Heresy 3.0 in Spring/Summer

[Spagunk]

  On 3/13/2025 at 2:01 PM, Orange Knight said:

The Invectarus Suzerein.

 

Ugly, squat, bulky and bad resin miniatures. I actually used to own some and sold them off because they were so bad.

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Yeah, a lot of earlier kits (was it REALLY 10 years ago? Dang, time flies) tended to be more "crunchy" with details and were way more squat/thin than even the plastics at the time.

[WrathOfTheLion]

  On 3/14/2025 at 4:26 PM, Spagunk said:

Yeah, a lot of earlier kits (was it REALLY 10 years ago? Dang, time flies) tended to be more "crunchy" with details and were way more squat/thin than even the plastics at the time.

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I can just imagine if we get a dedicated plastic Destroyer kit. I love the older ones, but they don't do how up armored they're supposed to be justice.

[Spagunk]

In the grim darkness of the far future-past, there are only pencil legged marines!

[Interrogator Stobz]

  On 3/13/2025 at 2:01 PM, Orange Knight said:

The Invectarus Suzerein.

 

Ugly, squat, bulky and bad resin miniatures. I actually used to own some and sold them off because they were so bad.

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I agree. Some are awful.

But everything resin in the Dark Angels range is beautiful. 

So, it's not a resin vs. plastic issue. That's a silly way to go.

I do prefer working with plastic, but that's different. 

 

On the topic of 3rd Ed, does HH need it? I've been thinking about starting the game, but edition churn is what put me off 40k, so....hesitation continues 

Edited March 14 by Interrogator Stobz

[Cleon]

As much as I completely sympathise with the 'keep the Libre, update the core rules' idea for the next edition, my feeling is the cross legion rules balance is so bad that you're better off ripping off the band aid and re-doing the Libre too than hamstringing your fix by keeping them - assuming you have good people who are given the time to do a better job.

[WARMASTER_]

  On 3/14/2025 at 1:37 AM, Tokugawa said:

Why no plastic HH bikes yet? Because GW don't want 40K CSM players buying them, instead of current ancient trash, or future £45 expensive 3 models box? 

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Yeh I’d love to see some bikes fast attack in general could do with some plastic love, Javelin speeder, Storm Eagle and some Dreadclaw’s would be very welcome in plastic 

[Khulu]

 

My Scars would be ecstatic if they made plastic Outriders and Javelins. Never gonna pay FW prices for Outriders!

[Halandaar]

Much as the idea of yet another game going to a hard 3-year cycle disgusts me, at least with Heresy it's about 5 books total for the entire system, not a rulebook and 25 new Codexes where nearly half of them only get a year of usability.

[infyrana]

  On 3/14/2025 at 12:00 AM, Plaguecaster said:

Give me plastic breachers GW and I'll sell my soul and financial stability buying a boxset or 2 no matter the price 

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Indeed, can't wait for a full set Breachers in plastic, I will be buying multiples that's for sure.  Couple with some plastic Fellblade/Falchions, plastic Caestus Rams and plastic Dreadclaws (hey, I can hope!), and I'll be taking up a second job lol.

Should 3.0 be the way they go with new books and all, it would be good to see more legacy legion specific units be integrated back into the main books, as well as having the remaining available still as a legacies option if that's what they choose.  I know some kits have been out of print for some time (Caestus), but I would very much like to see some of them back.

[Mogger351]

  On 3/14/2025 at 10:22 PM, Halandaar said:

Much as the idea of yet another game going to a hard 3-year cycle disgusts me, at least with Heresy it's about 5 books total for the entire system, not a rulebook and 25 new Codexes where nearly half of them only get a year of usability.

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I don't know, I can see the supplement system or arcane journal type process for marines coming in.

[WrathOfTheLion]

  On 3/14/2025 at 7:58 PM, Interrogator Stobz said:

On the topic of 3rd Ed, does HH need it? I've been thinking about starting the game, but edition churn is what put me off 40k, so....hesitation continues 

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I think it would probably benefit a lot, as they can refine the rules some, and it gives some more excitement to go with it. This time will be significantly different, as they have a larger range available, especially with Mechanicum and Solar Auxilia. The previous launch was good, but somewhat harder for new people to explore and get into, as the range hadn't been released yet. This time they'll be able to carry a lot more momentum because of the kits that they released during 2E.

[Halandaar]

  On 3/15/2025 at 8:08 AM, Mogger351 said:

I don't know, I can see the supplement system or arcane journal type process for marines coming in.

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I don't doubt for a second that someone at GW has floated the idea of switching the two Liber books to a single army list book with the generic units in (like the old red book) supplemented by 18 different Arcane Journal style softbacks at ~£17 a pop. Whether or not they go for it is another question; with Old World they had a clean slate to set it up like that, with Heresy it would feel a lot more like having content taken away for the sole purpose of being able to sell it to you over again and would cause significant backlash. 

Edited March 15 by Halandaar

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

  On 3/14/2025 at 9:41 PM, Cleon said:

As much as I completely sympathise with the 'keep the Libre, update the core rules' idea for the next edition, my feeling is the cross legion rules balance is so bad that you're better off ripping off the band aid and re-doing the Libre too than hamstringing your fix by keeping them - assuming you have good people who are given the time to do a better job.

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I refuse to buy the Liber books all over again. Despite having started to build a 30K force in 2022 I have only managed to get two games in. Because of this the vast majority of the content provided in those books looks to me of being brand new. So there is no need to waste money on "Bookromunda". 

