Kill Team Blood and Zeal

[Ming the Merciless]

I hope this is'nt going to be the sole World Eaters release alongside the uocoming codex

[TheMawr]

2 minutes ago, Ming the Merciless said:

I hope this is'nt going to be the sole World Eaters release alongside the uocoming codex

 

AoS has the mandatory solo release longer than 40k has.. and the subgames never count towards the quota.

 

I think this is for the WE release :

 

Could still very likely just be a solo character.. worldeaters are up next and there are zero rumors, and this most often happens with solo character releases to completely fly under the radar.

[Borbarad]

1 minute ago, TheMawr said:

 

I think this is for the WE release :

 

People genuinely thought this crude weapoun was part of the EC release 

 

Yeah, I’m bracing for the worst: One character and codex. If we are lucky we’ll keep all of our curent unit selections. 

[CL_Mission]

20 minutes ago, Magos Takatus said:

I like the Zeal part of this set, seeing a dead ringer for Preacher Josef is a nice touch, I guess after seeing Damien 1427 in the Arco Flagellent kit and the Sergeant Stone/gland warrior in the Inquisitorial kit GW is slowly getting the band back together. I also like the missionaries and how they resemble previous minis but with better execution.

The more Inquisitor models they want to bring to 40k the better. Here's hoping Inquisitor Tyrus makes the jump sometime, Lady Orechiel too.

I'd love for the time between the harpoon being teased and this reveal is indicative of the time between this reveal and it going up for pre-order. I don't intend to buy the full box, unless a friend want to split it for the Khorne fellows, but the sooner this box is out the sooner the teams will come separately. I suppose we're likely to have the skellies for AoS before this though but I'm currently blanking on what else could be coming up save the rest of the EC line.

[WARMASTER_]

This is one of the best releases in years IMO it’s strongly biased by the fact that the death cult assassin might now be my joint favourite mini with the BT castellan 

 

I love when GW releases the weirder more obscure side of forces feels like they’re giving the veteran players some love 

[Captain Idaho]

56 minutes ago, SvenIronhand said:

The White Scars recruited from all over the Imperium before the Heresy, i.e Torghun Khan. Not the gotcha you were looking for.

 

Sorry you're missing the point, which was laden with humour (sorry if someone's name really is Nigel here, just not very fantasy edged super human).

 

I'm pointing out there's a narrative theme. Sure, there's likey some people from all stripes in the Legions (a bunch would be Terrans for example) but if I'm playing some into something, it'll have the theme I want.

 

Death Cults were a solid female representation for a super killer able to hold their own with all the boys. That's a theme they exemplified. In an Imperium of 1M worlds, could there be male Death Cultists? Sure. Convert some great and enjoy. But dilute the theme officially? It loses it's narrative and thus interest.

[Rain]

So this is the rumored Khorne KT that people were hoping would be Axes of the Forge (WE allied with Dark Mechanicum) or even Red Butchers? Instead we got more bloody Jakhals? The Tzaangors of Khorne that are somehow even more boring because they are just normal humans and not Beastmen?

 

Disappointing does not even begin to cover it. What a pile of 

Edited 5 hours ago by Rain

[Robbienw]

No they weren’t.

 

That was the theme of a single death cult in Inquisitor 23 years ago.

 

Suggesting all GW death cult models should be female because of that is absurd!

[TheMawr]

Sooo..

 

First of all the entire set, it could turn out to be wrong but the kill teams feel much more warcry-format than kill team format, meaning : A group made of several seperate elements and while each element will have some interchangable options they dont have a generic baseline. While this often created very interesting warbands in warcry GW is VERY bad at integrating such units into the main games and sometimes doesnt even bother ( as in WHU wich functions similar but smaller ) as such these units never become true mainstay and sometimes dissapear just as quick as they appeared. We actually have seen this before in 40k : Elucian Rogue traders and the Gellerpox Infected.

 

But it could just be the nature of the Frateris Militia fitting such an approach ( just as the Inquisitional henchmen did.) and their excistence adding that feeling to the Goremongers, wich could potentially be just like any kill team.

 

Goremongers

 

I like them, they are better jackhals, but I cant help but think these should have been the jackhals in the first place. The legs making them faster and able to leap etc., creating a visage of them being released like hounds.. or dare I say.. jackhals. I wonder if, like other kill teams there is a second baseline for the unit and wether that revolves around the impaler as that again creates a unit that is not just Berzerker cosplayers but something that leaps ahead pinning those trying to escape the onslaught of berzerkers coming.. it creates an interesting cinematic image.  ( one that also requires some to have harpoon guns and javelins/hand harpoons... chains with hooks.. Im getting carried away.

