Codex Space Marines Codex: Space Marine Rumours (2nd wave and/or New Characters)

[Jukkiz]

24 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

I hope the assault Terminators make it out this year, really looking forward to those!

that reminds me, if assault termies AND vanguard come out at same time. That SHOULD mean we finally get lightning claws back, right.... RIGHT?!

[ZeroWolf]

Either of them seem like prime candidates for a starter box mind. I can certainly see GW holding them for that. Multipart kits for both should be glorious however.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

Just going to chime in with a comment that's a collation of a few of my comments on various other threads. I think:

• Marine Characters, Black Templars, Space Wolves, Grey Knights will release Q2/3/4 2025 with a campaign of sorts surrounding Armageddon.
• 11th edition (10.5) Summer 2026.
• I had started to convince myself DE would be the antagonist faction, but Valrak says he's 110% convinced it's Orks and he's rarely wrong these days when he says something concrete (his theories aren't always correct, but hes spot on when his source tells him something).
• To that point, I think Orks will win and take Armageddon. This tied with Chaos winning Nachmund will really ramp up the Imperium's backs-to-the-wall feel.
• 11th kicks off with Imperium counter attack vs Orks. This plays into the fast attack / alpha strike nature of the units I predict will be in the box:
  • x10 "Tactical Intercessors" - Intercessors in 2026 will be 9 years old, a lot of wasted space on those sprues bolt rifle variants that mean nothing. New kit could old marks of helmets and shoulder pads on a Mark X base. More Sergeant options, melee, pistols, combi (?) and please please BACK BANNERS. I for one hope they go full tilt into it and put a Heavy Bolter, Pyrecannon, Super Frag/Krak, pyre blaster, melta rifle, plasma incinerator in there too. Multiple SERIOUS Imperial defeats could lead Guilliman (the now known pragmatist) to see the benefit of TACTICAL ;) flexibility.
  • x5 Assault Terminators - Need I say more? Alpha strike, decapitate.
  • x5 (or maybe x3) Vanguard Veterans - I posted a whole thread about the potential for VV to become three man Bladeguard Veterans with Jump Packs. I think the theory has legs, for many reasons, chiefly that GW now says Vanguard means Phobos.
  • x1 Vehicle: Either x1 Drop Pod, x1 "Scout Storm Speeder" (replacement for Land Speeder Storm that can transport scouts) or x1 Iron Clad Dreadnought remake - less inclided for this option as doesn't match the fast attack/ alpha strike theme.

  • x1 Captain on Bike. He won't be able to lead anything but that hasn't stopped GW before.

  • x1 Termie LT

  • x1 Jump Chaplain

  • x1 Ancient, either termie or jump

  • x1 Apothecary either termie or jump OR x1 Techmarine in Termie, I think this is dependent on if it's a dread in the box.

• Then the 11th edition marine launch wave will have multi part kits for most if not all the launch box units plus outriders.

• Leman Russ.

[Mandragola]

43 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

Either of them seem like prime candidates for a starter box mind. I can certainly see GW holding them for that. Multipart kits for both should be glorious however.

They could easily be boxed in an army set with the codex, like the Krieg or EC ones. GW are doing this quite a bit at the moment.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

41 minutes ago, Mandragola said:

They could easily be boxed in an army set with the codex, like the Krieg or EC ones. GW are doing this quite a bit at the moment.

Yeah but codex Marines don't typically get this as the edition launch box is theirs.

[ZeroWolf]

Yeah, the launch box is essentially their army box (minus codexs and datacards of course...wouldn't that be nice if both were included in the launch box!). So generic space marines will never see an army box type deal, and neither will their opponent. To balance this though, they do tend to get Xmas boxes every year (their opponent usually gets one the same year the edition launches).

 

Of course, there is one exception of sorts, and that's the second round of Space Marine releases. In 9th edition, that gave us strike force Augustus. Will 10th get a similar box? Time will tell. There is a possibility that if the new stuff is just heroes, they may make themed boxes around those legions.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

1 minute ago, ZeroWolf said:

Of course, there is one exception of sorts, and that's the second round of Space Marine releases. In 9th edition, that gave us strike force Augustus. Will 10th get a similar box? Time will tell. There is a possibility that if the new stuff is just heroes, they may make themed boxes around those legions.

