INKS Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Archon Beastmaster Lelith Hesperax Urien Rakarth Kabalite Warriors Wracks Wyches Raider Venom Court of the Archon Cronos Grotesques Mandrakes Scourges Talos Voidraven Bomber from this list what is very old and likely to get replaced or just doesn't have a model? i know some like mandrakes are new but was trying to be complete. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 3 hours ago, INKS said: Beastmaster Urien Rakarth Wracks Court of the Archon Cronos Grotesques Talos These would be my guess at a higher likeliness of recieving a model refresh EDIT: Also hoping for a new Asdrubel Vect, big, centrepiece model Edited February 3 by Grotsmasha INKS 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6092292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 That seems like a pretty good list, I do think they are long over due for some new kits, that is for sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6092301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouargh Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 5 hours ago, INKS said: [...] Lelith Hesperax [...] Mandrakes [...] from this list what is very old and likely to get replaced or just doesn't have a model? i know some like mandrakes are new but was trying to be complete. Lelith is a recent plastic kit and Mandrakes were released as plastic last year as a kill-team. Some others are affected by the "Range rotation". Which means that these are in general resin kits that face a low demand. As such they are more likely (I imagine) going to be phased out rather than being replaced. Beastmaster, Urien and Court of the Archon are species in danger of extinction I would say... Reavers and Helions are for me the most dated designs, or at least not dated but looking their age. Other kits are OK and coherent as a range. Even if the Wyches are not my fav kit and might benefit of a rework. Scourges is another kit that is problematic as it does not fit the current philosophy of what you can align is what you can build from the box. It is a point that may lead to a rework of rules to get what is in the box (with serious retroceding in attractivity) or need to be redone completly to fit with the uses that are done of this unit (which means packing more HW in spare versions). INKS 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6092314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 Yeah I know some of them were pretty new. I just included them to include them and ask anyways. :) Oh boy. really you think beastmaster, Urien and Court could go poof. Interesting. how old are Wyches? i feel like they are newerish but not new i guess that makes sense, Scourges seem a little out of place is it? were warriors ever refreshed? the kit is fine i guess. just don't remember Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6092315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 -Lilth and the Mandrakes are brand new. Even the Archon in the combat patrol is a newer model I think, the old one was crap. -Kab warriors just got released in the recent kill team box and they are still really nice looking models despite being 13 or 14 years old So if they do get a revamp, it will be more like how Tau firewarriors got redone where you can barely tell the difference. -Scourges are fine but I expect the rules to change to make them useless. I cant see GW even if they do include them in the new dex, whenever that may be, keeping them with 4 of one weapon when the box only comes with one of each. If they make new ones, I cant see GW including 4 of each weapon in the box. Dark eldar have the unique position of being a xenos army that got an almost complete refresh only 12 years ago which is why for the most part it is still one of the better looking armies. I think the Court is going away as well as the beast pack, too many individual models with individual rules which goes against their streamlining philosophy. If anything is getting refreshed it will be the covens. They are the ugliest part of the army and most likely to get new models as part of a glow up. Bouargh, INKS and The Yncarne 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6092329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CL_Mission Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, Galron said: If anything is getting refreshed it will be the covens. They are the ugliest part of the army and most likely to get new models as part of a glow up. Whenever the time comes I doubt much of covens would get redone beside Urien and Grotesques, the current Haemonculus and Wracks are newer than Wyches and Kabalites though I forget when abouts they came out and I just don't see them redoing the Talos/Chronos. You used to be able to take two tiers of Haemonculus and I'd like to see that return but as you never had seperate models for them I'm not sure that would count as 'redone' if Haemonculus Ancients returned. Ming the Merciless 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6092367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouargh Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 hours ago, INKS said: how old are Wyches? These gladiarors are as old as the kabalites, I would say. Both plastic sets were released together If I remember it correctly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6092383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CL_Mission Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Went ahead and looked up the when things were released in case that helps. -2010 Kabalite Warriors Scourges Wyches Hellions Raver Jetbikes Venom Raider Ravager Talos/Chronos Court of the Archon Beastmasters Grotesque Razorwing Jetfighter -2014 Archon Haemonculus Succubus Wracks Voidraven Bomber -2019 Drazhar Incubi -2020 Lelith Hesperax -2024 mandrakes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6092400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 oh wow Wyches are much older than I thought they were. for some reason I had thought they had a refresh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6092411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulfast Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Funny thing with drukhari is that most plastic models feels really fresh and looks good. But the range is geting old and I think (and hope) that GW soon will do a major update for them. Both making most finecastmodels into plastic and give us something completly new that can shake up our army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6092484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 I still think covens and split shoulder pads aside, dark eldar are one of the better looking armies in the 40k range. I think they were one