Codex Salamanders?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

On 1/25/2025 at 11:23 AM, Lord Marshal said:

 

It'll probably just be a "the Orks almost won but the Imperium pushed them back at great cost. It is currently a stalemate. Terra is rushing reinforcements to Armageddon but they may not hold out that long (they will)" like most other major named conflicts.

 

 

Idk.

they let chaos destroy cadia, and open the rift.

theres several prophesies about dark times, and fall of cadia, opening of the rift, loss of armeggedon, would all lead into that nicely.

[CaptainKolbasi]

On 1/17/2025 at 11:12 PM, Gorechilde said:

Part of the LVO reveal. On the horizon we have Grey Knights, Space Wolves, Chaos Knights, and Salamanders?  Is Vulkan about to resurface after all?

 

So, returning to the topic at hand. I know it's a fever-dream to imagine a divergent Codex: Salamanders, but I find a few things interesting here:

- Grey Knights, Black Templars and Chaos Knights: all armies lacking a current codex

- No Ultramarines: the poster boys are typically the default image for anything generic space marine, a specific Salamander strikes me as peculiar.

 

I'd argue that behind the Ultramarines (by default a popular army), Dark Angels, Blood Angels and [maybe] Space Wolves, Salamanders are among the most popular Chapters/Original Legions. The current absence of Salamander reveals in Horus Heresy suggests to me that possibly something is coming for 40k instead, so as not to dilute the pool or divert attention. They're quite popular in forums, game adaptions, among others. It just seems strange to me that a Salamander is used for generic releases, unless of course it's an 8th-edition supplement release. The alternative argument here beig that there's just a wave of Supplements, and Salamanders will be the first of the remaining Imperial Fists, White Scars, Raven Guard and Iron Hands. Particularly because Salamanders and IF were the last to receive Adrax Agatone/Tor Garadon in the 8th releases.

 

Let's argue for both.

 

At worst:

- Upscaled Vulkan He'Stan: I'm partial to this artwork, but I'm unsure if it's official

- Maybe Salamanders upgrade kit, on the lines of Templars from 9th, BA and DA this edition.

- Supplement rules (maybe something additional to Firestorm)/ battleline infernus marines?

 

At best:

- Codex: Salamanders, including 3x Detachments

- Vulkan [or at least, a teaser]

- Upscaled Vulkan He'stan

- Dedicated generic hero - probably a captain

- Unique elite unit - Pyroclasts? Firedrakes? Pyreguard?

- Upgrade kit

- Another character - Tu'Shan? Vel'Cona?

 

 

I know I'm strong on the hopium here, but let a man believe.

 

 

[Nephaston]

1 hour ago, CaptainKolbasi said:

It just seems strange to me that a Salamander is used for generic releases,

Because, if they used an Ultramarine image, the discourse would be way less productive. By using a Salamander they turned the discussion not only red hot, but also way less negative, though I would argue RG, IH, or WS would have had a similar effect.

 

We can be happy they didn't use IF in that roadmap, as Valrak would've gone supernova and turned the british isles into british craters.

[CaptainKolbasi]

2 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

Because, if they used an Ultramarine image, the discourse would be way less productive. By using a Salamander they turned the discussion not only red hot, but also way less negative, though I would argue RG, IH, or WS would have had a similar effect.

 

We can be happy they didn't use IF in that roadmap, as Valrak would've gone supernova and turned the british isles into british craters.

 

Fair, and I've probably fallen for the bait in that regard. Agreed on the Fists, lol.

 

I'll reiterate, though:

 

1 hour ago, CaptainKolbasi said:

I know I'm strong on the hopium here, but let a man believe.

 

[Nephaston]

24 minutes ago, CaptainKolbasi said:

I know I'm strong on the hopium here, but let a man believe.

Well it isn't completely unrealistic, just by dint of Nemesis Claw existing and Marines being the one faction that still bothers with subfactions.

 

It's only mildly unrealistic.

[ZeroWolf]

1 hour ago, Nephaston said:

Because, if they used an Ultramarine image, the discourse would be way less productive. By using a Salamander they turned the discussion not only red hot, but also way less negative, though I would argue RG, IH, or WS would have had a similar effect.

 

We can be happy they didn't use IF in that roadmap, as Valrak would've gone supernova and turned the british isles into british craters.

To be fair, they didn't use an Ultramarines image because Codex Space Marines exists 

 

Also Salamanders are rumoured to be to Hersey as they're supposed to be box boys alongside Iron Warriors (can't remember if it was rumoured to be Drop Site Massacre themed or if that was speculation).

[Nephaston]

14 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

Also Salamanders are rumoured to be to Hersey as they're supposed to be box boys alongside Iron Warriors (can't remember if it was rumoured to be Drop Site Massacre themed or if that was speculation).

While I also believe that rumour, Sallies being co-stars in a 30k box/starter wouldn't put them on the 40k roadmap.

[Wispy]

4 hours ago, CaptainKolbasi said:

At worst:

- Upscaled Vulkan He'Stan: I'm partial to this artwork, but I'm unsure if it's official

It's offfical, sorta. Black and white version of this piece was featured in Codex Space Marine, 5th Edition. Was in those times when they made characters and had art for them before having models. Ko'Sarro Khan too. The minis that came out afterwards didn't quite match the art. Funnily enough, Kor'Sarro's primaris model vibes this art much more then his first mini did.

 

Terrible zoomed out and cropped screenshot 

[ZeroWolf]

1 hour ago, Nephaston said:

While I also believe that rumour, Sallies being co-stars in a 30k box/starter wouldn't put them on the 40k roadmap.

That comment was more aimed at the poster above you who said about a lack of Salamanders in 30k.

