Codex Space Marines Codex: Space Marine Rumours (2nd wave and/or New Characters)

[crimsondave]

You're welcome.

 

On 2/8/2025 at 7:00 PM, crimsondave said:

I just finished painting my kitbash Pedro Kantor.  Murphy dictates there’s no way they don’t release a brand new one with this.

 

 

Edited February 17 by crimsondave

[jaxom]

11 minutes ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

Pedro is coming and it will be glorious :) 

It’s the exact same as the current model, except wearing Ork skull platform shoes; isn’t it?

[Mmmmm Napalm]

The character updates post-BT refresh have been pretty faithful for the most part, so I'm reasonably hopeful that it will be a faithful and well executed update.

 

Poor shrike... he sacrificed himself so that subsequent primarizations wouldn't be as bad :'(

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

3 hours ago, jaxom said:

It’s the exact same as the current model, except wearing Ork skull platform shoes; isn’t it?

Who knows. Maybe he will take inspiration from the chubby Inquisitor´s playbook and thus might show up in his big boy pants.

When will this 2nd SM wave be released? Summer 2025 or later?

[Robbienw]

3 hours ago, Mmmmm Napalm said:

The character updates post-BT refresh have been pretty faithful for the most part, so I'm reasonably hopeful that it will be a faithful and well executed update.

 

Poor shrike... he sacrificed himself so that subsequent primarizations wouldn't be as bad :'(

What they did to Shrike was terrible, just terrible.

[jaxom]

48 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

When will this 2nd SM wave be released? Summer 2025 or later?

IIRC folks are hypothesizing Chaos Cult codexes will take up all the Spring releases; so Summer at the earliest, maybe later depending on Grey Knights and Black Templars.

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, Robbienw said:

What they did to Shrike was terrible, just terrible.

I think the tactical fence is obnoxious but the model itself is pretty good. 

 

I don't like models with no helmets though by default, so I'm not liking he can only be put together with no helmet. 

[Mmmmm Napalm]

45 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

I think the tactical fence is obnoxious but the model itself is pretty good. 

 

I don't like models with no helmets though by default, so I'm not liking he can only be put together with no helmet. 

I won't debate the change to phobos, because while I don't like it personally I dont think it was the nail in the coffin by any means. There's the fact that conversion is required for him to wear his helmet, like you mentioned. But one aspect of the kit I've always found utterly baffling is that one of his pauldrons *is completely plain*. no unique sculpted detail whatsoever.

 

I get that the RG aren't the flashiest chapter, but he could have easily had a little more sculpted detail without being gaudy. Why not feature a sculpted version of the icon thats been painted onto said pauldron for the boxart miniature?

 

Why not have the boot talons extended, with shrike being posed in-flight swooping down on a target?

[Mmmmm Napalm]

Back on topic, I don't think it's *particularly* likely but I'd love to see an updated intercessor kit featuring bits from older armor marks and other variations. I don't think it's impossible, however; beyond the timetable posted previously, there is further, recent precedent for such a release when one considers the updated stormcast troop kit released a while ago, which as I understand it replaces a kit from the initial stormcast release, and represents the same unit on the tabletop.

[jaxom]

47 minutes ago, Mmmmm Napalm said:

Back on topic, I don't think it's *particularly* likely but I'd love to see an updated intercessor kit featuring bits from older armor marks and other variations. I don't think it's impossible, however; beyond the timetable posted previously, there is further, recent precedent for such a release when one considers the updated stormcast troop kit released a while ago, which as I understand it replaces a kit from the initial stormcast release, and represents the same unit on the tabletop.

My assumption is GW has the CAD file and everything ready to go, and is just waiting for the appropriate "break in case of emergency" moment.

[HeadlessCross]

50 minutes ago, Mmmmm Napalm said:

Back on topic, I don't think it's *particularly* likely but I'd love to see an updated intercessor kit featuring bits from older armor marks and other variations. I don't think it's impossible, however; beyond the timetable posted previously, there is further, recent precedent for such a release when one considers the updated stormcast troop kit released a while ago, which as I understand it replaces a kit from the initial stormcast release, and represents the same unit on the tabletop.

I don't care about the armor bitz as much as I'd just like a couple of extra weapon options. The Deathwatch Kill Teams prove that Intercessors getting some special/heavy weapons aren't some broken thing. Throw in enough stuff to build a Flamer or Plasma or Missile dude and I'd be a happy camper. 

