Heresy 3.0 in Spring/Summer

[Ahzek451]

I'll admit, I played a lot of 1st, but largely skipped 2nd edition due to life and lack of time. But I did collect the books and I read over them. I recall my initial impressions being that of a rushed transfer/update and incomplete. Releasing books like the Martian civil war that had more to do with marines than mechanicus. There were many moves to tweak and fix the issues of 1st, but felt like they only had time to address some of them. 

2nd edition screams like GW making the decision to shift control of HH under a new roof(from forgeworld), making it more mainstream and available via new plastics, attempting to recover and tweak 1st edition to a just functional enough ruleset to help support the sale of new plastic miniatures.....under quite a hectic time constraint. Almost like GW recovering and deciphering the almost lost STC that was 1st edition and making it usable again in modernity. 

That being said, I wouldn't mind a 3rd edition if it meant that GW actually took the time to polish what they had in 2nd and really put the time and effort and love it deserves (now that the main factions are mostly available via plastic models). As long as they keep it from being too much like 40k. Being that HH seems to attract more of the easy-going narrative gamers.

But based on GW's trends, I won't let my hopes up too much. If it does end up with a nice coat of polish, come on GW let an edition breath for once. Give it some time to stretch. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Ahzek451

[ZeroWolf]

29 minutes ago, Xenith said:

I recall 3rd ed being 1999, then 4th ed was either late 2005 or 2006 - we were still on the 3.5 ed with updated vehicle rules in September 2005 at least. 4th ed was very much a streamlining of 3rd ed, incorporating all the additional rules that came out over 3rd ed, like modified melee, vehicle access points, and no charging from non-assault transports. I'm hoping HH3.0 will be similar, just a quality of life update to balance a few things leaving the core rules intact. 

Looking online, 3rd edition was October 1998 while 4th was August 2004. 4th edition itself lasted just under 4 years with 5th coming out in July 2008....looking further, the three year cycle didn't really kick in till 7th edition became 8th.

 

Fun fact: 3rd edition is the 2nd longest edition after Rogue Trader (5 years and 10 months versus 6 years and 1 month respectively)

[dicebod]

Unpopular opinion incoming....I welcome a new edition.

 

To take a step back from internet negativity, the attention GW has given this game system over the past 2.5 years has been nothing short of astounding. Plastic renditions of so many kits that previously were out of reach for folks who didn't have the time, money, or modeling wherewithal to deal with resin. Accessible ways to get into non-marine armies. A much, much, MUCH lower barrier to entry for the hobby. I've been running heresy events for the better part of a decade at this point and I can tell you that, at least in my local community, heresy has never seen more interest. For as much as we complain about the lack of a WE praetor or whatever, the vast amounts of new and updated kits we've received recently is, IMHO, more-or-less beyond reproach.

But all that's to say, I think 2.0 from a rules perspective has quite a few shortcomings. Unbalanced reactions, lack of balance in general (both internally within Libers and across army lists), boring missions, and the lack of a consistent design philosophy. To me, it's always felt like a sidegrade from 1.0 - some things are better, some things are worse. So I'm excited for the prospect of a new edition that can smooth out some of these rough edges and actually make this game *fun to play.*

[Orange Knight]

So I was contemplating updating my army and getting a few new units.

 

Honestly, the cost is just silly. The resin models are ugly as sin and expensive. I am able to perhaps convert some plastic alternatives to be counts as, but it's a lot of effort and shopping for bits here and there.

 

Alternatively, it would be easier for me to start a new 40k army. I know some people miss the kit customisation and bit swapping, but it can be such a pain to try and put together specific wargear selections. It's not worth it for me.

[Robbienw]

Which resin models specifically?  There are rather a lot of resin models in the Heresy range still, and to slur all of them as 'ugly as sin' is absurd and verging on surreal.

 

The plastic range is broadly equivalent to 40k prices, and you'll find most necessary units within that i would have thought,

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Robbienw

[Orange Knight]

The Invectarus Suzerein.

 

Ugly, squat, bulky and bad resin miniatures. I actually used to own some and sold them off because they were so bad.

[Robbienw]

Ah yes, they are not great.  Well detailed, but they don't work well visually.  The ultramarines really got the short end of the stick in terms of 30k special units, literally every other legion has nicer (and often more) elites 

Edited 1 hour ago by Robbienw

[ZeroWolf]

1 hour ago, Robbienw said:

Ah yes, they are not great.  Well detailed, but they don't work well visually.  The ultramarines really got the short end of the stick in terms of 30k special units, literally every other legion has nicer (and often more) elites 

Probably the other side of the coin to being poster boys of 40k. Though given that I do Ultramarines in 40k I'd likely choose someone else for HH