Aelderi on pre-order 25/01/2025

[Emperor Ming]

Wow that's quite the nerf to fate dice, 8 dice per br, to 4 for the entire game

 

Thats erm, i get an abacus out, lets see, 6 turns is up to 48 dice, now its 4 dice, i make that a 91% nerf

 

Add in loosing reroll a hit or to wound (unless i missed some text).....

Edited January 22 by Emperor Ming

[Indy Techwisp]

9 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

Wow that's quite the nerf to fate dice, 8 dice per br, to 4 for the entire game

 

Thats erm, i get an abacus out, lets see, 6 turns is up to 48 dice, now its 4 dice, i make that a 91% nerf

 

Add in loosing reroll a hit or to wound (unless i missed some text).....

 

They don't even set dice face anymore either.

They're now a way to do strats for 0cp

Edited January 22 by Indy Techwisp

[Widowmaker82]

7 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

Wow that's quite the nerf to fate dice, 8 dice per br, to 4 for the entire game

 

Thats erm, i get an abacus out, lets see, 6 turns is up to 48 dice, now its 4 dice, i make that a 91% nerf

 

Add in loosing reroll a hit or to wound (unless i missed some text).....

 

Not sure where you got 8 dice per battle round from? It was originally 12 per game, but it reduced to 6 quite a while back. You could get some extras (Eldrad added an extra 3), but there's no way you could ever get anywhere close to 8 per battle round!

 

Also, the new Strands of Fate is so wildly different from what it was, it can hardly be described as a nerf. It allows you to reduce the CP cost of stratagems rather than guaranteed dice results. Plus it is a detachment rule rather than an army rule (which is now Battle Focus), so it's an option you can take (alongside the suite of enhancements and stratagems), not something locked in.

 

The re-roll hit/wound rule was from the Index Detachment Rule. Although they've changed the name for that detachment, there's nothing to say that the rule has changed. We simply haven't seen it yet so it may still be exactly the same.

[01RTB01]

5 hours ago, Exarch Telepse-Ehto said:

True that it is a complete mechanic change but it also appears to be for the worse not for the better. It isn’t dice manipulation anymore but command point manipulation. And it is reduced from 6 fate dice to 4. Granted, we do not know what the other stratagems do or what they cost. If there’s more than one 2cp stratagem then I would consider this largely irrelevant. And the two they showed are okay. Not terrible but only Psychic shield cover me of the army’s weaknesses. 

I know a lot of people disliked the feels bad mechanic of “I reroll to hit and wound and do auto 6 dev wounds if you fail you save” but index Eldar lacked a lot of punch without those rules. This new  paradigm will be interesting. 

 Aeldari are going to play completely differently. I don’t think this detachment will see much use at all because the aspect host already seems better and is more in line with my Biel Tan(although there are even more tokens now. Gods I hate tokens.)

 

Fate dice were broken. Glad to see the back of them. 

[Karhedron]

7 hours ago, Bouargh said:

Some more insight on 2 detachments out of the 8 said to be into the codex:

 

Codex: Aeldari masters combat with eight powerful Detachments to choose from - Warhammer Community

 

There are going to be a lot of tokens to keep track of. Battle Focus tokens for the Faction and both the Detachments show today have further tokens (Shrine and Fate Dice respectively). Eldar are shaping up to be an admin-heavy army. One the plus side, the Aspect Host looks good as army-wide rerolls of 1s to both Hit and Wound is simple and strong against pretty much everything.

[Karhedron]

2 hours ago, marspeople said:

I'm not really quite sure how useful Lhykhis is with an ability allowing a unit to charge that doesn't want to be in combat.

 

Lhykhis wants to be in combat and and the Spider Exarch is no slouch either. That is a lot of attacks with Lethal Hits triggering on a 5+. You won't want to use it every time but I am sure in a lot of cases it will be enough to finish off a unit that has already been mauled by webspinner shooting.

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, Karhedron said:

 

Lhykhis wants to be in combat and and the Spider Exarch is no slouch either. That is a lot of attacks with Lethal Hits triggering on a 5+. You won't want to use it every time but I am sure in a lot of cases it will be enough to finish off a unit that has already been mauled by webspinner shooting.

