Heresy 3.0 in Spring/Summer

[Spagunk]

TBH, I'd only be interested in the mk2 and the book. A (potential) saturnine dread seems unnecessary and saturnine terminators don't have a niche unless they're essentially the "heavy gun" terminator niche.

Now if a Saturnine dread was a version of the Deredeo but with standard weapons...you may have something.

[TheArtilleryman]

6 hours ago, Aarik said:

Another dreadnought seems unnecessary, I don't know what niche it would fill.

I agree with this and would prefer tanks or skimmers. But I think in HH the idea of a “niche to fill” is pretty redundant. Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where all the kids go nuts for the doll with the new hat - people will literally buy any plastic GW release in this game because They. Want. Everything.

[Matcap86]

9 hours ago, TheArtilleryman said:

I agree with this and would prefer tanks or skimmers. But I think in HH the idea of a “niche to fill” is pretty redundant. Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where all the kids go nuts for the doll with the new hat - people will literally buy any plastic GW release in this game because They. Want. Everything.

 

But... I want it... because it looks cool. Gameplay niche is way down on the priorities ladder for me.

[Robbienw]

They simply must do a plastic version of the MKIV Castaferrum.  Heresy won't be complete without it!!!

[Ripper.McGuirl]

Whether or not I like the models will in large part be determined by what’s in the book. If it’s a brand new refresh edition, I don’t really care what the models are.

[Gorgoff]

Apparently some people claim to have seen the actual backside of the new box which allegedly include the following:

30-40 MK2

2x 3 Saturnite Terminaters in part with double Plasma Cannons

2 HQs

A new Dreadnought akin to the Leviathan. 

A talented dude made a new version of the very, very old dreadnought from Rogue Trader.

I hope that the dreadnought looks like this:

[darkhorse0607]

Oh great, the Cylons are building dreadnoughts now

[Gorgoff]

31 minutes ago, darkhorse0607 said:

Oh great, the Cylons are building dreadnoughts now

It's based on this model.

And since we saw many ancient models remade in Horus Heresy it is at least not completely unlikely that this is the dreadnought we will get.

[ZeroWolf]

Which ones were the saturnine terminators again? Were they the oval-ish ones from very early RT?

[Ammonius]

Oh wow. Is that a Furibundus? Talk about a nostalgia hit, especially with that nice flat plate to paint teeth on :)

[Gorgoff]

18 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

Which ones were the saturnine terminators again? Were they the oval-ish ones from very early RT?

Usualy people think of these:

[Burni]

I hope it is a smaller sized dread like the Furibundus, I was so obsessed with that model back in the day. 
 

Isn’t Adepticon next week? WHC don’t seem to have mentioned it but they usually do a preview there right? Do we think the HH v3 announcement might come then?

[Matcap86]

46 minutes ago, Burni said:

I hope it is a smaller sized dread like the Furibundus, I was so obsessed with that model back in the day. 
 

Isn’t Adepticon next week? WHC don’t seem to have mentioned it but they usually do a preview there right? Do we think the HH v3 announcement might come then?

 

I'd imagine so. There's usually some big announcements with Adepticon and if the rumored release date of early summer are correct this would be an excellent time to start building hype. 

[LSM]

1 hour ago, ZeroWolf said:

Which ones were the saturnine terminators again? Were they the oval-ish ones from very early RT?

 

We don't know.

 

The name was in the fluff, and then people associated it with the RT "egg-man" TDA. (Especially third-party bits/model sellers.)

 

But the only established things about it are:

• It is mentioned in The Horus Heresy Book One - Betrayal, akin to Tartaros and Indomitus, in the general TDA section. (Which says that most patterns were "functionally identical", at the time only separating out Cataphractii as unique.)
• It entered production mid-Heresy (and then assumedly stopped production post-Heresy in favour of Indomitus being standardised), per the 2.0 core rulebook.
• A 2019 Warhammer Community article on TDA says that there is little functional difference between the Saturnine and Indomitus patterns, mostly being an aesthetic divergence. 

That's it.

