40k Crusade: Nachmund Gauntlet (+Standalone Imperial Guard Pre-Orders)

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Are these crusade books any good? I never see people really pushing them as good pieces of lore and art. They seem to just fly by. 

 

Feels like the Krieg standalone release has come quick. EC army box should arrive this month, stand alone release in March maybe?

 

Yeah they are really backed up with resin HH characters awaiting release. 

 

I don't see any consequences or meaningful impact on the lore from this latest book. The Throne has been failing since at least 5th edition. The same space marine characters have been around for over 20, 30 years. Cadia fell only it survived as a series of rocks now apparently and Abaddons one successful Crusade has failed, stuck in a stalemate with the Imperial navy while his allies go off and do their own thing. The Imperium is split in half but they keep finding enough down the back of the golden sofa to keep chugging along. GW will never deliver consequences. 

[TheMawr]

14 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

Krieg release also presumably means March for EC as they won't do back to back 40k releases. Here's hoping for spring break.

 

When searching back to disprove that theory, by my suprise I actually cant. apart from some odd releases stuffed into a week, the "key" release is never the same system back to back.

Assuming that this indeed is an important factor in planning the schedule, as is the distance between boxset and seperate release, then the next week preorder article schedule looks as follows ( keeping in mind that apart from AoS and 40k other games most of the time have shared weeks with another "other game" even mixing studios and settings (KT+ToW for example happens) :

 

9-2 : FW/Other games week : High Elves TOW + Necromunda or HH
16-2 : 40k week :  EC boxset
23-2 : AoS week : Rest of the Goblins
2-3 : FW/Other games week : Necromunda or HH + ??? ( edit: Kill team to stick to 3 month schedule )
9-3 : AoS week : Soulblight gravelords boxset
16-3 : 40k week : Rest of EC release
23-3 :  FW/Other games week : ???
30-3 : 40k week : ???
6-4 : AoS week : Soulblight gravelords seperate release
13-4 : Anything not AoS week : ???
20-4 : from this point its pointless to predict, but this IS world easter.. question being is it world easter for the consumer ( and thus the march 30 next week preorder being world eaters) or for the next week preview video ? or possible both ( as world eaters have both a codex and a killteam in the rumored pipeline.)

 

1st of march is Warhammer open day wich is known to have some, but very minor, reveals. (previous years it was 2 models and 2 armybooks for both AoS and 40k.. with the deathguard out of the way this could be the place to show thousand sons and world eaters.)

 

Its probably completely wrong though.

 

edit :

The weird thing remains kill team, if remaining on a 3 month schedule, 2-3 would be the place for it, 23-3 would be quite a bit late, but not impossible.. either way it would be heavily delayed if the next kill team isnt previewed until adepticon, but there are still mondays, and GW sometimes have had random "skirmish game reveal events" not tied to any big event."

Edited February 3 by TheMawr

[ZeroWolf]

I keep forgetting the warhammer world open day event.

 

Looks to be a solid list though for guessing purposes and I think its quite likely

[MechaMan]

On 2/2/2025 at 6:16 PM, OttoVonAwesome said:

About time they split the kill team sprue from the Krieg infantry box.

If that sprue does get removed, and not just the Kill Team tokens - then I wonder what'll happen to it when they rotate the Krieg Veteran Guardsmen kill team out - isn't that meant to happen this year? Would be a real shame to lose it.

[Indy Techwisp]

On 2/2/2025 at 6:16 PM, OttoVonAwesome said:

About time they split the kill team sprue from the Krieg infantry box.

 

Is the sprue actually gone?
The Kreig datasheet uses quite a few bits from that sprue as weargear.

[MechaMan]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Is the sprue actually gone?
The Kreig datasheet uses quite a few bits from that sprue as weargear.

It doesn’t actually I just checked. I thought the vox and medic were on sprue b but it turns out that’s the spotter and there’s another running medic on the main sprue

[Bev'an]

Has anyone seen the Sterling prices of the stand alone releases?

[Tokugawa]

12 minutes ago, Bev'an said:

Has anyone seen the Sterling prices of the stand alone releases?

