Subtleknife Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Alternis said: Valraks latest rumour video on the topic is talking about imperial fists - new lysander slamanders - a possible new Vulkan he’stan ravenguard - a new HQ no details on what exactly iron hands - a new HQ (possibly terminator) White scars - new HQ on hoverbike (possibly connected to the rumour engine picture we saw of that engine vent that looks like something off a Repulsor) I do hope the good chapter master himself doesn’t mind I took the liberty to mention it here before he did lol No Ultramarine love Yes I realise we get quite a lot usually Edited January 21 by Subtleknife Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 38 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said: It SOUNDS like a sidegrade but it isn't in reality. I know there's some people that are trying to make Blood Angels detachments work without the special units, but I've seen almost no success yet. There has been some success with LAG without any BA units. Innes Wilson took 2nd place at the Nottingham Super Major (375 players) a couple of weeks ago. Here is his list. CHARACTERS Captain (80 points), Warlord 1x Plasma pistol Power fist Captain (105 points) Plasma pistol 1x Power fist Enhancement: Rage-fuelled Warrior Librarian in Phobos Armour (70 points) BATTLELINE Assault Intercessor Squad (75 points) 1x Hand flamer 1x Power fist Intercessor Squad (80 points) 1x Astartes grenade launcher Power fist Intercessor Squad (80 points) 1x Astartes grenade launcher Power fist DEDICATED TRANSPORTS Impulsor (80 points) 1x Shield Dome Impulsor (80 points) 1x Shield Dome OTHER DATASHEETS Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (90 points) 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (90 points) 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (90 points) 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist Desolation Squad (200 points) 1x Vengor launcher 4x Superkrak rocket launcher Incursor Squad (80 points) 1x Haywire Mine Infiltrator Squad (100 points) 1x Helix Gauntlet 1x Infiltrator Comms Array Infiltrator Squad (100 points) 1x Helix Gauntlet 1x Infiltrator Comms Array Reiver Squad (80 points) Scout Squad (70 points) 1x Missile launcher 1x Scout sniper rifle Sternguard Veteran Squad (100 points) 1x Power fist 1x Sternguard heavy bolter Vindicator (175 points) Vindicator (175 points) https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-10th-excessive-krumpin-pt-1/ HeadlessCross and Cenobite Terminator 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorechilde Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 On 1/18/2025 at 8:20 AM, roryokane said: That’s what legions were for - oh yeah, there IS a stealthy chapter of the Iron Hands legion… Who? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadlessCross Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 21 minutes ago, Karhedron said: There has been some success with LAG without any BA units. Innes Wilson took 2nd place at the Nottingham Super Major (375 players) a couple of weeks ago. Here is his list. CHARACTERS Captain (80 points), Warlord 1x Plasma pistol Power fist Captain (105 points) Plasma pistol 1x Power fist Enhancement: Rage-fuelled Warrior Librarian in Phobos Armour (70 points) BATTLELINE Assault Intercessor Squad (75 points) 1x Hand flamer 1x Power fist Intercessor Squad (80 points) 1x Astartes grenade launcher Power fist Intercessor Squad (80 points) 1x Astartes grenade launcher Power fist DEDICATED TRANSPORTS Impulsor (80 points) 1x Shield Dome Impulsor (80 points) 1x Shield Dome OTHER DATASHEETS Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (90 points) 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (90 points) 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (90 points) 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist Desolation Squad (200 points) 1x Vengor launcher 4x Superkrak rocket launcher Incursor Squad (80 points) 1x Haywire Mine Infiltrator Squad (100 points) 1x Helix Gauntlet 1x Infiltrator Comms Array Infiltrator Squad (100 points) 1x Helix Gauntlet 1x Infiltrator Comms Array Reiver Squad (80 points) Scout Squad (70 points) 1x Missile launcher 1x Scout sniper rifle Sternguard Veteran Squad (100 points) 1x Power fist 1x Sternguard heavy bolter Vindicator (175 points) Vindicator (175 points) https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-10th-excessive-krumpin-pt-1/ Thanks for finding that. Nice to know it happened once at least. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArtilleryman Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 43 minutes ago, Karhedron said: There has been some success with LAG without any BA units. Innes Wilson took 2nd place at the Nottingham Super Major (375 players) a couple of weeks ago. Here is his list. CHARACTERS Captain (80 points), Warlord 1x Plasma pistol Power fist Captain (105 points) Plasma pistol 1x Power fist Enhancement: Rage-fuelled Warrior Librarian in Phobos Armour (70 points) BATTLELINE Assault Intercessor Squad (75 points) 1x Hand flamer 1x Power fist Intercessor Squad (80 points) 1x Astartes grenade launcher Power fist Intercessor Squad (80 points) 1x Astartes grenade launcher Power fist DEDICATED TRANSPORTS Impulsor (80 points) 1x Shield Dome Impulsor (80 points) 1x Shield Dome OTHER DATASHEETS Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (90 points) 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (90 points) 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (90 points) 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist Desolation Squad (200 points) 1x Vengor launcher 4x Superkrak rocket launcher Incursor Squad (80 points) 1x Haywire Mine Infiltrator Squad (100 points) 1x Helix Gauntlet 1x Infiltrator Comms Array Infiltrator Squad (100 points) 1x Helix Gauntlet 1x Infiltrator Comms