Heresy 3.0 in Spring/Summer

[alfred_the_great]

2 hours ago, Waaagh? said:

 

 

I might be the only one who thinks Saturnine look a bit dumb with the giant shoulder pads.

 

 

nope, they look stupid - if for no other reason than they are beyond even “get my tank closer so I can hit them with my chainsword” militarily impractical. 

[Gorgoff]

5 hours ago, LSM said:

 

We don't know.

 

The name was in the fluff, and then people associated it with the RT "egg-man" TDA. (Especially third-party bits/model sellers.)

 

But the only established things about it are:

• It is mentioned in The Horus Heresy Book One - Betrayal, akin to Tartaros and Indomitus, in the general TDA section. (Which says that most patterns were "functionally identical", at the time only separating out Cataphractii as unique.)
• It entered production mid-Heresy (and then assumedly stopped production post-Heresy in favour of Indomitus being standardised), per the 2.0 core rulebook.
• A 2019 Warhammer Community article on TDA says that there is little functional difference between the Saturnine and Indomitus patterns, mostly being an aesthetic divergence. 

That's it.

 

With the popularity of the "egg-man" design amongst third parties, however, I could easily see them deciding to adopt the fanon. But there's tons of room for Saturnine Terminators to be whatever, and conversely it's also possible that the set has new "egg-man" TDA that's not called Saturnine.

 

(Note that Leagues of Votann's Hearthguard are also, according to Jes Goodwin, based on that RT Terminator model.) 

 

If the rumors are true and these people who claim that they have seen the back of the new box are not lying, they saw 2x 3 new terminators. 

 

That gives me the idea that those are way bigger than regular terminators. That and having two heavy weapons let me ibsta tly thi k of Obliterators from CSM. Could them be the forebears of that? We will see.

2 hours ago, Waaagh? said:

 

Honestly if I had my way, I'd essentially redo the contents of the Calth box (MK4, Cataphractii, termie praetor and chaplain) but replace the contemptor with the Castaferrum.....maybe chuck in an unreleased in plastic variant of sicaran to bulk it out 

No I want you to have your way. 

[Valkyrion]

1 hour ago, Mandragola said:

I’m very interested to see these terminators. The rumour seems to be that they’ll be in squads of three. Does that imply something chunkier than what we have already?

 

Weve got very little to go on really. The fluff and fan theories don’t particularly match. I understood (perhaps wrongly) that those egg-man and other terminator designs were described as early terminator designs, yet apparently saturnine was only introduced during the heresy itself. And here they are in a box with mk2s, from the beginning of the crusade. 
 

It’s all a bit weird. My best guess is that they’ll be something completely new. I’m sure a section of the community will be cross if they don’t get egg-men though. 

 

At least the egg-men exist, even if they are retconned to later in the period.

What doesn't exist anywhere in the established lore at legion level are 3 man super terminator squads. There might be the odd fringe case within certain legions that their super duper elites only march in 3's, but not at standard legion that comes in a box level. 

 

I'll buy the box set no doubt, but they might be a thing I pretend doesn't exist, like Desolators in 40k, Leagues of Votann, or the Rynn's World novel. 

[TheArtilleryman]

8 hours ago, Robbienw said:

They simply must do a plastic version of the MKIV Castaferrum.  Heresy won't be complete without it!!!

Isn’t that just a regular box dread?

[Son of Rawl]

Depending on how big they are, and the squad size. They are sounding more like Heresy Centurion suits.

[Robbienw]

29 minutes ago, TheArtilleryman said:

Isn’t that just a regular box dread?

It’s a specific version, the MKIV type that forgeworld used to sell.  

[Unknown Legionnaire]

30 minutes ago, Son of Rawl said:

 They are sounding more like Heresy Centurion suits.

  

  

[DeadFingers]

50 minutes ago, Son of Rawl said:

Depending on how big they are, and the squad size. They are sounding more like Heresy Centurion suits.

More like Heresy pre-Obliterators, considering half this box is supposedly Iron Warriors.

 

I know the box is most likely going to be Legion-neutral, but still.

Edited March 21 by DeadFingers

[Corswain]

If they look like the egg-man terminators I'm in. If they resemble the 40K Centurians in any way then it's a big no from me.

I'd still maybe get the box but those dudes are getting turned into corpses for scenery.

[Nephaston]

If they do the crossed armed, stilt-legged power armour for yo power amour thing it would be horrible, if they take the general aesthetic but with reasonable proportions I could be convinced.  Especially now that centurions aren't that much bigger than indomitus terminators, Shrink em down a tad, make 'em look a bit like an Aggressor on roids/Obliterator having a baby with a terminator and you could have something that looks good.

[Valkyrion]

I don't want to speak for the community, but I'm going to, and everyone would have been happy with plastic breachers, rapiers, javelins, destroyers, seekers, recons, xiphons, storm eagles, fire raptors, dreadnought pods, termites, outriders, box dreads, sabres, land speeders in any combination. There's enough there to get us to HH4.0 and even 5.0 with new armour marks. Even Tarantulas and Helios Launchers would be a 'oh, don't want it but it's cool' thing. 