of the first CAD designed armies. And yes I am aware what the D stands for but saying one of the first CAD armies doesnt sound right. All the wyches and Kabalites look great and I dont know how they would improve on them aside from maybe giving them the Guardian treatment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6092676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CL_Mission Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 One thing I do think could be improved is the little scrap of flesh they have hanging from their belts, I kinda get the idea but it always looked weird and awkward to me. I think they should either get rid of it or make it a longer loin cloth like Kabalites have, the one the Hekatrix has is longer and looks much better. Ulfast, TheMawr, INKS and 1 other 2 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6092713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMawr Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 7 hours ago, CL_Mission said: One thing I do think could be improved is the little scrap of flesh they have hanging from their belts, I kinda get the idea but it always looked weird and awkward to me. I think they should either get rid of it or make it a longer loin cloth like Kabalites have, the one the Hekatrix has is longer and looks much better. That weird slab of cloth/skin is one of my main petpeeves, and its also one of the telling part of the age of the kits.. as you say kabalites and the hekatrix ( who stands straight as well.) do have longer tabards and this is of the linearity the old kits design required, the reason why they included it at all is unclear though. Painting it the same color as the bodysuit kind of fixes it. But there are more elements suffering from that flatter plane design that era of kit design had, notably the hair and in some cases posture of the arms. But they did really well with what they had to work with, thats undeniable. Another thing is that while a single assembled miniature might stand up quite well still to current kits, the kit/sprue(s) itself does not ( nor do kabalites) compared to other updated core battleline units, begs the question though, is 20 extra head options worth the inevitable price increas. ;) They are also slottabase kits, wich is, quite telling of their age. ---- I do think the Kabalite warriors and Wyches are to be replaced "soon", GW went through every core kit that predated 7th edition ( and their then announced new technology in kit design, they talked a bit about it with the admech release, and everything after that is modern kit design.) Kabalites and wyches are among the last few. Kabalite warriors I expect will be coming with a larger wave, Wyches I kind of expect in kill team, either as a Commorite Blood Brides or an Ynnari Brides of Death kill team ( though the kit will just be wyches.) Ofcourse they could do fans of both factions a favor there and do a Headhunters of Vect (kabalites) vs Ynnari Death Brides (wyches) kill team box. Im half thinking there is a slightly possibility the exodites rumors could be mistaken identity and are one of these two. The following art is in the new edition Killteam rulebook, and while its 90% likely its a creative interpretation of the hands of the archon kill team it made me realise that depending how well the person seeing the models knows all the eldar, and what kind of visual options there are ( furcoats, bare heads with large hair, more elaborate designed armor.. lots of bone elements or even hunting creatures as pets, these are thing that would still fit drukhari, but likely be more associated with exodites by people less in the know... a lot of people and rumormongers where convinced the visarch was an exodite after all.) However the way the rumors are going, now with even drukhari maybe getting their codex by summers end, its very unlikely they get much more than a single character in 40k proper. On 2/3/2025 at 3:41 PM, Galron said: I think the Court is going away as well as the beast pack, too many individual models with individual rules which goes against their streamlining philosophy. Beast pack yes, not permanently probably, but when they made them all into 1 unit in the index I knew it could mean one of two things. 1. It was going to be a WHQ expansion that is just that weird combination unit in the kit, maybe even a kill team ( but kill team is not that similar to warcry with those things.) 2. They did this so that they would only remove a single unit instead of 4 when the codex purge comes around... its not that bad right ? removing only the one unit ? Court of the Archon however is something we have actually seen a lot recently both in AoS and 40k.. even the recent Krieg HQ unit follows more a court vibe than a regular HQ vibe. I could see a new archon coming with the court as a single kit ( and the solo archon remaining available.) GW is extremely slow to update vehicles from bikes upwards... I dont see any of them replaced, not even to accomodate size changes of infantry. Hellions maybe, I dont know why, they dont really need it.. but its a gutfeeling they will replaced, and also different. at first I typed an entire wishlist, but, this will do :) summarizing my thought : Not replaced anytime soon : Drazhar, Incubi, Lelith, Mandrakes, Haemonculus, Talos/Cronos, Scourges, Reavers, Venom, Raider, Ravager, Razorwing plane, Voidraven plane Maybe ( mostly because they have been online only for so long and lack certain options ) : Hellions, Archon, Succubus, Wracks Likely soon : Wyches, Kabalite warriors Resin, so either replaced or gone : Urien Rakarth, Grotesques, Court of the Archon, Beastmaster pack Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6092924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 I still see Scourges getting screwed over. They are beautiful kits but they come from an era where GW encouraged kit bashing and imagination. Now GW has taken that away and wants everyone to be in lockstep with their boxes. INKS 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6093018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming the Merciless Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Best case scenario for Scourges is extra weapon sprues folded into the kit, a perfect reason for a price increase. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6094144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galron Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 You are implying that they actually require reasons to have a price increase other than "Its that time of the year." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385223-to-be-replaced/#findComment-6094147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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