Yeah, she and the Fire Dragon seem a bit "delete the unit" so far. 

[Widowmaker82]

1 hour ago, Karhedron said:

 

Lhykhis wants to be in combat and and the Spider Exarch is no slouch either. That is a lot of attacks with Lethal Hits triggering on a 5+. You won't want to use it every time but I am sure in a lot of cases it will be enough to finish off a unit that has already been mauled by webspinner shooting.

 

It should be a very strong package for threatening the opponents home objective. It seems quite common for people to use a fairly cheap (and therefore quite weak) unit to hold their home objective - cultists, tzaangors etc. Against that sort of target, they'll be absolutely devastating. A unit that can fairly easily flip a home objective with a huge threat range could cause your opponent a real headache. And score you some nice victory points too.

 

1 hour ago, Karhedron said:

There are going to be a lot of tokens to keep track of. Battle Focus tokens for the Faction and both the Detachments show today have further tokens (Shrine and Fate Dice respectively). Eldar are shaping up to be an admin-heavy army. One the plus side, the Aspect Host looks good as army-wide rerolls of 1s to both Hit and Wound is simple and strong against pretty much everything.

 

The shrines are for any Eldar army - the leaked Warp Spider rules show they can be used for a once per game change hit/wound to a 6. The shrines are more like cherubs in SoB armies, so not so bad to track as something you keep to the side of the board (along with CP, VP and BF tokens). I think the biggest issue for me with them is finding where the Shrines are since they've never had rules before (I suspect I won't be alone in that)!! Also, poor Shining Spears didn't get one. Wonder if Rangers will get any rules for theirs?

 

And the Aspect Host is either re-roll hits or wounds of 1, not both in the same phase. It's still a pretty good detachment ability though.

[Tokugawa]

Isn't "support weapon" the big gun? The smaller gun in guardian unit calls…"heavy weapon platform"?

[TheMawr]

Just now, Tokugawa said:

Isn't "support weapon" the big gun? The smaller gun in guardian unit calls…"heavy weapon platform"?

 

the Index is out and they name switched it, Guardians now have the support weapon and the old support weapon has become 3 seperate weapon platform entries for each weapon.

All resin character are out ( incl. Yriel and Karandras.), Wraith knights come in two flavors, and Ynnari have Succubus, Archon, Venom, raider and reavers in addition to those shown above.

( kind of sucky as I have alot of hellions, but something had to give I suppose.)

[Widowmaker82]

A picture of the contents page has been leaked showing a few interesting things:

1. Looks like everything finecast is gone. That includes Karandras, Prince Yriel, Illic Nightspear and Autarch Skyrunner. There may be more gone, I've not done a full analysis. Karandras being gone is a bit of a surprise - I'm sure GW will spin that into some sort of daft joke to seem like a positive (oh wait, they already did that)!
2. The three support weapon platforms (D-cannon, Vibro cannon and Shadow weaver) have separate datasheets. No longer will the point cost for the Vibro cannon and Shadow weaver be sent through the roof by the crimes of the D-cannon! Also, they may each have their own special rules.
3. The Wraithkight has two datasheets, depending on whether it has a Ghostglaive or not. 
4. Warlock Conclave does exist separately to Warlock (despite the leaked Farseer not showing Warlock Conclave as a unit they can join), but Warlock Skyrunners are just one datasheet. Not entirely sure what this means though?
5. Warwalkers are listed as a plural, so in line with the new box of 2 for them, they can presumably be taken as a squadron again (probably 1-2?).
6. Ynnari get access to Archon, Succubus, Kabalite, Wyches, Incubi, Reaver, Raider and Venom units.

[Indy Techwisp]

4 minutes ago, Widowmaker82 said:

A picture of the contents page has been leaked showing a few interesting things:

1. Looks like everything finecast is gone. That includes Karandras, Prince Yriel, Illic Nightspear and Autarch Skyrunner. There may be more gone, I've not done a full analysis. Karandras being gone is a bit of a surprise - I'm sure GW will spin that into some sort of daft joke to seem like a positive (oh wait, they already did that)!
2. The three support weapon platforms (D-cannon, Vibro cannon and Shadow weaver) have separate datasheets. No longer will the point cost for the Vibro cannon and Shadow weaver be sent through the roof by the crimes of the D-cannon! Also, they may each have their own special rules.
3. The Wraithkight has two datasheets, depending on whether it has a Ghostglaive or not. 
4. Warlock Conclave does exist separately to Warlock (despite the leaked Farseer not showing Warlock Conclave as a unit they can join), but Warlock Skyrunners are just one datasheet. Not entirely sure what this means though?
5. Warwalkers are listed as a plural, so in line with the new box of 2 for them, they can presumably be taken as a squadron again (probably 1-2?).
6. Ynnari get access to Archon, Succubus, Kabalite, Wyches, Incubi, Reaver, Raider and Venom units.