Array Reiver Squad (80 points) Scout Squad (70 points) 1x Missile launcher 1x Scout sniper rifle Sternguard Veteran Squad (100 points) 1x Power fist 1x Sternguard heavy bolter Vindicator (175 points) Vindicator (175 points) https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-10th-excessive-krumpin-pt-1/ It’s crazy how many models you can fit in a space marine army these days. Iron Father Ferrum, Karhedron, Avf and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Techwisp Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Subtleknife said: No Ultramarine love Yes I realise we get quite a lot usually We could count Lt. Titus as the Ultramarines release? Subtleknife 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadlessCross Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said: We could count Lt. Titus as the Ultramarines release? I really wish he was more impressive with his rules. If he's just gonna carry a Chainsword at least make it AP-2 and/or 9 attacks. Cenobite Terminator 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 2 hours ago, Alternis said: Valraks latest rumour video on the topic is talking about imperial fists - new lysander slamanders - a possible new Vulkan he’stan ravenguard - a new HQ no details on what exactly iron hands - a new HQ (possibly terminator) White scars - new HQ on hoverbike (possibly connected to the rumour engine picture we saw of that engine vent that looks like something off a Repulsor) I do hope the good chapter master himself doesn’t mind I took the liberty to mention it here before he did lol He said in another vid there isnt a marine codex or supplement coming, just models... (I may be slightly and he just said hes heard zero about non model releases) Alternis 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Ex_Machina Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 I hope the Iron Hands Terminator character comes with an unique, ranged weapon. Looking into my collection there are at the moment four common Terminator Cpt. with standard loadouts. So having an exotic new weapon would be nice. Iron Father Ferrum and LSM 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CL_Mission Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 3 hours ago, Alternis said: Valraks latest rumour video on the topic is talking about imperial fists - new lysander slamanders - a possible new Vulkan he’stan ravenguard - a new HQ no details on what exactly iron hands - a new HQ (possibly terminator) White scars - new HQ on hoverbike (possibly connected to the rumour engine picture we saw of that engine vent that looks like something off a Repulsor) I do hope the good chapter master himself doesn’t mind I took the liberty to mention it here before he did lol Sounds like a nice selection. I don't collect those chapters but space marines are space marines and I'm sure I can jimmy them into one of my armies with the right sanding and shaving of details, I'd love for one of them to be in Gravis armour. It's also just nice to see those chapters get some attention. Alternis 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Knight Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) New Lysander is the model I'm personally most excited for. Hopefully he finally gets promoted to Chapter Master. The Iron Hand hero and the Grav Biker for the Scars are the most intriguing because they aren't just a glow up of existing characters. To Pedro Kantor and Sicarius - it would seem that their watch has ended. May the Bell of Lost Souls echo in their name. As for all these lists making use of divergent chapter rules and the improved Oath - hopefully GW nips that one in the bud asap! Edited January 21 by Orange Knight ZeroWolf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) On 1/21/2025 at 12:18 PM, TheArtilleryman said: It’s crazy how many models you can fit in a space marine army these days. It really is wild. My Space Marine collection used to be something like 7k in 9th edition depending on the wargear costs. Have not added it up for 10th edition, but looking at current army lists makes me think that number would come down significantly. Edited Friday at 06:40 PM by phandaal TheArtilleryman 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alternis Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Orange Knight said: New Lysander is the model I'm personally most excited for. Hopefully he finally gets promoted to Chapter Master. The Iron Hand hero and the Grav Biker for the Scars are the most intriguing because they aren't just a glow up of existing characters. To Pedro Kantor and Sicarius - it would seem that their watch has ended. May the Bell of Lost Souls echo in their name. As for all these lists making use of divergent chapter rules and the improved Oath - hopefully GW nips that one in the bud asap! Cato Sicarius is rumoured to be done and is ready, they just aren’t releasing him yet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said: I hope the Iron Hands Terminator character comes with an unique, ranged weapon. Looking into my collection there are at the moment four common Terminator Cpt. with standard loadouts. So having an exotic new weapon would be nice. I feel you, but amongst all armies it's rare for characters -- even named characters -- to get really powerful ranged weapons. Cross your fingers, I guess. Now while I believe Stronos is the most likely candidate, I'm also totally cool with the idea of a Helfather (or maybe a small squad of like 2 or 3) being an option. And those guys are depicted in lore as carrying multiple heavy weapons into battle. Shinespider, Cenobite Terminator and Deus_Ex_Machina 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, phandaal said: It really is wild. My Space Marine collection used to be something like 7k in 9th edition depending on the wargear costs (ooh he said the