Rogue Trader: Sons of Sanguinius in Blood Angels Orange

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

This year I want to paint the Blood Angels Terminators from the modern Space Hulk boxset in retro Blood Angels Orange. Has anybody a good recipe for that? Half of the models are already primed in black so I will have to follow up with a dark brown to lay the foundation for the following red and orange colours. On Youtube you only find modern BA paint schemes in red that´s why I am asking here on the forum. Thanks in advance.

 

Edit:

What could be a good alternative for Citadel Squig Orange?

 

Edited Sunday at 07:08 PM by Deus_Ex_Machina

[Cleon]

If possible locally I'd suggest a trip to your closest independent store and having a look at the Vallejo and Scale 75 ranges, there were some pretty good oranges in there, but I didn't look at the very red end of the spectrum as it wasn't what I was looking for - perhaps start with Vallejos 'Orange red' (70.910) and see what you think of it?

[Karhedron]

I was there back in the heady days of 1st edition. Blood Angels Orange was quite borderline between red and orange. It only turned really orangey when the highlights were added. From my rusty memory, Wild Riders Red over a white undercoat gives a fairly close approximation and then highlight with Troll Slayer Orange and Yriel Yellow.

 

Here is a modern interpretaion.

 

[TheArtilleryman]

You could try the Coat d’Arms fantasy range paints - these are supposedly the same paints as the old Citadel hex pots. “Angel Red” should be the same as Blood Angels Red, then you could go for something like their flame orange for a highlight. Link to Angel red here:

 

https://www.battlezone-miniatures.co.uk/shop/product/673

 

Full range:

 

https://www.battlezone-miniatures.co.uk/shop/category/159

 

There’s also a handy conversion table here:

 

https://www.hiveworldterra.co.uk/Article/view_CoatDArmsConversionChart.html

 

Can’t see squig orange on there, but Blood Angels red was always the base colour, with orange highlight, as Karhedron already said.

Edited Sunday at 11:56 PM by TheArtilleryman

[Xenith]

Good suggestions already!

 

 

 

These are my Flesh eaters, a bit more bright than modern BA, but not bright enough to be 2nd ed BA:

 

We're maybe getting there with another layer of highlight: The guys are evil sunz, chunky highlight wild rider, then up to fire dragon bright - I'd do the orange highlight all over, and not just on the extreme edges as I have.

 

 

 

I've also done some terminators, meph red, evil sunz, wild rider then fire dragon, or even vomit brown. The oranges in this really push the pastel tone and make them more 2nd ed. 

[apologist]

17 hours ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

This year I want to paint the Blood Angels Terminators from the modern Space Hulk boxset in retro Blood Angels Orange. Has anybody a good recipe for that? Half of the models are already primed in black so I will have to follow up with a dark brown to lay the foundation for the following red and orange colours. On Youtube you only find modern BA paint schemes in red that´s why I am asking here on the forum. Thanks in advance.

 

If you're aiming to emulate the Second edition scheme, here's an extract from the 'Eavy metal guide. I've highlighted the key parts: the initial coat is an equal mix of Blood Angels Orange and Blood Red, and there's a layer of pure Blood Angels Orange over the top. For a modern equivalents, I think I'd suggest:

•  Vallejo Hot Orange for Blood Angels Orange
• Mephiston Red for Blood Red
• Yriel yellow for Sunburst yellow

I'd also very much advise repriming in white. Painting over a brown undercoat is going to take many, many more layers, and you'll struggle to get the vibrancy.

 

 

 

 

If you want the original scheme, which is considerably earthier, then you'll want to start with Terracotta. As a modern equivalent, I'd suggest Word Bearers Red, or Mournfang Brown if you'd like it earthier still. 

 

 

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Another approach would be to use the Nostalgia 88 range from Warcolours, as these are intentionally formulated to match the originals. Here's the relevant reference; hope it helps. :)

 

[TheArtilleryman]

It’s funny to hear everyone calling it Blood Angels Orange. The pot I had back in the day was definitely called Blood Angels Red. So at some point they must have changed it.

Edited Monday at 12:28 PM by TheArtilleryman

[LameBeard]

Terracotta equivalent would be great for the genuine Rogue Trader feel.

 

My Heresy Blood Angels are Rogue Trader-inspired but much darker:

 

Prime German Red Brown (Vallejo), Basecoat Fire Red (Vallejo), Highlight Kalahari Orange (Scale 75?)

[Xin Ceithan]

40 minutes ago, LameBeard said:

Terracotta equivalent would be great for the genuine Rogue Trader feel.

 

My Heresy Blood Angels are Rogue Trader-inspired but much darker:

 

Prime German Red Brown (Vallejo), Basecoat Fire Red (Vallejo), Highlight Kalahari Orange (Scale 75?)

You might be on to something here. I dimly seem to recall that the paint bottle in the original RT Space Marine paint set suggested  for basecoating  was indeed  labelled “Terracotta”. 

[Mazer Rackham]

47 minutes ago, Xin Ceithan said:

You might be on to something here. I dimly seem to recall that the paint bottle in the original RT Space Marine paint set suggested  for basecoating  was indeed  labelled “Terracotta”. 

 

It was. Rogue Trader paint scheme for Blood Angels was Terracotta undercoat, with Blood Angels Orange over the top. Pulled these from my paint drawer:

 

 

The other red mentioned could be the Coat D'Arms 'Angel Red' which was the exact same paint, but you know, trademarks...

 

Edited Monday at 02:17 PM by Mazer Rackham

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, TheArtilleryman said:

It’s funny to hear everyone calling it Blood Angels Orange. The pot I had back in the day was definitely called Blood Angels Red. So at some point they must have changed it.

 

You remember correctly. The version in the original round pots was called Blood Angels Orange. The exact same shade was later put in the early hex pots and labelled Blood Angels Red. Either way, the Coat D'arms range should give you an exact match if you want.

 

Here is the round pot in the front rank (the one in the rear rank is the Terracotta)

 

 

Here is the red version, circa 2nd edition.

[Firedrake Cordova]

Is Duncan's tutorial any help?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCS5_nw6zfg

 

Goblin Green also has a tutorial:

 

As does GW.

Edited Monday at 05:05 PM by Firedrake Cordova

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

8 hours ago, Xenith said:

Good suggestions already!

 

 

 

These are my Flesh eaters, a bit more bright than modern BA, but not bright enough to be 2nd ed BA:

 

We're maybe getting there with another layer of highlight: The guys are evil sunz, chunky highlight wild rider, then up to fire dragon bright - I'd do the orange highlight all over, and not just on the extreme edges as I have.

 

 

 

I've also done some terminators, meph red, evil sunz, wild rider then fire dragon, or even vomit brown. The oranges in this really push the pastel tone ahead make them more 2nd ed. 

Those BA are suitably orange and deviate from the standard red scheme shown off since 3rd 40K. Good job!