My LGS says Krieg command and engineers are £27, Krieg infantry squad and hwt £30, Dryer £35, Siege gun and death riders £37.5

[Cpt_Reaper]

On 2/3/2025 at 5:19 AM, firestorm40k said:

As a Crusade player, the content in the Leviathan and Pariah Nexus books is pretty good - the fact that were almost certain to have a new edition by the middle of next year really gives me pause about getting this one. At our local gaming group we're unlikely to run another Crusade campaign before then, so it'd be doubtful I'd get any use out of it. 

If 11th is a proper edition that builds on 10th, rather than another infernal reset then the crusade books should carry over to the new edition.

[Joe]

Prices, pre-discount in GBP, are;

 

• Lord Marshal Dreir        - £37.00
• Krieg Command Squad       - £28.00
• Death Riders              - £40.00
• Death Korps of Krieg      - £31.50
• Krieg Heavy Weapons Squad - £31.50
• Krieg Combat Engineers    - £28.00
• Artillery Team            - £37.00

 

Equivalent pricing to the Cadian ranges, basically.

[OttoVonAwesome]

3 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Is the sprue actually gone?
The Kreig datasheet uses quite a few bits from that sprue as weargear.

There's actually two medkits in the box as well as two different vox. The medic and vox expert operatives are special. They look a bit cooler but they are redundant. The kit was always designed to stand alone without the killteam sprue. None of the special weapon options are on there. You lose a couple of cool bits but yeah basically paying a premium for no reason. Would be nice if they made a seperate Krieg veteran datasheet like the Eldar Corsairs have but I geuss that's not happening anytime soon.

 

Fingers crossed the Blooded get a standalone release sometime as well. I'd love to make a traitor army from them but I really don't need like 10 ogryns and commissars.

Edited February 3 by OttoVonAwesome

[beefeb]

7 hours ago, OttoVonAwesome said:

There's actually two medkits in the box as well as two different vox. The medic and vox expert operatives are special. They look a bit cooler but they are redundant. The kit was always designed to stand alone without the killteam sprue. None of the special weapon options are on there. You lose a couple of cool bits but yeah basically paying a premium for no reason. 

 

 

 

Its not like GW would reduce the price if they did take the sprue out....they would just charge the same or more for the new updated kit but give us less!

[firestorm40k]

9 hours ago, Cpt_Reaper said:

If 11th is a proper edition that builds on 10th, rather than another infernal reset then the crusade books should carry over to the new edition.

I really hope that's the case  Not just these books, but Codex churn really irks me about edition changes - if it wasn't for needing the Crusade rules for my army, I honestly would have tried to avoiding any new Codex books at all going forward 

[Robbienw]

The kill team sprue has some characterful bits, i would who urge anyone who doesn't have it to buy the Krieg kill team set if its not in the regular 40k squad version!

[soviet1337]

I'm building two basic squads so I plan to get one of each box - a with, and a without. 

[sitnam]

On 2/3/2025 at 5:51 PM, OttoVonAwesome said:

Fingers crossed the Blooded get a standalone release sometime as well. I'd love to make a traitor army from them but I really don't need like 10 ogryns and commissars

 

I feel that. It's what kept me away from the box since I already had both minis from their BSF release. I'd love for the small accessory sprue to stay in however, it has some neat bits and heads

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Post up on Warhammer Community about how the Nachimund Crusade campaign rules work:

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/llvpv2wh/nachmund-gauntlet-crusade-campaigns-continue-in-warhammer-40000-as-haarken-worldclaimer-returns/

 

[darkhorse0607]

20 minutes ago, Dr_Ruminahui said:

Post up on Warhammer Community about how the Nachimund Crusade campaign rules work:

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/llvpv2wh/nachmund-gauntlet-crusade-campaigns-continue-in-warhammer-40000-as-haarken-worldclaimer-returns/

 

 

Dont play so I wont comment on the rest of it, but that Night Lords (? probably) art in the article is fantastic

[Nephaston]

Guardians of the Covenant is a nice surpise sight.

 

Pity that they arent't facing Night Lords in this image like some of the artwork would suggest, probably lacking the miniatures for it. Would be a bit of Thramas Crusade redux.

