Codex Salamanders?

[SalamandersBro]

Just new HQ models sounds lame. How hard is itto give them all a 3/4 man elite squad and/or a 5 man troop squad? GW likes money right?

[Flaherty]

Given there is no big launch box this year, save the new HH offering, my hunch is we see something similar to the Space Marine Battleforces of 2022. Feels like a great way to capitalize on the Space Marine II enthusiasm. Fingers crossed, they'll launch alongside the new characters Valrak has teased and a full-sized upgrade sprue along the lines of what the Black Templars, BA/DA have received. I hope we see the codex compliant chapters plus a few of the newer ones – Perhaps a candle-filled Sons of the Phoenix upgrade sprue to fight against the newly reborn Emperor's Children!

[jaxom]

1 hour ago, TheArtilleryman said:

I don’t know. I just remember it was always my dream as a teenager to field an entire battle company, but now it’s just a regular army…

Me too. I feel like it reinforces how puny normal Marines are, when a Company is considered a massive strategic asset and then it’s comparable to 2000 points of Guard or Orks. 

[HeadlessCross]

11 hours ago, Redcomet said:

Yeah it is bonkers. One of the main flaws of modern 40k in my eyes, is the army sizes

Big army sizes IS the only reason to play 40k. 40k isn't even GW's best ruleset, so you might as well embrace the spectacle of more models. Otherwise why not play a different game?

[jaxom]

45 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

so you might as well embrace the spectacle of more models. Otherwise why not play a different game?

I think that’s a great question for a discussion over in Amicus.

 

My apologies for derailing the thread.

[TheArtilleryman]

2 hours ago, jaxom said:

I think that’s a great question for a discussion over in Amicus.

 

My apologies for derailing the thread.

Made a topic here

 

 for further discussion

[Chapter Master Valrak]

23 hours ago, Flaherty said:

 Valrak has teased and a full-sized upgrade sprue 

 

That was speculation, I said I can see them re-doing the upgrade sprues to have things like Terminator upgrades.

[Scribe]

23 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Big army sizes IS the only reason to play 40k. 40k isn't even GW's best ruleset, so you might as well embrace the spectacle of more models. Otherwise why not play a different game?

 

That's what Apocalypse was for, it sucked only slightly more than the last several editions. 

[Orange Knight]

I think the Horus Heresy plays a part in this. There was a period between 7th and 8th editions where the Horus Heresy was almost as popular as main 40k.

 

And you know what GW saw? People were happy to lug around 4 thousand point armies and roll the dice.

[Scribe]

27 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

I think the Horus Heresy plays a part in this. There was a period between 7th and 8th editions where the Horus Heresy was almost as popular as main 40k.

 

And you know what GW saw? People were happy to lug around 4 thousand point armies and roll the dice.

 

Thats GW learning the wrong lesson.

 

What they should have understood is that people wanted to play in a system closer to 5th, and that the depth and variability in army design was preferred to 'play this formation we are pre-packaging, and have given OP rules' which 40K was at the time.

[Indy Techwisp]

5 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

Thats GW learning the wrong lesson.

 

What they should have understood is that people wanted to play in a system closer to 5th, and that the depth and variability in army design was preferred to 'play this formation we are pre-packaging, and have given OP rules' which 40K was at the time.

 

OK, but what was 5th edition like?

 

Seriously, what was it like.

It's been 17 years since then.

[Scribe]

6 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

OK, but what was 5th edition like?

 

Seriously, what was it like.

It's been 17 years since then.

 

Easier to get into, easier to set up and play, lower financial and time commitment, and better rules to support building an army 'your way' without locking you into whatever GW wanted to push older stock of.

 

Better.

[Emperor Ming]

14 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

OK, but what was 5th edition like?

5th was the golden age of 40k

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, Scribe said:

 

Thats GW learning the wrong lesson.

 

What they should have understood is that people wanted to play in a system closer to 5th, and that the depth and variability in army design was preferred to 'play this formation we are pre-packaging, and have given OP rules' which 40K was at the time.

