Codex Space Marines Codex: Space Marine Rumours (2nd wave and/or New Characters)

[Karhedron]

12 minutes ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

Whatever happened to Hastings?

 

Maybe he was Alpharius! 

[skylerboodie]

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On 2/28/2025 at 5:51 PM, HeadlessCross said:

Yes, we all know Abnett has an obnoxious bias for the Imperial Fists. He's the one that told French to kill off Alpharius in Praetorian of Dorn. 

ADB said it was himself (ADB) that suggested it to John. 

Edited March 3 by skylerboodie

[jaxom]

Captain Corteaz would actually make sense for Rubicon.

[crimsondave]

Anyone hear what Valrak said on the stream tonight about space marine release?  I got phone call right when he heard whatever he heard.

[Scribe]

On 2/28/2025 at 1:15 PM, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

Whatever happened to Hastings?

 

He was in the comment section of an Age of Sigmar heavy site...the name of which I cannot remember.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

On 2/25/2025 at 9:18 AM, Blindhamster said:

You could indeed use The generic sanguinary priest as corbulo. Give him the visions enhancement from LAG and you’re pretty much there. 
 

that said, I’d love it if he got a unique model and rules again.

 

seth probably deserves that treatment more though, precisely because he isn’t a blood angel

As far as models Corbulo may be getting the Tycho treatment that is the new captain model

[Blindhamster]

17 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

As far as models Corbulo may be getting the Tycho treatment that is the new captain model

Nah, corbulo is specifically still alive in the lore. He’s mentioned in the codex as being on a quest currently.

 

the new captain doesn’t make tycho, it makes a 3rd company captain with totally different loadout that has fair standard blood angels artificer armour.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

53 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

Nah, corbulo is specifically still alive in the lore. He’s mentioned in the codex as being on a quest currently.

 

the new captain doesn’t make tycho, it makes a 3rd company captain with totally different loadout that has fair standard blood angels artificer armour.

The model is clearly meant to build a replacement for tycho’s.

 

instead of a combi-melta it’s an inferno pistol, instead of dead man‘s hand, it’s a power fist. Instead of a half mask it’s a full mask.

I don’t think it really matters alive or dead in lore. Will the model sell well is the bigger consideration for GW

Edited March 8 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Evil Eye]

16 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

Nah, corbulo is specifically still alive in the lore. He’s mentioned in the codex as being on a quest currently.

 

the new captain doesn’t make tycho, it makes a 3rd company captain with totally different loadout that has fair standard blood angels artificer armour.

That is one thing that majorly bothers me about current 40K's approach to characters. The "they're not active/alive in the present day of the fluff, so their model gets retired and they don't get rules anymore" slaps more of an 80s merch-driven cartoon than a wargame. Like, in WHFB, Azhag got a new model even though he was (like most of the WHFB special characters) a historical figure who was killed in battle by the "present" of the setting. And in 40K, Tycho was thoroughly dead by the "present" of 40K for about as long as I can remember (he was slain on Armageddon IIRC) and he still had a model and rules to play said model for years- realistically he should still have rules at the very least, for those that want to play scenarios set before the era of the Great Rift. With Corbulo there's even less excuse because he's still alive! 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

3 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

That is one thing that majorly bothers me about current 40K's approach to characters. The "they're not active/alive in the present day of the fluff, so their model gets retired and they don't get rules anymore" slaps more of an 80s merch-driven cartoon than a wargame. Like, in WHFB, Azhag got a new model even though he was (like most of the WHFB special characters) a historical figure who was killed in battle by the "present" of the setting. And in 40K, Tycho was thoroughly dead by the "present" of 40K for about as long as I can remember (he was slain on Armageddon IIRC) and he still had a model and rules to play said model for years- realistically he should still have rules at the very least, for those that want to play scenarios set before the era of the Great Rift. With Corbulo there's even less excuse because he's still alive! 

The sand box setting is gone from an official point of view.

but who knows maybe Tycho really does get a whole new model in 11th or 12th.