[Castellan Wulfrik]

I'm interested to see two pieces of artwork now depicting a traditional raptor design over the current models... maybe there's already some models in the pipeline. I really hope it's true, even more so if actual raptors and the current chaos space marines with jump packs can co-exist as different units. 

[Prot]

On 2/8/2025 at 7:02 AM, Castellan Wulfrik said:

I'm interested to see two pieces of artwork now depicting a traditional raptor design over the current models... maybe there's already some models in the pipeline. I really hope it's true, even more so if actual raptors and the current chaos space marines with jump packs can co-exist as different units. 

 

I agree. I'm pumped to get this book. The first Vigilus was such a huge moment. It was cool though because we saw new units come out, and thus new rules. 

 

I have a good group that I usually make campaigns up for. They can be quite challenging. This is great for that. We don't use all the rules, and we keep it closer to traditional 40K with a point system that does reward the winner(s).  There is usually a sweet spot between the Crusade rules and traditional 40K that allows for a cool, themed home made campaign you can adjust to your liking.

 

For me.... I have no idea. Black Legion or Dark Angels? Can't wait.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

On 2/3/2025 at 9:51 AM, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

Are these crusade books any good? I never see people really pushing them as good pieces of lore and art. They seem to just fly by. 

 

Feels like the Krieg standalone release has come quick. EC army box should arrive this month, stand alone release in March maybe?

 

Yeah they are really backed up with resin HH characters awaiting release. 

 

I don't see any consequences or meaningful impact on the lore from this latest book. The Throne has been failing since at least 5th edition. The same space marine characters have been around for over 20, 30 years. Cadia fell only it survived as a series of rocks now apparently and Abaddons one successful Crusade has failed, stuck in a stalemate with the Imperial navy while his allies go off and do their own thing. The Imperium is split in half but they keep finding enough down the back of the golden sofa to keep chugging along. GW will never deliver consequences. 

I mean it makes sense bits of the planet are floating around, I don’t think anyone thought it was completely atomized.

 

as for the most recent black crusade, I think calling it a failure is completely ridiculous.

hundreds if not thousands of imperial worlds have fallen, and the imperium has been split in two…

[ThePenitentOne]

On 2/12/2025 at 4:31 PM, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I mean it makes sense bits of the planet are floating around, I don’t think anyone thought it was completely atomized.

 

as for the most recent black crusade, I think calling it a failure is completely ridiculous.

hundreds if not thousands of imperial worlds have fallen, and the imperium has been split in two…

 

Agreed.

 

I know that for a lot of folks, the FW Campaign books were the peak. I never had a chance to look at one, so I can't comment on that; from everything Ive heard, they were fantastic.

 

I know that a lot of folks wish that current campaign books were more like those FW Classics. But I think that if you want to see the impact of lore, you have to play the lore through. When you play a game of 40k, do you and your opponent talk about what planet the battle is on? Do you know where your army comes from, and does your opponent know?

 

Because here's the thing about lore: if you don't ask at least these very important questions when you play, THAT'S why it doesn't seem like a big deal that the Galaxy's torn in half.

 

If you want the lore to matter, make it matter. 

[darkhorse0607]

52 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

 

I know that for a lot of folks, the FW Campaign books were the peak. I never had a chance to look at one, so I can't comment on that; from everything Ive heard, they were fantastic.

 

So this is an anecdotal response because I'm not saying this is a common thought but

 

I've never played a game of 40k, 30k, kill team, any of them. I have no interest in it because quite frankly it sounds like a headache

 

But yet I still wish they'd go to back to the FW way of doing them

 

I buy the campaign books for the lore, art, color plates, etc. One huge reason that people loved the FW books is because they had decent amounts of all of that

 

You want to dig in and see all the available markings, alternate schemes, examples of a ton of units and how they were marked? Done. You want alternate camo schemes (looking at you Badab) for the same organization? Done. You want fairly in depth lore? Done. Battle/campaign overview complete with maps? Done

 

They do some of that in the new books, but not quite in so much detail. I have hope that it changes now with ADB in charge of narrative, but we don't know what constraints are on them in terms of page counts or anything

 

A lot of the time the FW books didn't cover battles or campaigns that were groundbreaking. The Imperium would be fine if Vraks was lost for example, same with the Taros campaign and others