 

With the popularity of the "egg-man" design amongst third parties, however, I could easily see them deciding to adopt the fanon. But there's tons of room for Saturnine Terminators to be whatever, and conversely it's also possible that the set has new "egg-man" TDA that's not called Saturnine.

 

(Note that Leagues of Votann's Hearthguard are also, according to Jes Goodwin, based on that RT Terminator model.) 

 

Edited March 21 by LSM

[No Foes Remain]

44 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

We don't know.

 

The name was in the fluff, and then people associated it with the RT "egg-man" TDA. (Especially third-party bits/model sellers.)

 

But the only established things about it are:

• It is mentioned in The Horus Heresy Book One - Betrayal, akin to Tartaros and Indomitus, in the general TDA section. (Which says that most patterns were "functionally identical", at the time only separating out Cataphractii as unique.)
• It entered production mid-Heresy (and then assumedly stopped production post-Heresy in favour of Indomitus being standardised), per the 2.0 core rulebook.
• A 2019 Warhammer Community article on TDA says that there is little functional difference between the Saturnine and Indomitus patterns, mostly being an aesthetic divergence. 

That's it.

 

With the popularity of the "egg-man" design amongst third parties, however, I could easily see them deciding to adopt the fanon. But there's tons of room for Saturnine Terminators to be whatever, and conversely it's also possible that the set has new "egg-man" TDA that's not called Saturnine.

 

(Note that Leagues of Votann's Hearthguard are also, according to Jes Goodwin, based on that RT Terminator model.) 

 

 

There was also this image from the 2.0 rulebook, which shows it being a 'late' issue. Could be that it was a mark that didn't go anywhere and the Cataphractii was favoured over it and it got broken out due to the sudden need for heavy infantry, or GW changing things up because they can and will work out a reason later.

 

 

 

[Valkyrion]

Just to throw a complete curveball out there - the only other 'unique' terminator armour GW have ever made is the original Grey Knight suits.

They had the more oval shoulder pads, I don't know the word for it properly but the vambrace/gauntlet was markedly different, the head was completely different, plus the obvious Saturn(ine) + Titan connection and their second founding legacy. 

 

 

[LSM]

58 minutes ago, No Foes Remain said:

There was also this image from the 2.0 rulebook, which shows it being a 'late' issue. Could be that it was a mark that didn't go anywhere and the Cataphractii was favoured over it and it got broken out due to the sudden need for heavy infantry, or GW changing things up because they can and will work out a reason later.

 

'The Age of Darkness' in this context is referring to the Horus Heresy itself.

 

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19 minutes ago, Valkyrion said:

Just to throw a complete curveball out there - the only other 'unique' terminator armour GW have ever made is the original Grey Knight suits.

They had the more oval shoulder pads, I don't know the word for it properly but the vambrace/gauntlet was markedly different, the head was completely different, plus the obvious Saturn(ine) + Titan connection and their second founding legacy. 

 

 

I had wondered about that, but it appears that GK TDA being called 'Aegis pattern' pre-dates the mention of 'Saturnine pattern'. (Unless the writer didn't know that GK TDA had already been given a name.)

 

Edited March 21 by LSM

[jimbo1701]

1 hour ago, Valkyrion said:

Just to throw a complete curveball out there - the only other 'unique' terminator armour GW have ever made is the original Grey Knight suits.

They had the more oval shoulder pads, I don't know the word for it properly but the vambrace/gauntlet was markedly different, the head was completely different, plus the obvious Saturn(ine) + Titan connection and their second founding legacy. 

 

 

Weren’t there a few other suits also, one of which (right) seem to have evolved into the indomitus pattern we know and love. 
 

 

[sarabando]

there was a big wave of C&D to 3d sculpters doing the classic saturnine design a while back too which to me indicates that GW was protecting a design 

[Waaagh?]

Instead of Saturnine I honestly prefer they redid the Cataphractii/Tartaros kits to be slightly bigger and bulkier and gave them a few more plastic weapons in the box.

 

I might be the only one who thinks Saturnine look a bit dumb with the giant shoulder pads.

 

Id be happy for MK2 or plastic rapiers though. But I find it surprising they're doing MK2 before redoing MK4. Figured that would be next after the redone MK3.