Right now if there isnt another baseline build than the chainweapon swingers.. Im wondering how different their profile will be to jackhals.. or if they even get a seperate datasheet at all...

 

Frateris Militia

 

Was inevitable to return in kill team eventually, but now also covers the return of lots of iconic concepts some only removed this edition. The first truelly warcry style setup, but at least I think it works for them ( better than just being a guard equivalent unit.) I think it also works for their usage in SoB, as it examplifies ragtag solo elements accompanying the SoB army rather than a more military unit with tattered clothes that the old frateris militia where.

 

With that said, now more than ever I feel these fit as Astra Militarum-Ecclesiarch leader units :

I cant put my finger on it why it feels that way exactly, but they feel more at place in guard armies than with the rest of the militia crew and SoB. ( for the record, the older miniature the first one is based on also gave that feeling to me, while the other zealot/missionary types always felt more fitting with SoB.)

[SvenIronhand]

4 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

No they weren’t.

 

That was the theme of a single death cult in Inquisitor 23 years ago.

 

Suggesting all GW death cult models should be female because of that is absurd!

Also, it shrinks the universe to say that the Blanche depiction is the only one that a death cult can be like. "Dilution" is an abstract, subjective term used to veil this. 

[lansalt]

1 hour ago, SvenIronhand said:

The White Scars recruited from all over the Imperium before the Heresy, i.e Torghun Khan. Not the gotcha you were looking for.

Torghun was a rare exception due to being originally marked for the SoH but sent to the Vth Legion at the last minute. The WS did recruit people with "asian" features on purpose, as Scars says:
 

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Many of the others had been taken from the Asiatic hive clusters. Haren disapproved of that. After Unity the Imperium was meant to have moved beyond racial and ethnic stereotyping, so the fact that the V Legion remained mired in the physiognomic traits of their backwater world was an irritant.

 

[Norman Paperman]

Paint job on the Khorne guys needs more RED! Can't say I'm interested in either of these teams, but I want that statue! 

 

 

 

[gideon stargreave]

28 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

Death Cults were a solid female representation for a super killer able to hold their own with all the boys. That's a theme they exemplified. In an Imperium of 1M worlds, could there be male Death Cultists? Sure. Convert some great and enjoy. But dilute the theme officially? It loses it's narrative and thus interest.

In the inquisitor rulebook it never says they are women FYI. At least I can’t find it in their unit entry. But yes, the models and art represented that.

 

like the imperial dudes, dislike the chaos tremendously. Happy wallet 

 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by gideon stargreave

[Timberley]

They're fantastic models for Necromunda!  Redemptionists and Helots.  It's nice to see alternative sculpts for Redemptionists and it's about time we had a real Helots gang in Necromunda, rather than getting random gangers and kitbashing them.  Not sure about the legs, but I'm sure GW will have made them such that they can be easily swapped for regular ganger legs, or they can be a modification for the Disciple to indicate favour from Khorne, and definitely not half-moulded onto the bodies such that it takes more effort than is worthwhile.

 

(Note, some of the above may contain sarcasm.)

 

As Kill Teams, they're not really doing it for me.  I can see the point of them, but they don't scream 'specialist soldiers' at me, more bimbling loons who happen to get in a punch up.

[grailkeeper]

These Imperium models are so John Blanche it hurts. Hope he gets royalties. Nice to see this guy back.

 

 

[Captain Idaho]

Ah it's ok, we don't all have to have to same position regarding the Death Cults representation on the tabletop etc. Just my position on it.

 

Yes these models are great for necromunda too! I'd like more Imperial citizens style models for that purpose, though I do appreciate for some in a game saturated with Imperial stuff, Kill Team could branch out.

[Ramell]

54 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

I cant put my finger on it why it feels that way exactly, but they feel more at place in guard armies than with the rest of the militia crew and SoB. ( for the record, the older miniature the first one is based on also gave that feeling to me, while the other zealot/missionary types always felt more fitting with SoB.)

I think it's because they're pretty heavily kitted out. They look battle-ready and experienced, like they've been campaigning with the Guard for a while. 

[CL_Mission]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

I cant put my finger on it why it feels that way exactly, but they feel more at place in guard armies than with the rest of the militia crew and SoB. ( for the record, the older miniature the first one is based on also gave that feeling to me, while the other zealot/missionary types always felt more fitting with SoB.)

 

I agree they seem like they'd be more at hoe among guardsmen and it's probably down to them looking more orderly, a tiny bit more uniformed. The older model certainly had this feeling too.