And in fairness, 8th had Shadowspear which had all new units in it. However, with the new SM unit rumours (not the characters) tied to 11th edition, will a mid-editon second marine wave be skipped given the manufacturing and supply chain issues GW have experienced this edition? I mean we had a radio silent quarter at the end of 2024, when was the last time that happened?

[ZeroWolf]

3 minutes ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

And in fairness, 8th had Shadowspear which had all new units in it. However, with the new SM unit rumours (not the characters) tied to 11th edition, will a mid-editon second marine wave be skipped given the manufacturing and supply chain issues GW have experienced this edition? I mean we had a radio silent quarter at the end of 2024, when was the last time that happened?

Well, they certainly used that time to produce something at the factories 

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

9 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

Well, they certainly used that time to produce something at the factories 

Yeah, maybe, or they were desperately trying to catch up with the swathes of out of stock kits on their website... 

[Halandaar]

24 minutes ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

I mean we had a radio silent quarter at the end of 2024, when was the last time that happened?

 

For 40k you could maybe make this argument, but a lot of stuff for other games came out in that timeframe including new editions for 3 different systems.

• AoS - Stormcast Eternals entire 10th Edition lineup, Slaves to Darkness 
• Old World - Warriors of Chaos 
• Kill Team - New edition Hivestorm, Core Rules and Accessories, Brutal & Cunning expansion, approx 18 reboxed teams and cards
• Warcry - 2 Warbands & Scenery 
• Blood Bowl - Chaos Dwarf Team, Star Players, Rules & Accessories
• Legions Imperialis - Mechanicum & Knight battlegroups, Dark Mechanicum minis, scenery
• Underworlds - New editon Embergard core game, 16 reboxed warbands & cards, 2 new warbands
• MESBG - New edition starter box & new minis, reboxed models for multiple factions

 

A relatively light slate of releases for 40K (which did include the entire Blood Angels range let's not forget) doesn't mean GW was sat on it's hands for 3 months.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

12 minutes ago, Halandaar said:

 

For 40k you could maybe make this argument, but a lot of stuff for other games came out in that timeframe including new editions for 3 different systems.

 

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• AoS - Stormcast Eternals entire 10th Edition lineup, Slaves to Darkness 
• Old World - Warriors of Chaos 
• Kill Team - New edition Hivestorm, Core Rules and Accessories, Brutal & Cunning expansion, approx 18 reboxed teams and cards
• Warcry - 2 Warbands & Scenery 
• Blood Bowl - Chaos Dwarf Team, Star Players, Rules & Accessories
• Legions Imperialis - Mechanicum & Knight battlegroups, Dark Mechanicum minis, scenery
• Underworlds - New editon Embergard core game, 16 reboxed warbands & cards, 2 new warbands
• MESBG - New edition starter box & new minis, reboxed models for multiple factions

 

 

A relatively light slate of releases for 40K (which did include the entire Blood Angels range let's not forget) doesn't mean GW was sat on it's hands for 3 months.

 

No of course not, but releases for other franchises will come out of separate budget pots.

[Halandaar]

25 minutes ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

No of course not, but releases for other franchises will come out of separate budget pots.

 

There's only so much factory capacity; putting out three new editions in three months naturally needs something to give. In this case, it was 40K.

 

And I think it's fair to say that has been more than repaid with Q1 of 2025 between Krieg, Eldar and Emperor's Children.

[Cenobite Terminator]

When is this supposed to happen?

[Karhedron]

2 minutes ago, Cenobite Terminator said:

When is this supposed to happen?

 

That is what we just don't know. We have rumours for a bunch of characters and quite a few new units but we don't which (if any) will be for release in this edition and which may be part of the 11th edition starter set in about 16 months time. All we have to go on is a Salamander image on the GW's roadmap which means we can expect at least one Marine release some time in the summer after the assorted Chaos Legion codices are released. That is all we can say for certain.

[Orange Knight]

If true, the most exciting aspect of the release is fleshing out the other Codex chapters more. It would be wonderful if every chapter in the book had at least 3 unique characters or a special unit (special unit is just a fool's hope, I admit).