 

the introduction of the primaris though kinda made playing ‘historical 40k’ a lot more difficult since most people by now will likely be using primaris in their lists.

[Blindhamster]

57 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

That is one thing that majorly bothers me about current 40K's approach to characters. The "they're not active/alive in the present day of the fluff, so their model gets retired and they don't get rules anymore" slaps more of an 80s merch-driven cartoon than a wargame. Like, in WHFB, Azhag got a new model even though he was (like most of the WHFB special characters) a historical figure who was killed in battle by the "present" of the setting. And in 40K, Tycho was thoroughly dead by the "present" of 40K for about as long as I can remember (he was slain on Armageddon IIRC) and he still had a model and rules to play said model for years- realistically he should still have rules at the very least, for those that want to play scenarios set before the era of the Great Rift. With Corbulo there's even less excuse because he's still alive! 

Thing with Tycho was, he was slain during the third war of armageddon, which actually lore wise happens almost the same time as fall of cadia. The thing with 40k is it was stuck at the same time for a long time.

Now, don't get me wrong, for the longest time, Tycho was my favourite blood angel. But that said, losing him from the codex and him not getting an updated model didn't really hurt the army. Getting a new model was not on the cards realistically, due to the whole primaris thing (for good or ill).

I think in the case of Corbulo, he's gone because Blood Angels got more new character models than any other chapter so far, they (probably correctly) decided it was more important to get a generic priest and generic captain (because muscle armour is such a hugely distinctive part of the blood angels look) out, than Corbulo.

 

I honestly think Corbs will be back next edition as the Blood Angels "single model" next time around.

[Evil Eye]

3 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

The sand box setting is gone from an official point of view.

 

I know. I hate it.

3 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

the introduction of the primaris though kinda made playing ‘historical 40k’ a lot more difficult since most people by now will likely be using primaris in their lists.

I know. I hate it.

[DemonGSides]

3 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

Thing with Tycho was, he was slain during the third war of armageddon, which actually lore wise happens almost the same time as fall of cadia. The thing with 40k is it was stuck at the same time for a long time.

Now, don't get me wrong, for the longest time, Tycho was my favourite blood angel. But that said, losing him from the codex and him not getting an updated model didn't really hurt the army. Getting a new model was not on the cards realistically, due to the whole primaris thing (for good or ill).

I think in the case of Corbulo, he's gone because Blood Angels got more new character models than any other chapter so far, they (probably correctly) decided it was more important to get a generic priest and generic captain (because muscle armour is such a hugely distinctive part of the blood angels look) out, than Corbulo.

 

I honestly think Corbs will be back next edition as the Blood Angels "single model" next time around.

 

I believe his datasheet is just in Legends now so you could still field him if you want to.  Tacticals and Devs being the only real surviving Firstborn datasheets is more or less the bigger issue, though honestly you can probably squeak by on a company off of just Firstborn Datasheets if you wanted to (And maybe squinted real hard at the "Assault Intercessors" ).

 

And Corbulo will for sure be part of some release, whether its 11th codex supplement or some battle box a la Azrael v Vashtorr.

[FarFromSam]

Doesn't the Rubicon have a greater than 50% attrition rate?  Why even have one if it makes 0% difference?  Also,  jetbikes for everyone?  Didn't the galaxy get split?  Shouldn't the imperium be aggressively in decline not experiencing another golden age?

 

What did I miss?  

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

20 minutes ago, FarFromSam said:

Doesn't the Rubicon have a greater than 50% attrition rate?  Why even have one if it makes 0% difference?  Also,  jetbikes for everyone?  Didn't the galaxy get split?  Shouldn't the imperium be aggressively in decline not experiencing another golden age?

 

What did I miss?  

The success rate has increased over time.

 

DA have a history of having special technology, so the return of the lion could be him sharing that technology out of desperation if not simple practicality.

[darkhorse0607]

55 minutes ago, FarFromSam said:

Doesn't the Rubicon have a greater than 50% attrition rate?  Why even have one if it makes 0% difference?  Also,  jetbikes for everyone?  Didn't the galaxy get split?  Shouldn't the imperium be aggressively in decline not experiencing another golden age?