[Commissar Greif]

12 hours ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

Pedro is coming and it will be glorious :) 

I certainly hope so. I've got his old OOP model but he looks so dinky compared to the rest of my marines. Hardly fitting for the master of one of the finest space marine chapters to ever exist.

 

A primaris-style refresh of the old model would be perfect. Back banner and all.

 

Huge fan of your channel, BTW :).

Edited February 18 by Commissar Greif

[Commissar Greif]

5 hours ago, Mmmmm Napalm said:

Back on topic, I don't think it's *particularly* likely but I'd love to see an updated intercessor kit featuring bits from older armor marks and other variations. I don't think it's impossible, however; beyond the timetable posted previously, there is further, recent precedent for such a release when one considers the updated stormcast troop kit released a while ago, which as I understand it replaces a kit from the initial stormcast release, and represents the same unit on the tabletop.

I understand the precedent, though I'm still not convinced entirely we're getting a new Intercessor kit. The current one hasn't aged too terribly, all things considered. It still matches the rest of the Primaris range well. For Stormcasts, the old Liberators were replaced because they no longer matched with the aesthetic direction that SCE were headed towards with the new Thunderstrike armor look.

Still, I think it would be neat to see the older helmet marks included in a new kit if it does happen. Would certainly save me the money of having to source them from old boxes and Ebay myself lol.

[Wispy]

5 hours ago, Commissar Greif said:

I understand the precedent, though I'm still not convinced entirely we're getting a new Intercessor kit. The current one hasn't aged too terribly, all things considered. It still matches the rest of the Primaris range well. For Stormcasts, the old Liberators were replaced because they no longer matched with the aesthetic direction that SCE were headed towards with the new Thunderstrike armor look.

the thing is while it might be a little bit premature to do a new Intercessor kit it is definitely time to do a new Tactical Marine Kit, so consolidating both kits to a single "Bolter Marine Troops" kit with a few extra special weapons makes sense. 

Edited February 18 by Wispy

[Commissar Greif]

2 minutes ago, Wispy said:

the thing is while it might be a little bit premature to do a new Intercessor kit it is definitely time to do a new Tactical Marine Kit, so consolidating both kits to a single "Bolter Marine Troops" kit with a few extra special weapons makes sense. 

Yeah, I could see that, maybe. I've tossed around the idea of "Primaris Tacticals" in my head a few times in the past. With GW moving to a sort of "post-firstborn" model for marines going forward, I suppose it's possible they end up Primaris-ifying the Tacticals. But at the same time, they seem to have been kind of all-in on the idea of, for lack of a better term, mono-weapon marine squads.

 

Remains to be seen what will happen. We're still a little over a year out from 11th edition, anyways.

[Wormwoods]

25 minutes ago, Commissar Greif said:

But at the same time, they seem to have been kind of all-in on the idea of, for lack of a better term, mono-weapon marine squads.

Less so now, though. In 10th we've had Sternguard with a heavy weapon, and free mixing of bolters and combi weapons, the command squad all being uniquely equipped - in a frankly unhelpful way, that squad has like three slightly different bolters in it - and even the terminators have kept their 'and one bigger gun' option. They also gave us Infernus marines, who are a single-gun squad, though, so I suppose it could go either way. Only elites get alternate guns in a squad. 

 

 

[Nephaston]

One way they could also do it is have such a "Tactical Intercessor" squad be both mono bolter and tactical approach redux is by giving them different abilities.

 

If this unit features no special and/or heavy weapons it has XYZ ability in line with the all-bolters approach.

 

If this unit features special and/or heavy weapons it gains ABC ability in line with the tactical approach.

[CL_Mission]

4 hours ago, Wormwoods said:

Less so now, though. In 10th we've had Sternguard with a heavy weapon, and free mixing of bolters and combi weapons, the command squad all being uniquely equipped - in a frankly unhelpful way, that squad has like three slightly different bolters in it - and even the terminators have kept their 'and one bigger gun' option. They also gave us Infernus marines, who are a single-gun squad, though, so I suppose it could go either way. Only elites get alternate guns in a squad. 