I don't have any issue with the Ultramarines having 5 or 6 - they are as iconic as the Blood Angels or Space Wolves in the overall setting and mythos. Ideally all chapters would have equal support lol.

[ZeroWolf]

40 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

If true, the most exciting aspect of the release is fleshing out the other Codex chapters more. It would be wonderful if every chapter in the book had at least 3 unique characters or a special unit (special unit is just a fool's hope, I admit).

I don't have any issue with the Ultramarines having 5 or 6 - they are as iconic as the Blood Angels or Space Wolves in the overall setting and mythos. Ideally all chapters would have equal support lol.

I'd just like more involved upgrade sprues tailored to each legion

[Ming the Merciless]

I don't see mpk bikers (or any other mpk) being in a new edition launch set as has been suggested. Highly doubt beginner friendly push-fit minis will be abandoned.

[WrathOfTheLion]

8 minutes ago, Ming the Merciless said:

I don't see mpk bikers (or any other mpk) being in a new edition launch set as has been suggested. Highly doubt beginner friendly push-fit minis will be abandoned.

The current ones are already from a launch set, so I'd figure they have a higher chance of being a 10E launch or only part of the main 11E mpk release.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

16 hours ago, Ming the Merciless said:

I don't see mpk bikers (or any other mpk) being in a new edition launch set as has been suggested. Highly doubt beginner friendly push-fit minis will be abandoned.

I think they're speculated for a Multi-Part Kit in the marine release wave of the new editon, not the launch set which will in all likelihood remain etb

[Tastyfish]

On 2/11/2025 at 10:38 AM, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Just going to chime in with a comment that's a collation of a few of my comments on various other threads. I think:

• Marine stuff

• Then the 11th edition marine launch wave will have multi part kits for most if not all the launch box units plus outriders.

• Leman Russ.

 

I think the starter box vehicle would be more likely to be on the Orks side, though a merging of the classic drop pod and the Deathwind drop pod fits the Primaris model and does make sense. In addition to the impact of the pod itself, it then launches the rest of it's now glowing ablative plating in some sort of frag storm, perhaps alongside some bigger missiles, just before the doors open does make sense and adds more of a reason for the pod to have a model.

 

Have them work like the galaxy's largest flashbang as part of a breaching action from orbit.

 

Plus the pod being EtB would also hopefully keep the ££ costs down, which has always been an issue for a cheap disposable transport.

Edited February 13 by Tastyfish

[Tokugawa]

Agree. £55 price tag on an one-use expendable transport is something beyond crazy. ETB is their best future. 

 

Question: would you like to see a drop pod model with fixed closed hatch?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

On 2/10/2025 at 1:26 PM, ZeroWolf said:

To be fair, it could be a case where the old codex's carry over as it looks that 11th will just be an extension of 10th rather than another reboot.

That doesn’t really matter. Old edition codexes aren’t optimized for the new edition, and are usually pretty weak, so it doesn’t feel very good.

[redmapa]

26 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

That doesn’t really matter. Old edition codexes aren’t optimized for the new edition, and are usually pretty weak, so it doesn’t feel very good.

 

I would gladly take a weaker older codex that it's still useful for more than a year over buying a codex at the end of an edition only for it to become dead paperweight as soon as the new edition drops. I played Templars through 5th and some of 6th with a 4th ed codex, it was fine.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

25 minutes ago, redmapa said:

 

I would gladly take a weaker older codex that it's still useful for more than a year over buying a codex at the end of an edition only for it to become dead paperweight as soon as the new edition drops. I played Templars through 5th and some of 6th with a 4th ed codex, it was fine.

Still doesn’t feel good to get a codex at the end of an edition, just to have it under powered a few months later.

[Tastyfish]

1 hour ago, Tokugawa said:

Agree. £55 price tag on an one-use expendable transport is something beyond crazy. ETB is their best future. 

 

Question: would you like to see a drop pod model with fixed closed hatch?

 

I could see it crashed at an angle, with just a couple of doors opened, as a way of reducing the number of bits and detail needed.