 

You've missed the fact that the names for the Support Weapon and the Heavy Weapon Platform got switched.
(The D-cannon, Shadow Weaver and Vibro Cannon are now all Heavy Weapon Platforms and the Guardian Units have the Support Weapon as part of the squad as shown in Yvraine's Datasheet).

Also, regarding the Warlock Skyrunners, I'd assume they're basically just being treated like an upgraded Skyrunner unit (think the old "Veterans on Bikes" Marine unit LSM used to have).

 

Finally, regarding Karandras.
Him being gone from the codex does not necessarily rule him out as an end of edition release mini (maybe his new rules would've spoilt something about the new kit and/or what the end of edition narrative is, so the dropped it from this and will give it back as a PDF during that End of Edition narrative.

[TheMawr]

3 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

You've missed the fact that the names for the Support Weapon and the Heavy Weapon Platform got switched.
(The D-cannon, Shadow Weaver and Vibro Cannon are now all Heavy Weapon Platforms and the Guardian Units have the Support Weapon as part of the squad as shown in Yvraine's Datasheet).

Also, regarding the Warlock Skyrunners, I'd assume they're basically just being treated like an upgraded Skyrunner unit (think the old "Veterans on Bikes" Marine unit LSM used to have).

 

Finally, regarding Karandras.
Him being gone from the codex does not necessarily rule him out as an end of edition release mini (maybe his new rules would've spoilt something about the new kit and/or what the end of edition narrative is, so the dropped it from this and will give it back as a PDF during that End of Edition narrative.

 

With Karandras I actually think it does rule him out for this edition, so far even if the datasheet changed entirely those that where in the process of getting a plastic model remained in the codex, we have only seen it with kill teams so far, but almost every rumored randomly named character of codexes already released just so happen to be left-over-resin miniatures. ( Trazyn, Huron, the new chapter characters for spacemarines.) But at the same time, gone isnt really gone anymore either. It could in the end really mean they forgot about him, who knows.

 

But then there is Yriel, with the rumors I expected it to be either : Yriel and the corsairs units are all gone, and we are due some sort of corsair minidex or supplement release not far from now ( in fact, I was thinking the other day that this might be the 10.5 theme, just as they did in 7th ) or they would stay and its a boom end-of-edition thing, he does have a cronesword after all and I always expected that plotline to only go further, in whatever direction, when Fulgrim/Emperors children where around to play with that story. ( it always was a weird absence before.)

 

Im not sure what you mean with warlock skyrunners ? They previously where both a unit (to be lead by a farseer skyrunner) and a HQ that could lead windriders, now its only one of these two. But they are not "veteran windriders"

[Indy Techwisp]

9 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

Im not sure what you mean with warlock skyrunners ? They previously where both a unit (to be lead by a farseer skyrunner) and a HQ that could lead windriders, now its only one of these two. But they are not "veteran windriders"

 

I was taking the fact that it's Pluralised to mean that it's the Unit version that's remained, not the HQ.

As for the "Veterans on Bikes" analogy, I was meaning that by not being the character version they'd essentially just be an "upgraded" Aeldari Bike unit.

[ThePenitentOne]

No new Corsair unit, and with Yriel gone, we've gone from having only a named Corsair HQ to having NO Corsair HQ. 

 

It'll be interesting to see which units can use the Ynarri Venom; will it be resticted to just the Ynarri Drukhari units, or will it be all Ynarri units?

 

Will the restricted list for Ynarri be the same?