These might also have something to do with them feeling more guard-like.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by CL_Mission

[sitnam]

3 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

I actually really like this.

 

World Eaters sending in a bunch of slightly-saner mortals when they want to do SpecOps makes some sense. I totally understand why a lot of World Eaters players will be upset the WE KT doesn't have any actual World Eaters, but as a resident cultist and Lost & Damned shill I think they're pretty cool.

 

I've been hoping to see the Sisters get Fraternis Militia back since the revamp first dropped, so I'm nothing but happy with the second team also. 

 

The only eyebrow raising model for me is the Death Cult Assassin - they look far more mundane and, frankly, generic compared to the pretty iconic designs that went before; even if they wanted to reduce the 'cheesecake' aesthetic they could have done it without turning them into what now looks to be another Officio Assassinorum Assassin rather than an agent of the Ecclesiarchy/Inquisition.

 

Oh and rip that Grey Knights KT I guess?

 

 

You echos my thoughts nearly perfectly. I could care less about more Chaos Marines, I find Chaos far more interesting with mortals mixed in. If Guard troopers can get bionics, I don't see why some enterprising Khornate warlord can't get a Butcher Surgeon or Dark Mechanicum servant to  mutilate some fanatics. It's pretty funny that these guys kind of mirror  the Warcry Khorne warband. These guys see a Bloodthirster and want to emulate it, the Warcry guys do the same with Flesh Hounds.

 

I'm also loving the Ecclisiarchal militia. It's a small but important part of the Ecclisiarchal identity, and brings a bunch of new replacements for some OLD priest models. I'm also not sold on the Death Cultist, but I think a head swap would do it wonders.

 

My only disappointment is no Crusader replacement.

[Doghouse]

100% on board with those Ministorium models, I've been trying to kit bash some for ages.

[Scribe]

6 hours ago, skylerboodie said:

I'm sure more Jakhals is exactly what the World Eaters commmunity was hoping for...

 

I thought it was just Imperials as I scrolled through, which are servicable yet pretty uninspired (that Death Cult assassin is pure meh) but then I hit Jakhals and went....

 

Who wanted this?! Get out of here GW.

 

World Eaters.

 

World

 

Eaters

 

Not some stupid fodder.

 

WORLD EATERS

[sitnam]

@Scribe I understand the frustration on WE fans part due to their limited release, but I just can't help to wonder what a marine WE kill team could really add.

 

We already have Bezerkers, so unless you did an upgrade sprue I don't see those coming in. A upgrade sprue also seems less then suboptimal for faction needing new units.

 

Coming at this from a KT perspective, I also don't see much a marine Khorne team could do that isn't already serviced by the existing Legionaire team.

 

I'll admit, I'm extremely biased because I'm a Lost and the Damned simp. I Beastmen, Traitor Guard, and Cultists.

[Scribe]

1 minute ago, sitnam said:

@Scribe I understand the frustration on WE fans part due to their limited release, but I just can't help to wonder what a marine WE kill team could really add.

 

We already have Bezerkers, so unless you did an upgrade sprue I don't see those coming in. A upgrade sprue also seems less then suboptimal for faction needing new units.

 

Coming at this from a KT perspective, I also don't see much a marine Khorne team could do that isn't already serviced by the existing Legionaire team.

 

I'll admit, I'm extremely biased because I'm a Lost and the Damned simp. I Beastmen, Traitor Guard, and Cultists.

 

They should have given us a Havocs unit.

They should have given us a WE unit, with Bolters.

They could have given a WE unit, with Jump Packs.

 

Hell, I would have taken a unique Bloodletters Unit over another unit of cultists with some metal legs.

 

I do like the squad leader to be fair, but I've always been a fan of Bloodletter heads.

 

I am bitterly disappointed with the WE release, and its not getting better.

[OrkPlayer137]

For the statue, I think it's just a re-release of the statue from the old Battle Sanctum kit.

[Vassakov]

1 hour ago, Captain Idaho said:

Ah it's ok, we don't all have to have to same position regarding the Death Cults representation on the tabletop etc. Just my position on it.

 

Yes these models are great for necromunda too! I'd like more Imperial citizens style models for that purpose, though I do appreciate for some in a game saturated with Imperial stuff, Kill Team could branch out.

 

Well, the Grey Knights novel by Ben Counter (which is actually pretty solid, just ignore the sequels...) had male and female Death Cultists. However, there's definitely been a bit of gender slant.

 

My issue is he looks too much like an Officio Assassinorium operative rather than a religious zealot with a vicious streak of sadomasochism. But maybe that's just me...