[TheArtilleryman]

  On 3/15/2025 at 7:36 PM, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

I refuse to buy the Liber books all over again. Despite having started to build a 30K force in 2022 I have only managed to get two games in. Because of this the vast majority of the content provided in those books looks to me of being brand new. So there is no need to waste money on "Bookromunda". 

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This is me. I’ve only been in heresy less than a year and I’ve not even played one game. I won’t buy any new libers either if that’s what’s coming, because I’m more about the models and collecting than anything else.

[Gorgoff]

  On 3/15/2025 at 7:54 PM, TheArtilleryman said:

This is me. I’ve only been in heresy less than a year and I’ve not even played one game. 

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Why so?

[TheArtilleryman]

  On 3/15/2025 at 8:40 PM, Gorgoff said:

Why so?

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No community for it near me, nobody to play. My son and I play 40K and a bit of kill team but we haven’t got around to playing heresy yet, partly time and partly because he doesn’t collect and I guess  it’s a pain learning another set of rules.

[Naryn]

Hypothetically, it's possible that the more games get on the edition treadmill the better. If the cycle goes 40k-aos-tow that's a 3-year turnaround, but add in Heresy and 40k-Aos-HH-ToW over 4 years doesnt seem so bad. That's about what we had before 8th and I thought that amount of updating felt right.

 

The downside would be if they added another one, but didn't extend the cycle timeline, making everything a little more rushed over the same time frame.

[Xenith]

ToW was a November release, same as other mainline, specialist, non-core games, so is unlikely to feature in the 3 year rolling scheme unless it pulling in AoS levels of cash. 

 

GW has been pretty consistent with the big black book style of releases for heresy, I don't see that becoming an arcane journal format anytime soon. ToW was a low budget type of release anyway to keep their hands on the IP (I assume) that got wildly more successful than they anticipated! 

[Gorgoff]

I may throw in that it is always possible to play with digital rules (arrr matey) only so no worries about them getting replaced. 

 

The old saying goes for a reason like that:

Rules change, models stay. 

 

If one is interested in the game just dive in. 

[Mandragola]

I’m curious to see how thy go about releasing all the books for 3.0. At the start of 2.0 there was a bit of a wait for the mech and imperium books, where there were no rules for those factions. I don’t think they’d want that now, given they have large plastic ranges for mech and SA, which they’ll want to sell (and to a lesser extent, support for existing players). 
 

Thats assuming they do a full rewrite and not just a glorified FAQ of course. 
 

I don’t know what Saturnine terminators will look like but it might not be all that close to previous things we’ve seen. I was personally never a fan of the massive shoulder pad guys who look like they wouldn’t be able to move their arms. Mostly likely I think they just wanted an excuse to make new models and sell them to us.

 

Adepticon is in a couple of weeks. I expect we’ll learn more the , if it’s a summer release. 

[MasterBlaster]

  On 3/16/2025 at 10:10 AM, Gorgoff said:

I may throw in that it is always possible to play with digital rules (arrr matey) only so no worries about them getting replaced. 

 

The old saying goes for a reason like that:

Rules change, models stay. 

 

If one is interested in the game just dive in. 

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This. I genuinely cannot fathom how people just bend over and let gw tell them when and how to get . Used to be a huge diy/homegrown feel to WFB and first edition heresy. Made for a better player base not full of people waiting to be told what to do. 

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[DemonGSides]

  On 3/16/2025 at 12:04 PM, MasterBlaster said:

This. I genuinely cannot fathom how people just bend over and let gw tell them when and how to get . Used to be a huge diy/homegrown feel to WFB and first edition heresy. Made for a better player base not full of people waiting to be told what to do. 

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People calcify in their ways as they get older and out of the box thinking gets harder. 

[SkimaskMohawk]

  On 3/16/2025 at 9:45 AM, Xenith said:

ToW was a November release, same as other mainline, specialist, non-core games, so is unlikely to feature in the 3 year rolling scheme unless it pulling in AoS levels of cash. 

 

GW has been pretty consistent with the big black book style of releases for heresy, I don't see that becoming an arcane journal format anytime soon. ToW was a low budget type of release anyway to keep their hands on the IP (I assume) that got wildly more successful than they anticipated! 

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LI released in November; TOW released in January of all places.

 

But ya, there's been a persistent through line of the style of book for the HH setting. 1st, AT, 2nd, and LI share the same style of campaign book/supplement. Couldn't imagine them changing that for 3rd, but I've been surprised by their lack of consistency and care for collections before. 

[Matcap86]

  On 3/16/2025 at 1:40 PM, SkimaskMohawk said:

 

LI released in November; TOW released in January of all places.

 

But ya, there's been a persistent through line of the style of book for the HH setting. 1st, AT, 2nd, and LI share the same style of campaign book/supplement. Couldn't imagine them changing that for 3rd, but I've been surprised by their lack of consistency and care for collections before. 

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LI also missed its release slot and was delayed till November. Initially planned for August. 

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[TheArtilleryman]

I think it’s less about waiting to be told what to do and more just being disappointed to finally get into something and fork out money for books only to potentially be told they’re obsolete within a year. I mean, luckily I got an amazing deal on the books so it’s not that bad, but it’s still irritating.
 

I'll probably go the same way with it that I have with 40K and just ignore the new rules as I don’t have a community to play against anyway. With 10th 40K I’ve just stuck with the index rules so with this I’ll just stick with the black books I’ve got.

 

A compromise would be if the black books stay valid with the new rule book, like with 8th - 9th 40K, in which case if I end up getting a cheap copy of the big box then great, fine. But I’m not buying more new libers.

 

On the bright side, the old libers might suddenly get cheap on eBay after launch and be worth picking up to complete the set.

Edited March 16 by TheArtilleryman