 

Regarding Karandras- if he's a transition character to bridge 10th with 11th, it would make sense that he isn't in the dex. So what if, for example, the EC showing up is a Slaanesh tactic to prevent the recovery effort for the Cronesword in Slaanesh's realm. And it works! The Ynarri are so put off balance by the EC that their raid never happens...

 

And then Karandras returns to the Eldar with the recovered Cronesword and says "I know, you guys have been wondering where I was, and I was in deep cover, creeping my way through Slaanesh's realm until I finally found this thing." And then, if he's a supporter of the Ynarri, he gives it to Yvraine so she attempt another big ritual (which of course would have to fail to preserve the status quo) or if he thinks the Ynarri are crazy, he can hide/ destroy or covet it to keep it away from Yvraine, but also sleep easy knowing Slaanesh didn't have it- in which case, no plot armour ritual failure necessary.

 

If I'm wrong, he could be the single model release in 11th, because Eldar did well this edition, and they didn't do badly in 9th either, so I think they'll have a light release for 11th.

 

I am interested to see if the Ynarri Wyches get Wych weapons, which would foreshadow their return in the Drukhari dex as well. And finally, I'm curious to see the datacard abilities of the Ynarri Drukhari units- it'll be cool if they differ.

[TheMawr]

Its funny on how one mans trash is another mans treasure... but I hope the Ynnari drukhari units get the ( here comes a sentence you dont expect ) chaos mark treatment:

to have appropiately painted and/or converted Datasheet picture ( in addition to more bespoke rules.)

This might be... irrelevant I know but with for example the World eater Master of executions it gives me a sense of "we know this isnt entirely what you want, but we do care." as opposed to some of the "we cant even be bother to change anything but the keywords" double ups out there.

Its probably idle hope and even the detachment art will be reused material, but still. Id also settle for new corsair art or new corsair studio pictures, but thats an even slimmer chance.

 

21 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

No new Corsair unit, and with Yriel gone, we've gone from having only a named Corsair HQ to having NO Corsair HQ. 

 

It'll be interesting to see which units can use the Ynarri Venom; will it be resticted to just the Ynarri Drukhari units, or will it be all Ynarri units?

 

Will the restricted list for Ynarri be the same?

 

 

With both of them a lot of depth can be given by simple out of the box thinking, but I doubt they do it.

Give Ynnari Archon leadership over voidreavers and voidscarred in addition to Incubi and kabalites, its not a drukhari archon after all, and the venom and raider to ride in ( I dont expect the asuryani units can, and I understand why, but with something that covers just 2 units it will hardly shake up the meta.)

besides, I'd have to doublecheck but apart from the HQ the Ynnari drukhari units are effectively elements of the IA corsair list anyway... as far as I remember it. ( though Wyches=Malevolents is probably a headcanon only.) and if one can look beyond the names it mostly misses the jump packs and dedicated psyker from that list.

( ok, and their properly weaponed jetbikes maybe to replace reavers.)

Something like this (some unasked for selfplugging to follow :p ) :

 

Spoiler

 

 

[ZeroWolf]

3 hours ago, ThePenitentOne said:

No new Corsair unit, and with Yriel gone, we've gone from having only a named Corsair HQ to having NO Corsair HQ. 

 

It'll be interesting to see which units can use the Ynarri Venom; will it be resticted to just the Ynarri Drukhari units, or will it be all Ynarri units?

 

Will the restricted list for Ynarri be the same?

 

Regarding Karandras- if he's a transition character to bridge 10th with 11th, it would make sense that he isn't in the dex. So what if, for example, the EC showing up is a Slaanesh tactic to prevent the recovery effort for the Cronesword in Slaanesh's realm. And it works! The Ynarri are so put off balance by the EC that their raid never happens...

 

And then Karandras returns to the Eldar with the recovered Cronesword and says "I know, you guys have been wondering where I was, and I was in deep cover, creeping my way through Slaanesh's realm until I finally found this thing." And then, if he's a supporter of the Ynarri, he gives it to Yvraine so she attempt another big ritual (which of course would have to fail to preserve the status quo) or if he thinks the Ynarri are crazy, he can hide/ destroy or covet it to keep it away from Yvraine, but also sleep easy knowing Slaanesh didn't have it- in which case, no plot armour ritual failure necessary.