 

Only reason I'd expect a book is if they run it as a supplement (guess they would have too?) And the release included the rumoured wave of generic space marine minis like multipart outriders, characters on bike etc etc.This would be on top of the characters that are coming. Now why use a Salamander picture? Because i believe they're probably most popular out of Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, Raven Guard and White Scars... Or maybe that was the first picture some one came across when putting the road map together. Neither answer would surprise me knowing GW! 

 

That being said, I do think Salamanders will get their own codex eventually, as i doubt they'd want one codex to contain five primarchs (unless its a big book of space marine chapters sort of like the Liber Astartes for 30k). Same goes for the Chaos legions like Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion.

[Jscarlos18]

3 hours ago, Nephaston said:

Well it isn't completely unrealistic, just by dint of Nemesis Claw existing and Marines being the one faction that still bothers with subfactions.

Isn't this the sad truth. GW will eventually, if not during this edition, give supplements to all Space Marine factions. More likely when their respective Primarchs return.

 

Even if I love Tyranids, I feel bad for fans of Drukhari and LoV that have to wait until Hive Mind knows when to receive their codex. And for Votann, their second wave too.

 

Certainly, using one of the other Chapters/Legions instead of an Ultramarine for it makes for a good way to get people talking even if that release is for "generic" SM. Looking at the rumours, they seem to imply this slot will be used mostly to refresh named characters.

 

Grey Knights apparently will just get an upgrade sprue for the Dreadknight but I can see them get a refresh in 11th to put them into scale with normal Terminators. Don't know what Black Templars and Chaos Knights could need.

Edited yesterday at 09:56 AM by Jscarlos18

[phandaal]

6 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

multipart outriders

 

That would be wild. We are pushing 5 years for these guys since the release of Indomitus, right?

[Mogger351]

4 minutes ago, phandaal said:

 

That would be wild. We are pushing 5 years for these guys since the release of Indomitus, right?

Even longer for the suppressors

[Dark Shepherd]

2 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

Even longer for the suppressors

Its one way to create demand

 

From Valraks latest vid, his sources tell him

 

Campaign Book

Datasheets for new character models in said book

No non divergent chapter supplements or marine 2.0 codex

New drop pod

Yes, new drop pod

[DemonGSides]

New drop pod would be sick if it actually has good rules. I've got two already but would happily field a new one!

[CL_Mission]

2 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

Even longer for the suppressors

Still got my fingers crossed for these guys arriving sometime.

 

[ZeroWolf]

I thought they'd moved away from needing to take multiple books like this, though i guess it won't be so bad if they're all app bound as well. New drop pods though? All in on that!

[Jukkiz]

new drop pod eh? Well that means it´s abit bigger or wider with 20% price increase.

Doubt they bring back dreadnought pods or those forge world exlusive deathwind/deathstorm pods

[Karhedron]

Drop Pods are about to cross the Rubicon! Part of the reason they don't see more use is that GW enforced squad sizes of 10 meaning you cannot fit a squad plus character in there. 

[Dark Shepherd]

1 hour ago, ZeroWolf said:

I thought they'd moved away from needing to take multiple books like this, though i guess it won't be so bad if they're all app bound as well. New drop pods though? All in on that!

I think its just datasheets (that may also be pdf's) rather than detachments/strats/full on rules

 

Hot take but I hope new drop pod has a capacity of 6, sized for 10 Primaris would be huuuge

[DemonGSides]

19 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

Drop Pods are about to cross the Rubicon! Part of the reason they don't see more use is that GW enforced squad sizes of 10 meaning you cannot fit a squad plus character in there. 

 

Yep, the only time I've used one recently was to drop 10 Infernus marines right around when the edition dropped.

I've thought about doing something like a Squad of Eliminators with a lord, the Lt that has Lone Op, and a Company of Heroes but it just kinda feels like a random assortment of stuff and not much of a coherent force.  Wonder if they'll go up to 12 spaces.

[Marshal Mittens]

I think we will be getting multipart infurnus or w/e the flame thrower intercessors are called troops, maybe with some other new kits, released with salamander decals and maybe someone other thab ultramarines for a supliment.   

[Evil Eye]

1 hour ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Hot take but I hope new drop pod has a capacity of 6, sized for 10 Primaris would be huuuge

Vehicles are almost never true scale; a Rhino capable of transporting 10 true-scaled/Primaris Marines would be gargantuan. And honestly, the existing drop pod would only really need the seats adjusting to fit Primaris scale Marines, there's plenty of vertical empty space in there.

[ZeroWolf]

46 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

Vehicles are almost never true scale; a Rhino capable of transporting 10 true-scaled/Primaris Marines would be gargantuan. And honestly, the existing drop pod would only really need the seats adjusting to fit Primaris scale Marines, there's plenty of vertical empty space in there.

Yeah this has always been the way, ever since Rogue Trader days. It was just a case of suspension of disbelief for the most part. Though I think the Necron Monolith had the right solution to that scale issue, just had a gateway to summon troops through 

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

15 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

Vehicles are almost never true scale; a Rhino capable of transporting 10 true-scaled/Primaris Marines would be gargantuan. And honestly, the existing drop pod would only really need the seats adjusting to fit Primaris scale Marines, there's plenty of vertical empty space in there.

True-scale vehicles would only work in Legions Imperialis. Otherwise you would need to accommodate their size and put severely less terrain on the board because you need to make sure that they can traverse the battlefield without obstructions.

[Dark Shepherd]

16 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

Vehicles are almost never true scale; a Rhino capable of transporting 10 true-scaled/Primaris Marines would be gargantuan. And honestly, the existing drop pod would only really need the seats adjusting to fit Primaris scale Marines, there's plenty of vertical empty space in there.

Double Decker drop pods? Im in!