 

What did I miss?  

 

They got better at it. Honestly, it's kind of all over the place given the timeline retcon, but I'd just ignore that risk now. Just for example, in Godblight which is what, 15ish years now after the start of the Crusade, Calgar tells Guilliman that the procedure is much safer. Later in Darkness in the Blood, which is now set after Godblight even though originally it would've been before (I think? I've lost track to be honest), Dante is told that only two of Calgars guard survived the process and that the procedure is 60% successful. If you're reading the novels, the only ones they updated for the new timeline were the Dark Imperium series, so you'll find weirdness/discrepancies

 

So honestly just kind of ignore it and chalk it up to no one important being at risk

 

Jetbikes are coming out of the same bag of tricks Volkite weaponry did, again, honestly you're better of just accepting that the Imperium is doing better technology wise except all the times GW tells you it isn't

 

And as for the galaxy getting split. Again, wouldn't read that much into it to be honest. Folks might not like that answer but realistically

 

They are still fighting over the Nachmund Gauntlet, which originally was THE major warp route through. But we know Guilliman makes it to Baal, so either a) that gets resolved in an Imperial victory, or b) there are other routes. GW has already said as much with the latter because now they've slipped it's "one" of the routes through multiple times. It's just the one factions have chosen to fight over because it's sizeable. Ships can still get through other passages, or just straight force their way through like in Spears of the Emperor if they're ok with risking it/taking casualties

 

With all of that, Broken Crusade is set 200 years post-rift, we know that largely nothing has changed and the fact that the Galaxy is split doesn't change all that much for the Imperium, contrary to what GW says

[Nephaston]

2 hours ago, FarFromSam said:

Shouldn't the imperium be aggressively in decline not experiencing another golden age?

I think all the fancy new gear getting focused on marines is, for me, just another example of grimdark; The average imperial doesn't benefit from repulsor tech, neo-volkites or new geneseed organs.

G-Mans reforms might improve workflow for a bunch of workers, but the end-result is still most of it being in service for the war-machine.

[FarFromSam]

4 hours ago, darkhorse0607 said:

 

They got better at it. Honestly, it's kind of all over the place given the timeline retcon, but I'd just ignore that risk now. Just for example, in Godblight which is what, 15ish years now after the start of the Crusade, Calgar tells Guilliman that the procedure is much safer. Later in Darkness in the Blood, which is now set after Godblight even though originally it would've been before (I think? I've lost track to be honest), Dante is told that only two of Calgars guard survived the process and that the procedure is 60% successful. If you're reading the novels, the only ones they updated for the new timeline were the Dark Imperium series, so you'll find weirdness/discrepancies

 

So honestly just kind of ignore it and chalk it up to no one important being at risk

 

Jetbikes are coming out of the same bag of tricks Volkite weaponry did, again, honestly you're better of just accepting that the Imperium is doing better technology wise except all the times GW tells you it isn't

 

And as for the galaxy getting split. Again, wouldn't read that much into it to be honest. Folks might not like that answer but realistically

 

They are still fighting over the Nachmund Gauntlet, which originally was THE major warp route through. But we know Guilliman makes it to Baal, so either a) that gets resolved in an Imperial victory, or b) there are other routes. GW has already said as much with the latter because now they've slipped it's "one" of the routes through multiple times. It's just the one factions have chosen to fight over because it's sizeable. Ships can still get through other passages, or just straight force their way through like in Spears of the Emperor if they're ok with risking it/taking casualties

 

With all of that, Broken Crusade is set 200 years post-rift, we know that largely nothing has changed and the fact that the Galaxy is split doesn't change all that much for the Imperium, contrary to what GW says

Thank you for this.   GW needs to hire you as a translator.  If makes em money it's safe. 

 

 At the risk of going off topic,  the Lion was never willing to divulge much of anything even to his own legion.  Has His nap improved his demeanor?   Side question,  does he still do Forestwalks around the galaxy?