 

 

I'd love them to take this approach with Hellblasters as well as Infernus marines when they get the multi-part kit. If Intercessors are old enough to get re-evaluated then so are Hellblasters and like Intercessors they have a bunch of unnecessary parts in their kit since the different Plasma weapons were condensed into a single profile, they could easily give them a plasma cannon for every 5 marines and Infernus marine could a Pyrecannon for every 5.

 

[Moonstalker]

Since Infernus marines are still an ETB kit/only available as part of a starter, I'd put my money on Hellblasters/Infernus marines being combined into a single kit if Hellblasters were to get a new kit.

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, Moonstalker said:

Since Infernus marines are still an ETB kit/only available as part of a starter, I'd put my money on Hellblasters/Infernus marines being combined into a single kit if Hellblasters were to get a new kit.

Kinda like a Devastator kit if you got enough parts to actually equip all the models with the same weapon. I can dig that. 

[Orange Knight]

On 2/17/2025 at 1:44 PM, Chapter Master Valrak said:

Pedro is coming and it will be glorious :) 

 

If true, this is fantastic news. I have been reminding the internet about Pedro for years. The Crimson Fists absolutely deserve model support and recognition as a chapter.

[Orange Knight]

On 2/17/2025 at 9:07 PM, Mmmmm Napalm said:

I won't debate the change to phobos, because while I don't like it personally I dont think it was the nail in the coffin by any means. There's the fact that conversion is required for him to wear his helmet, like you mentioned. But one aspect of the kit I've always found utterly baffling is that one of his pauldrons *is completely plain*. no unique sculpted detail whatsoever.

 

I think the Shrike model is really great. He looks very different from other chapter masters, and I really like that about him. I just wish the RG range had a few other units to go along with him.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

On 2/17/2025 at 1:07 PM, Mmmmm Napalm said:

I won't debate the change to phobos, because while I don't like it personally I dont think it was the nail in the coffin by any means. There's the fact that conversion is required for him to wear his helmet, like you mentioned. But one aspect of the kit I've always found utterly baffling is that one of his pauldrons *is completely plain*. no unique sculpted detail whatsoever.

 

The comparatively lackluster presentation of Shrike's Primaris model actually bolsters the speculation about Sharrowkyn potentially returning and taking over the chapter master role.

 

Aside from the issue you mentioned, there's also the fact that unlike every other Primaris chapter master model we've seen, he was designed with a 40mm base and even painted to still have his 3rd Company pauldron trim. The latter would have been easy enough to change and even with a longer lead time than most people realize the 'eavy Metal team has (a year and a half in the case of the Bladeguard), Shrike still would have been known to be chapter master when that paint was applied. BUT... maybe Sharrowkyn was expected to show up earlier in the lore. That being the case, painting up Shrike as still being 3rd Company Captain - and more notably, putting him on a 40mm base - would make sense if they only planned for him to be in the Chapter Master role for a short time before stepping aside. A classic case of future-proofing a product.

 

(Then again, if Sharrowkyn debuts in 2025, that will mean that Shrike model would "only" be pretending to be a chapter master model for six years, which is a rounding error for GW's release schedule).

 

I'm tempted to speculate that this could even explain the pauldron issue. But then Dante and Azrael both have lackluster right pauldrons as well, even if they at least get a raised scroll.

 

Instead, I'll just note that out of that entire post-Calgar line of models released for the First Founding chapters in 2019 and early 2020, Shrike was the only supposed Chapter Master. It was otherwise a collection of company heroes, in which context the Shrike model looks right at home. But place him next to every Primaris chapter master model we've seen and he looks out of place.

[LSM]

55 minutes ago, Lord Nord in Gravis Armour said:

...and even painted to still have his 3rd Company pauldron trim...

 

While the Raven Guard have been changed into using the standard company colours, they used to distinctly use: red = Assault, yellow = Devastators, green = Tacticals, black = Veterans, white (arms, pads) = officers. (c. 2002)

 

I'm not sure when the change happened, but perhaps Shryke's paintscheme is a vestige of that (which has been accidentally carried forward).

 

 

//

 

Edit: poking around, it seems like the change had happened by 5th, when Shryke was introduced. So - probably not. He has red trim because he was 3rd Company's leader, and when they promoted him in the lore they forgot to change his colour scheme.

Edited February 20 by LSM

[Mandragola]

About 18 months ago I spent a while kit bashing Kantor. Never got round to painting him and haven’t actually played 40K since, so I guess that’s all fine. It was fun doing the kitbash.