 

If I'm wrong, he could be the single model release in 11th, because Eldar did well this edition, and they didn't do badly in 9th either, so I think they'll have a light release for 11th.

 

I am interested to see if the Ynarri Wyches get Wych weapons, which would foreshadow their return in the Drukhari dex as well. And finally, I'm curious to see the datacard abilities of the Ynarri Drukhari units- it'll be cool if they differ.

Correct me if I'm wrong, regarding the cronesword but isn't that what Fulgrim is using?

 

I don't know what to think about end of narrative now, given the vague hints about 11th landing sooner than later (it was supposed to drop next summer anyway), so unless it's either stepping on the toes of the rumoured HH box, replaced it entirely, or dropping in autumn (or early spring) there may not be time for a narrative campaign, or at least a very big one. So it may be safer classifying Karandas as an 11th edition release candidate. It is wholly possible that GW did literally forget about him, thus with their timescales, he would miss all of 10th.

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, ZeroWolf said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, regarding the cronesword but isn't that what Fulgrim is using?

 

I don't know what to think about end of narrative now, given the vague hints about 11th landing sooner than later (it was supposed to drop next summer anyway), so unless it's either stepping on the toes of the rumoured HH box, replaced it entirely, or dropping in autumn (or early spring) there may not be time for a narrative campaign, or at least a very big one. So it may be safer classifying Karandas as an 11th edition release candidate. It is wholly possible that GW did literally forget about him, thus with their timescales, he would miss all of 10th.

 

One consistency along with ever increasing prices, is the 3 year edition. This summer is heresy 3.0. Next summer will be 11th Ed. 

 

Although the timeframe for releases may not be know, you can guarantee the end of edition is planned and we'll see narrative books. 

 

Karandras isn't forgotten, he'll be being saved for one reason or another. GW are still drawing on 90s concept art for both 40k and the Old World, memories are long and things like this will be deliberate for reasons unknown to us. 

[Muck1ng]

The rumour around Karandras was that they actually forgot about him when it came to sculpting the new pheonix lords... 

[marspeople]

4 minutes ago, Muck1ng said:

The rumour around Karandras was that they actually forgot about him when it came to sculpting the new pheonix lords... 

That's absurd. I don't believe that for a second.

[Karhedron]

The new Warp Spiders have leaked and there is some good synergy with their Phoenix Lord. A Blade Array Exarch + PL means 20 Attacks on the charge, all scoring Lethal Hits on a 5+ (assuming they charge target the PL shot). Should be more than enough to mop up a squad that has been weakened by shooting.

 

 

The Death Spinners have exchanged Dev Wounds for AP-1 which makes them less powerful, particularly against tough targets but a bit more consistent against infantry.

 

10 Spiders against MEQs would have scored an average of 10 Wounds under the Index rules. Under these rules they will average 9 wounds. They do fare worse against anything with a 2+ save or Invuln but I think massed Dev Wounds was always too good to last.

 

6 minutes ago, Muck1ng said:

The rumour around Karandras was that they actually forgot about him when it came to sculpting the new pheonix lords... 

 

I have also heard that. Because the Scorpions were done for Kill Team rather than 40K, there was no joined-up planning for the larger release.

Edited January 23 by Karhedron

[Wormwoods]

26 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

The new Warp Spiders have leaked and there is some good synergy with their Phoenix Lord.

I would certainly hope so, considering.

[Garrac]

Was considering to start a new ynnari army, but i guess GW wanted to save me money. Honestly wondering now if this is 1rst step on a long process of entirely chopping down the faction in then ext 10 years.

[ZeroWolf]

Were they ap 0 before like? Admitted, I've always had a soft spot for the Aspect Warriors especially the Warp Spiders. While my desire to do an eldar army has cooled some what, there's still embers of just doing a small force (talking 1000 points). Warp Spiders would feature heavily into that.

[Karhedron]

More leaks coming in now.

 

Asurmen effectively gives his squad Fire and Fade. He can also turn into a Termi-killer once per game.

 

Baharoth's abilities have changed slightly but I suspect he now falls foul of the 6" Deep Strike rule so may need a Day 1 errata or points drop.

 

Eldrad is similar to his previous incarnation but now gets the CP battery rule which I suspect will make him popular. The question is whether the generic Autarchs will still get this rule.