Edited March 9 by FarFromSam

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

53 minutes ago, FarFromSam said:

Thank you for this.   GW needs to hire you as a translator.  If makes em money it's safe. 

 

 At the risk of going off topic,  the Lion was never willing to divulge much of anything even to his own legion.  Has His nap improved his demeanor?   Side question,  does he still do Forestwalks around the galaxy?

It´s actually Waldbaden.

[phandaal]

6 hours ago, Nephaston said:

I think all the fancy new gear getting focused on marines is, for me, just another example of grimdark; The average imperial doesn't benefit from repulsor tech, neo-volkites or new geneseed organs.

G-Mans reforms might improve workflow for a bunch of workers, but the end-result is still most of it being in service for the war-machine.

 

For me, the part that stretches disbelief in-universe is not so much the new tech.

 

It is the way that this new tech was distributed across an empire of 1,000,000 worlds that takes sometimes decades to cross in the warp, complete with the full manufacturing capability to provide for upkeep and materiel. All while half of that empire is supposedly nearly impossible to traverse the traditional way thanks to the Imperium's main source of navigation being discombobulated.

 

That part being hand waved is more egregious to me than the tech itself coming into existence. The tech can be from a rediscovered STC or something.

[Wispy]

if Lion shared jetbike technology it was because he wanted to do some strategy with jetbikes from the Legion days but couldn't because there wasn't enough jetbikes to go around. Cawl would wake up one day with a gift wrapped stc from anonymous donor outside his door. Immediately after Cawl setup jetbike manufacture - but before he notified any Adeptus Astartes chapter of the jetbike's existence and forthcoming rollout - he'd get a strange resupply request from the Dark Angels for the new Jetbikes, first in line.

Edited March 9 by Wispy

[Karhedron]

4 hours ago, FarFromSam said:

At the risk of going off topic,  the Lion was never willing to divulge much of anything even to his own legion.  Has His nap improved his demeanor?   Side question,  does he still do Forestwalks around the galaxy?

 

He does seem a bit more personable in 40k. The Lion novel does go some way to explain this.  Luther's betrayal shocked him to the core and made him question his entire approach to command. Secondly, he wakes up separated from anyone who might recognise him beyond a handful of Fallen. Without any innate authority, he has to work on his people skills to get people to follow him.

 

We don't know if he can still Forest Walk but he still has the Deep Strike rule in 10th edition so I would assume that he can.

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

1 hour ago, phandaal said:

 

 All while half of that empire is supposedly nearly impossible to traverse the traditional way thanks to the Imperium's main source of navigation being discombobulated.

 

 

Isn't the trick having blanks on board?

[phandaal]

24 minutes ago, Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla said:

Isn't the trick having blanks on board?

 

I cannot remember the specifics. In the books I read, what I remember is they might comment that it was very hard to get around in the Warp. Some even said it was downright lethal.

 

If having Blanks on board is the trick to negate Warp storms blocking the Astronomicon (or for travel through Warp storms in general), one would think someone in the Imperium would have used that before M42, to explore uncharted regions of the galaxy that are blocked by Warp storms.

 

Either way, traversing the Imperium was supposed to be very time consuming even before Current Year, which I thought added nicely to the setting's sense of scale. The logistics involved made a tiny bit more sense when there was supposed to be time skip (although even a century is crazy fast for the Imperium to do anything, let alone remake the entire Adeptus Astartes across the whole galaxy). Now that we are in compressed time, it just feels really hand wavy.

[Blindhamster]

warp travel still works, it "just" has a higher and faster mortality rate for navigators and typically requires groups of them now. There's a big scene discussing that in Darkness in the Blood. The astronomican isn't entirely hidden, but its obscured, so its more difficult to use.

 

(in addition, the blood angels seem to have better than average ability to traverse the warp in the dark imperium, because of their super psychic golden winged chap and chief librarian)

Warp travel in the terran side of the imperium works mostly as it always has though.

 

also also, we know that messages from cadia and fenris to terra via "normal" means (essentially message relays) takes months, not years. This is straight up specified in the emperors legion novel.

Edited March 10 by Blindhamster