You mean what they should've understood is YOU want to play a system closer to 5th. 

 

I'm guessing you hadn't even read the rules for the last iteration of Apocalypse. 

[Scribe]

9 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

You mean what they should've understood is YOU want to play a system closer to 5th. 

 

I'm guessing you hadn't even read the rules for the last iteration of Apocalypse. 

 

I couldn't tell you what the last edition that had Apocalypse is, as they turned 40K into Apocalypse anyway.

 

And no, not just me, all thos HH1 players who jumped ship DUE TO what 40K had become.

[ZeroWolf]

I think we're getting off topic here, especially devolving into "previous version of 40k is better" fight which only ever generates ill will.

 

I wonder if GW will make new astartes themed battleforces when these surface. In fact wasn't it a similar time in 9th editions cycle when they dropped the first set (which I believe were Imperial Fists, White Scars, Salamanders, Raven Guard and Iron Hands...Wait a minute...)

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

I remmber 5th edition being hated at the time.

 

Anyway, it would be cool to see something like those battle boxes again. 

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Scribe said:

 

I couldn't tell you what the last edition that had Apocalypse is, as they turned 40K into Apocalypse anyway.

 

And no, not just me, all thos HH1 players who jumped ship DUE TO what 40K had become.

Do you...even keep up with the game? Not even talking about playing games (you clearly don't) but know what general releases happen?

[Scribe]

Just now, HeadlessCross said:

Do you...even keep up with the game? Not even talking about playing games (you clearly don't) but know what general releases happen?

 

Quite a bit, way more than I should considering its state.

[Special Officer Doofy]

I mentioned the rumor of a new Vulkan He'stan to my coworker (he plays salamanders), and he was asking if he would be in gravis since adrax can join the infernus marines already and the only Primaris melta infantry is in gravis and there are the flame aggressors too that would love He'stan being able to join a squad. What do we think the chances are he would be in gravis? 

[HeadlessCross]

21 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

I mentioned the rumor of a new Vulkan He'stan to my coworker (he plays salamanders), and he was asking if he would be in gravis since adrax can join the infernus marines already and the only Primaris melta infantry is in gravis and there are the flame aggressors too that would love He'stan being able to join a squad. What do we think the chances are he would be in gravis? 

Not high since I'm sure GW wants him to still join Infernus and Company Heroes, and keep in mind his buff doesnt require him to be in any particular squad. My guess is there would just be an addition to let him join Aggressors, but that's super low odds. 

[ZeroWolf]

While I think he'd look cool in Gravis, I'm not expecting it. As Headless says all it would take is one line of text to allow him to still join gravis even in tacticus but apparently never shall armour marks miss

[Redcomet]

13 hours ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

I remmber 5th edition being hated at the time.

 

Anyway, it would be cool to see something like those battle boxes again. 

People were hella mad about busted codexes and Matt Ward. But generally as I remember 5th was well liked.

[Robbienw]

2 hours ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

I mentioned the rumor of a new Vulkan He'stan to my coworker (he plays salamanders), and he was asking if he would be in gravis since adrax can join the infernus marines already and the only Primaris melta infantry is in gravis and there are the flame aggressors too that would love He'stan being able to join a squad. What do we think the chances are he would be in gravis? 

 

Doubtful, most of redone heroes they have done in the last few years have looked similar to the old model design and/or classic art, with a few mk 10 features added to the armour.

Edited Friday at 09:31 AM by Robbienw

[Orange Knight]

2 hours ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

I mentioned the rumor of a new Vulkan He'stan to my coworker (he plays salamanders), and he was asking if he would be in gravis since adrax can join the infernus marines already and the only Primaris melta infantry is in gravis and there are the flame aggressors too that would love He'stan being able to join a squad. What do we think the chances are he would be in gravis? 

 

I am hopeful that more named heroes get upgraded to Gravis.

 

I was saying a few topics ago that Logan Grimnar would be awesome in Gravis, and the units he would be joining as a result would be more exciting. Vulkan in Gravis would make sense as it would be easier to apply his ability it to the same unit, but the way it currently works is also usable.