said codexes, I said models.

 

Models is what I meant with that, my mistake.

[Tokugawa]

45 minutes ago, jaxom said:

I think it may be part of the grand plan to distinct Chaos Marines vs Loyalist. One uses older, corrupted equipment with a clear link to the HH model line and the other is Future Astartes.

GW don't want you buy only 1 box of models and use it in both SM and CSM.

 

GW don't want you buy only 1 box of models and use it in both 30K and 40K, too.

 

So GW need to differentiate marine products in ~3 ways, and they already been doing that. CSM went mutated way, Primaris loyalists went "tacticool" way, and 30K stay in "original" Mark 2-6.

[siegfriedfr]

CSM and al could have easily access to some of the HH units if there wasn't such a hard-on competition between main studio/specialist studio.

 

Instead we will have to wait for 40k specific units in future releases (thousand sons say hello).

[WrathOfTheLion]

I would prefer a single book to include Salamanders, Iron Hands, etc. in vs bespoke supplements, simply because as we saw with 8E to 9E, it's not really sustainable to add six more books. So if they had a single book that included them, that's much more likely to persist as a long-term solution.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

I'd be okay with that.

[Dr. Clock]

It'll be interesting to see if the Sallies image corresponds to a book release alongside the rumoured character minis. While obviously the 'in colour' images correspond directly to codexes, I wouldn't necessarily assume that each of the 'preview images' in black and white correspond to distinct new rules books.

 

I just don't know how many rules they'd need to include to make a new book decent value for me, noting that I play oldmarine Sallies and a compliant Scars successor for Primaris... But If there's at least 1 new detachment for each of the characters rumoured I'll be considering it, especially if there's an actually good 'Lysander/Terminators' detachment for my 30 terminators list, and/or if the Iron Hands one is a proper treadhead detachment.

 

It's perverse to think that I'm actually more interested in a broader First Founding release than a narrow Salamanders one, since any Primaris models may be a pass from me. I have added the new terminators and Ballistus to Sallies since those fit oldmarines just fine, but other stuff I've added has all been Heresy minis (landraider and Leviathan Dread) because that actually matches the 3rd ed. vibe they've still got lol.

 

Still - I'll still add new TH/SS terminators to Sallies in a heartbeat... and if the image is an indication of Vulkan becoming a Gravis character, I will use that as an opportunity to paint some Salamanders Relic Thallaxi with melta to proxy Eradicators, and my Vulkan will be a rebased and freshened up metal servo harness techmarine instead of Primaris version.

 

I guess it's conceivable that this heralds new 'bespoke units' other than unique characters for Sallies or others, but I can't imagine there's a great business case for saying 'the new speeder is only for Scars' or whatever. Indeed I would be surprised if any new non-Unique units get paywalled outside the SM Codex - only thing rumoured as a 'net-new data-sheet' is the speeder, so they'd be foolish to arbitrarily remove Assault Terminators and Van Vets and new Outriders from the old 'dex right?

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Tokugawa said:

GW don't want you buy only 1 box of models and use it in both SM and CSM.

 

GW don't want you buy only 1 box of models and use it in both 30K and 40K, too.

 

So GW need to differentiate marine products in ~3 ways, and they already been doing that. CSM went mutated way, Primaris loyalists went "tacticool" way, and 30K stay in "original" Mark 2-6.

And I will continue to defy GW via making my Marines my own way and running whatever codex I please. 

[Nephaston]

6 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Valrak is the source of those.

Apparently coming alongside an update to Assault Terminators, Vanguard Veterans and Outriders (and something else but it's slipped my mind currently).

Iirc some form of speeder.

[jimbo1701]

Probably just a representative image suggesting there is a wave release coming for codex space marines with a salamander specific model as part of that. Valrak has spoken of he’Stan, Lysander, a raven guard character, white scar bike character and iron hands terminator character*. In addition to this, assault terminators, vanguard, MPK outriders and a speeder variant (plus a raven guard unit iirc) are mentioned. 

 

As it stands there are no current rumours I am aware of that state a 2.0 codex but with several new units rumoured I guess the rules for these have to be published somewhere, either WHC or a 2.0 book.  
 

* I find it hard to believe with this lineup that the ultramarines will be left out, unless they count Titus as their release. Sicarius?

Edited 6 hours ago by jimbo1701

[Lord Marshal]

30 minutes ago, jimbo1701 said:

* I find it hard to believe with this lineup that the ultramarines will be left out, unless they count Titus as their release. Sicarius?

 

Maybe Primaris Cassius? Fourth Tyrannic War and all that. Iirc he's gone from the new Deathwatch Index too.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Lord Marshal

[Indy Techwisp]

1 hour ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

Maybe Primaris Cassius? Fourth Tyrannic War and all that. Iirc he's gone from the new Deathwatch Index too.

 

Cato Sicarius has no model you can buy, but has stats that imply he's a Primaris Marine.

If anyone for UM is getting a model it's him.