Codex Salamanders?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

47 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

And now those characters are just getting attached to squads with arbitrary rules for how it works!

 

People are going to try and buff the most elite units no matter what. The difference is that, with auras, commanders are actually commanding an army (albeit in a restricted aura). The whole "I don't understand you because you're in a different squad" was always bad writing. 

It’s nothing about ‘I don’t understand you’ that’s just an intentionally obtuse view of things.

 

it makes 0 sense for a captain in gravis armor to be leading a phobos unit.

Doesn’t really make sense for a tacticus armored captain to lead a gravis unit.

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, ThaneOfTas said:

As much as I adore the Judicar in both design and concept, I really just cannot see him sticking around long term, he feels like a prime example of gratuitous range bloat and when his bundled sprue goes out of production I can see his datasheet going with him.

I mean, what is he but another Champion style model to buff units? There's technically no entry for that now when the other one is locked to Company Heroes. 

4 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

It’s nothing about ‘I don’t understand you’ that’s just an intentionally obtuse view of things.

 

it makes 0 sense for a captain in gravis armor to be leading a phobos unit.

Doesn’t really make sense for a tacticus armored captain to lead a gravis unit.

Okay, but why? Are you saying Marine operations never overlap?

[DemonGSides]

Plus Space Marine 2 literally has a Phobos Captain ordering around all manner of space Marines.

 

But I just think "Phobos Chaplain" is silly, as would be gravis chaplain.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

9 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

I mean, what is he but another Champion style model to buff units? There's technically no entry for that now when the other one is locked to Company Heroes. 

Okay, but why? Are you saying Marine operations never overlap?

It makes no sense for a squad meant for stealth and mobility being led by someone in the least stealthy and least mobile armor type.

 

it makes no sense for a leader to wear subpar protection while leading a unit designed to have extra protection to do very dangerous frontline roles.

 

It would be like a captain in an abrams tank leading a unit of SEALs.

 

or a col. in a humvee leading a squadron of abrams.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

57 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

Plus Space Marine 2 literally has a Phobos Captain ordering around all manner of space Marines.

 

But I just think "Phobos Chaplain" is silly, as would be gravis chaplain.

Difference from giving orders, and directly leading.

 

a snipe CPO in the navy can give orders to topsiders, but it wouldn’t make sense for a nuke chief to be actively leading gunner’s mates in a reloading operation.

 

just like a SEAL CPO can order nukes around but would make no sense to be leading an evolution involving a nuclear power plant.

[Special Officer Doofy]

I think space marine players are impossible to please. Ex: Dark angels players telling salamander players they are not special enough to warrant their own book but somehow they are. It's not like in rogue trader everyone was glamoring for dark angels, blood angels and spacewolves. In second edition GW told everyone that the angels and wolves are special and made their own books for them. In the case of what came first, the chicken (demand for dark angels, blood angels and spacewolves) or the egg (GW just printing different books with extra characters and kits and telling you they're special so buy it), the egg definitely came first. They could have easily made 3 of the other Legions get their own books and killed off 90% of the angels and wolves in the drop site massacre and instead we would have dark angels player wanting their own supplement and salamander players telling them they are not special enough.

 

The demand for space marines were always going to be slightly higher than the other factions because 40k is basically knights in space, and space marines are the knights. But GW has ALWAYS supported space marines more, with more models, rules, kits, supplements, upgrade sprues, sub faction support, novels, merchandise, everything. They inflated the demand very early in the hobby and it spiraled out of control. You guys are in every starter box and often get multiple releases every edition, but it's never enough. Now you guys need chaplains in 4-5 different armor types? Reminds me of the kid that is at another kids birthday party that cries and gets his own presents. This thread has been a wild read. You know who doesn't even have a drop pod, regardless if it fits dreadnaughts, is about to be replaced with another one or looks like older or newer marine technology? Chaos space marines.

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

It makes no sense for a squad meant for stealth and mobility being led by someone in the least stealthy and least mobile armor type.

 

it makes no sense for a leader to wear subpar protection while leading a unit designed to have extra protection to do very dangerous frontline roles.

 

It would be like a captain in an abrams tank leading a unit of SEALs.

 

or a col. in a humvee leading a squadron of abrams.

So you're saying Incursors are incapable of being shouted to inspiration by a Chaplain? 

[HeadlessCross]

35 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

You know who doesn't even have a drop pod, regardless if it fits dreadnaughts, is about to be replaced with another one or looks like older or newer marine technology? Chaos space marines.

They did, but GW decided that complaints about FW not focusing on xenos meant they were supposed to stop all FW support for the other armies. 

[Tacitus]

50 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

I think space marine players are impossible to please. Ex: Dark angels players telling salamander players they are not special enough to warrant their own book but somehow they are. It's not like in rogue trader everyone was glamoring for dark angels, blood angels and spacewolves. In second edition GW told everyone that the angels and wolves are special and made their own books for them. In the case of what came first, the chicken (demand for dark angels, blood angels and spacewolves) or the egg (GW just printing different books with extra characters and kits and telling you they're special so buy it), the egg definitely came first. They could have easily made 3 of the other Legions get their own books and killed off 90% of the angels and wolves in the drop site massacre and instead we would have dark angels player wanting their own supplement and salamander players telling them they are not special enough.

 

The demand for space marines were always going to be slightly higher than the other factions because 40k is basically knights in space, and space marines are the knights. But GW has ALWAYS supported space marines more, with more models, rules, kits, supplements, upgrade sprues, sub faction support, novels, merchandise, everything. They inflated the demand very early in the hobby and it spiraled out of control. You guys are in every starter box and often get multiple releases every edition, but it's never enough. Now you guys need chaplains in 4-5 different armor types? Reminds me of the kid that is at another kids birthday party that cries and gets his own presents. This thread has been a wild read. You know who doesn't even have a drop pod, regardless if it fits dreadnaughts, is about to be replaced with another one or looks like older or newer marine technology? Chaos space marines.

Who said they weren't special enough?  How many Salamander Only Datasheets are there?  How many Salamander only rules?  Nobody said they weren't special enough, they said they weren't fleshed out enough.  Two Special Characters, zero special units, zero special detachments, zero special rules.  The Salamander's Codex Supplement is one page long plus bonus fluff.  That's a reason to write a Black Library book not a codex supplement.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

13 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

I mean, what is he but another Champion style model to buff units? There's technically no entry for that now when the other one is locked to Company Heroes. 

Okay, but why? Are you saying Marine operations never overlap?

You’re just being intentionally obtuse now, you have to be trolling.

theres no way you are legitimately as thick as you’re pretending to be.

36 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

So you're saying Incursors are incapable of being shouted to inspiration by a Chaplain? 

That’s not remotely what I said. I said absolutely nothing about chaplains.