thing ). Have not added it up for 10th edition, but looking at current army lists makes me think that number would come down significantly. Please do; I’ve wondered something similar. It seems strange to me that a full Demi-Company with a lot of support is a 2K army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinespider Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 My only prayer for the Iron Hands character is that he be a traditionalist and not yet another reformer. phandaal, Iron Father Ferrum, skylerboodie and 3 others 1 1 3 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 4 hours ago, phandaal said: It really is wild. My Space Marine collection used to be something like 7k in 9th edition depending on the wargear costs (ooh he said the thing ). Have not added it up for 10th edition, but looking at current army lists makes me think that number would come down significantly. You'd be about the same. Things are about even; yes you'd probably have less points, but not an appreciable amount. Hammerfall Bunkers used to be 175 points, though. So if you were REALLY heavy on Fortifications, you might've gone down a lot but I think most units are within 10-25 points of where they were by the end of 9th, and if you compare to where a lot of SM were on release, it's pretty consistent throughout. Assault Ints are 10 points down from the 5 man between editions being compared. Eradicators are like, 20 points cheaper now. Things are definitely cheaper, but in the scale of a 2000 point game, it's like one more squad, maybe two if you're taking minimums. If you're like me, your collections is already almost 100 points up just on the vehicles. Boy howdy are flyers expensive in 10th. Edited January 22 by DemonGSides Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcomet Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 10 hours ago, TheArtilleryman said: It’s crazy how many models you can fit in a space marine army these days. Yeah it is bonkers. One of the main flaws of modern 40k in my eyes, is the army sizes Fire Golem, LSM and Avf 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 8 hours ago, Shinespider said: My only prayer for the Iron Hands character is that he be a traditionalist and not yet another reformer. Ha! No. "Old is bad" seems to be GW's refrain. Avf and Evil Eye 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 17 hours ago, Dark Shepherd said: He said in another vid there isnt a marine codex or supplement coming, just models... (I may be slightly and he just said hes heard zero about non model releases) That was my opinion, people asked if I heard of any books, I haven't but as I always say, I not the rumour messiah, lots of things happen that I don't hear about Edited January 22 by Chapter Master Valrak Dark Shepherd, LSM, ThaneOfTas and 1 other 2 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muck1ng Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, Chapter Master Valrak said: That was my opinion, people asked if I heard of any books, I haven't but as I always say, I not the rumour messiah, lots of things happen that I don't hear about He's not the Messiah he's just a very naughty boy. Dark Shepherd, RolandTHTG, skylerboodie and 8 others 10 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArtilleryman Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 11 hours ago, jaxom said: Please do; I’ve wondered something similar. It seems strange to me that a full Demi-Company with a lot of support is a 2K army. Not just Demi - you can actually field a whole 100-strong battle company plus 2 characters and a handful of vehicles for 2k. It’s not so much the change from 9th to 10th but the gradual changes over several editions. We’ve come a long way from this: 28 models and they still struggled to fit it into 1500 points. This same army in 10th would be 805 points. Edit: if anyone is interested, the ork army from the same battle report is now just over 1100 points, or thereabouts. So marine points values have gone down a lot more than orks by comparison. Edited January 22 by TheArtilleryman skylerboodie, LSM, phandaal and 3 others 2 2 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alternis Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 57 minutes ago, Chapter Master Valrak said: That was my opinion, people asked if I heard of any books, I haven't but as I always say, I not the rumour messiah, lots of things happen that I don't hear about Look how he denies he is the messiah, despite it all, see how humble he is? he must be the Lisan al Gaib phandaal, skylerboodie, Domhnall and 7 others 9 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 25 minutes ago, TheArtilleryman said: Not just Demi - you can actually field a whole 100-strong battle company plus 2 characters and a handful of vehicles for 2k. It’s not so much the change from 9th to 10th but the gradual changes over several editions. We’ve come a long way from this: 28 models and they still struggled to fit it into 1500 points. This same army in 10th would be 805 points. Oof, nice to know it’s not just that I’m getting older. Huh, I wonder if that was the pendulum swing: more units to track so simplify some of the rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArtilleryman Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 8 minutes ago, jaxom said: Oof, nice to know it’s not just that I’m getting older. Huh, I wonder if that was the pendulum swing: more units to track so simplify some of the rules. I don’t know. I just remember it was always my dream as a teenager to field an entire battle company, but now it’s just a regular army… LSM and jaxom 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385101-codex-salamanders/page/4/#findComment-6089557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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