 

 

Honestly if I had my way, I'd essentially redo the contents of the Calth box (MK4, Cataphractii, termie praetor and chaplain) but replace the contemptor with the Castaferrum.....maybe chuck in an unreleased in plastic variant of sicaran to bulk it out 

Edited March 21 by Waaagh?

[Valkyrion]

49 minutes ago, LSM said:

 

'The Age of Darkness' in this context is referring to the Horus Heresy itself.

 

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I had wondered about that, but it appears that GK TDA being called 'Aegis pattern' pre-dates the mention of 'Saturnine pattern'. (Unless the writer didn't know that GK TDA had already been given a name.)

 

 

'Aegis' as a name could easily have evolved from Saturnine pattern if it passed into the exclusive domain of the Grey Knights after the war as the Aegis is the anti-warp maguffin that runs through it. 

 

@jimbo1701 by 'only' other I meant the only other one not yet talked about in the thread, not the only other one ever.

 

I'm 90% sure that it's going to be closer to the one on the left, but no expects the future inquisition so it could be a surprise!

 

 

[Nephaston]

59 minutes ago, jimbo1701 said:

Weren’t there a few other suits also, one of which (right) seem to have evolved into the indomitus pattern we know and love. 
 

I posted them a couple of pages ago, in slightly better res.

 

The yellow one probably is just proto-indomitus, which leaves Egginator and Frown-master 5000 if they are going for another memberberry resculpt.

[Mandragola]

I’m very interested to see these terminators. The rumour seems to be that they’ll be in squads of three. Does that imply something chunkier than what we have already?

 

Weve got very little to go on really. The fluff and fan theories don’t particularly match. I understood (perhaps wrongly) that those egg-man and other terminator designs were described as early terminator designs, yet apparently saturnine was only introduced during the heresy itself. And here they are in a box with mk2s, from the beginning of the crusade. 
 

It’s all a bit weird. My best guess is that they’ll be something completely new. I’m sure a section of the community will be cross if they don’t get egg-men though. 

[No Foes Remain]

If a announcement/release is close then we're going to deal with a lot of people throwing out crap just for the clicks and likes, so finding what's real in all of that is going to be hard.

 

That being said, not sure if I am sold on the Egg-Suit idea and doesn't really fit into the fluff I have for either of my main armies.

[Unknown Legionnaire]

IF with a capital 'I' and capital 'F' any of this is true and actually happens ...

 

... it will be more about people coming to terms / accepting yet another ruleset, either comptletly new or rather revised, for a game that in their heads and hearts has a lifespan and edition cycle far beyond the silly GW three year bracket.

Let's face it, most of us have been in it since ... 2012 / 2013 and a lot of passion projects and army projects simply take years to realize for an adult who is working full time, taking care of friends and family and life in general. So for some of us, it's really annoying or frustrating to get a project to the point where it might be considered finished or 'playable' just to then have it invalidated by a new edition coming out. It sure happened to me when 2.0 came out.

Besides that, HH 2.0 is a fine game, it has some weaknesses, but it turned out way better than I thought it would. But that's not the point here.

It's more about the above-mentioned long-term projects that get (partially) screwed up. 

And I believe a lot of people can relate to that.

 

On the subject of Saturnine or 'Egginators' etc.  ...

... even if the supposedly new models are bad, these will have new rules that'll be different from Cataphractii, Tartaros and Indomitus terminators.

So, if the rules a neat but the models not so much, people will probably just use 3rd party models, which have been around for years now.

 

RE: Dreadnoughts: Kinda happy I scrubbed and de-colorized my old 'Space Crusade' dreadnoughts I painted as a teenager 

But still, I'd be more up for a re-release of ye olde Castra-Ferrum, FW-style, instead of a potential resculpt of 'Furibundus' or even the afore-mentioned.

FW-style is being faded out though, just in case some people didn't notice.

They literally killed FW when they merged their websites and released 2.0, decouraging you from using old (mostly vehicle) resin kits and turning 'new' named characters from FW-style models into goofy looking comic-style models (not all of them, but a fair amount for sure).