 

Those books/lore mattered because they made you feel invested in the units in the conflict and the conflict itself because the effort that went into the books

 

Something I wish GW would realize is that they don't need every campaign book to cover another super "important" battle where the fate of the Imperium rests in the balance, they just need to give them more depth for people to latch on to

[ThePenitentOne]

On 2/13/2025 at 8:22 PM, darkhorse0607 said:

 

So this is an anecdotal response because I'm not saying this is a common thought but

 

I've never played a game of 40k, 30k, kill team, any of them. I have no interest in it because quite frankly it sounds like a headache

 

But yet I still wish they'd go to back to the FW way of doing them

 

I buy the campaign books for the lore, art, color plates, etc. One huge reason that people loved the FW books is because they had decent amounts of all of that

 

You want to dig in and see all the available markings, alternate schemes, examples of a ton of units and how they were marked? Done. You want alternate camo schemes (looking at you Badab) for the same organization? Done. You want fairly in depth lore? Done. Battle/campaign overview complete with maps? Done

 

They do some of that in the new books, but not quite in so much detail. I have hope that it changes now with ADB in charge of narrative, but we don't know what constraints are on them in terms of page counts or anything

 

A lot of the time the FW books didn't cover battles or campaigns that were groundbreaking. The Imperium would be fine if Vraks was lost for example, same with the Taros campaign and others

 

Those books/lore mattered because they made you feel invested in the units in the conflict and the conflict itself because the effort that went into the books

 

Something I wish GW would realize is that they don't need every campaign book to cover another super "important" battle where the fate of the Imperium rests in the balance, they just need to give them more depth for people to latch on to

 

As a Crusader, I have a huge investment in every game I play, because every game helps my army grow; they pick up unique Battle Honours that are specific to their participation in certain theatres of War. Let's say for example that you started playing with four units, totalling 500 points during the Tyrannic War. Maybe one of those five units became a big game hunter- this was unique to Tyrannic war battles. Every unit that fights in the Tyrannic war also gains veteran status- a distinction which allows them to continue using any battle honours that they gained during the Tyrannic War even once they're outside that theatre of war.

 

Now, that same army gets redeployed to the Pariah Nexus. Now before every fight, you build an army from your roster that matches the point value that you've agreed upon with your opponent... So maybe now your army has grown to 1k or 1500. Some of those units will be Tyrannic War vets with unique abilities, but others may be newer recruits who joined the Crusade once it's role in the Tyrannic War had been played; these units would have fewer battle honours, and they would have been chosen from the generic list.

 

But now that you're in the Pariah Nexus, your dudes are collecting Blackstone, and it's being used to build all kinds of gadgets that you couldn't possibly have unless you fought in that war. And then in another eight months or whatever, you're playing in Nachmund. Some of your Crusade units are Tyrannic War vets, some are Pariah Nexus Vets and some are both, while still others are entirely green. And now you're heading into a new theatre, and once again, gaining honours unique to the campaign. 

 

And the super cool thing is that if you're playing against another Crusader who is familiar with these theatres of war, they will recognize these skills, and they'll know where you earned them. We know what a Big Game Hunter is, and we know that a Blackstone Weapon was earned and not given. That's what investment in a game means to me.

 

Now I'll be the first to admit that the modern books would benefit from having some of that lore content you talk about- I certainly would LOVE more maps especially. And if the lore was written in such a way that I cared more about the named characters that they invent- ie. more story pieces that include those named characters, that would be cool too. And if they had photos of models converted to represent those characters? Better still. And I also agree that lower stakes campaigns should be a part of the rotation. And there's now reason that modern books can't do all of this IN ADDITION to providing the unique Crusade content that I love.

 

But the core for me is the lasting impact that these theatres of war have on the army. I don't think the FW did that, as much as they may have been better at doing everything else. And that isn't FW's fault: Crusade didn't exist when those books were published, so I certainly can't blame the writers for not including that type of content... But without it, I wouldn't be getting the thing that was most important to me. No matter how good the books were at everything else, without the Crusade content that stays with my army beyond the campaign, they'd still have less value for me than the modern books.