What no one in the 30k community wants is something brand spanking new that hasn't been seen in 50 novels, 10 black books, 2 game editions and 20+ years of lore. 

 

I hope I'm wrong and I'm made to eat this post when it turns out its redone catas that someone misidentified.  But....

[DeadFingers]

3 minutes ago, Valkyrion said:

I don't want to speak for the community, but I'm going to, and everyone would have been happy with plastic breachers, rapiers, javelins, destroyers, seekers, recons, xiphons, storm eagles, fire raptors, dreadnought pods, termites, outriders, box dreads, sabres, land speeders in any combination. There's enough there to get us to HH4.0 and even 5.0 with new armour marks. Even Tarantulas and Helios Launchers would be a 'oh, don't want it but it's cool' thing. 

What no one in the 30k community wants is something brand spanking new that hasn't been seen in 50 novels, 10 black books, 2 game editions and 20+ years of lore. 

Guess I don't exist then. Or I'm Odysseus reborn. One of the two.

[Unknown Legionnaire]

Oh, I can totally live with new plastic crack, Saturnine or not, no problem, dun' care.

Even if I still prefer muh resin kits.

 

But I'll be pissed if they release an uninspired and worse-than-before rules revamp that once again invalidates army lists and / or projects.

 

 

[Valkyrion]

17 minutes ago, DeadFingers said:

Guess I don't exist then. Or I'm Odysseus reborn. One of the two.

 

My mistake. 

If you don't mind me asking though, why? Why do you want something brand new, never before seen in all of the lore? It's now basically a futuristic historical wargame - the lore has finished, the story has ended, and there's nothing new under the sun. If there is, that's what the Legion unique units are for. 

 

Also, you definitely exist, Noman. 

[Nephaston]

13 minutes ago, Valkyrion said:

If you don't mind me asking though, why? Why do you want something brand new, never before seen in all of the lore? It's now basically a futuristic historical wargame - the lore has finished, the story has ended, and there's nothing new under the sun. If there is, that's what the Legion unique units are for. 

Ah, but do we know everything? Every conflict, on every planet, within every sector? An not just the famous ones. A similar complaint was raised when 30k 2.0 was revealed, when people perceived that set of 40 MkVI somehow meant that it is now far too common within all the legions, and didn't just represent an minute part of massive legions spread across a galaxy.

We do not know about every bit of gear that may or may not have been used during the heresy, especially when considering the existence of prototypes pressed into service, experimental marks, low batch numbers, regional variants, and the occasional tech-heresy. The galaxy is a big place. Too big for even 50 novels.

[Captain Idaho]

Plenty of scope for new models and life injected into the game AND updated versions of outstanding units we all know and love.

 

Have to be optimistic on this one. I believe GW will reap the benefits of new models released and that would potentially move the game into a position where it's considered supported and thriving enough.

 

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On a personal level, I always like Dreads and a new one would be cool potentially.

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

4 hours ago, Valkyrion said:

 

At least the egg-men exist, even if they are retconned to later in the period.

What doesn't exist anywhere in the established lore at legion level are 3 man super terminator squads. There might be the odd fringe case within certain legions that their super duper elites only march in 3's, but not at standard legion that comes in a box level. 

 

I'll buy the box set no doubt, but they might be a thing I pretend doesn't exist, like Desolators in 40k, Leagues of Votann, or the Rynn's World novel. 

And the squad leader´s name shall be... Humpty Dumpty. Just be careful with those terrain checks or you will receive scrambled eggs.

[Mandragola]

1 hour ago, Valkyrion said:

 

My mistake. 

If you don't mind me asking though, why? Why do you want something brand new, never before seen in all of the lore? It's now basically a futuristic historical wargame - the lore has finished, the story has ended, and there's nothing new under the sun. If there is, that's what the Legion unique units are for. 

 

Also, you definitely exist, Noman. 

I've read those novels and they very rarely go into detail on the equipment marines are using. Sometimes their weapons but very rarely their armour. I get where you're coming from but there's nobody saying these are the only things being used. There are quite a lot of units that never appear in the books, so far as I recall. Tanks don't get talked about much, for example, so I'm sure there are models that don't get mentioned. It doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

New units and models are fun for us and they make GW money. They're an essential part of GW's business model. I think we probably will get plastic rapiers and many of the other things you mention, eventually. I definitely share your frustration at the lack of some key troop choices. One day!

[Corswain]

15 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

And the squad leader´s name shall be... Humpty Dumpty. Just be careful with those terrain checks or you will receive scrambled eggs.

What is the Latin for Egg Man? There's your Praetor name.

[Nephaston]

4 minutes ago, Corswain said:

What is the Latin for Egg Man? There's your Praetor name.

The mighty Homo Ovum.

 

Speaking of Eggman, I may have found the design prototype for Egginators.

[The Yak]

Wasn't John Lennon the egg man?  

 

 

[Xirix]

5 hours ago, TheArtilleryman said:

Isn’t that just a regular box dread?

The MKIV was a little different in design (different feet, combibolter/storm bolter at the bottom of the torso etc), and also had Siege Dreadnought loadouts available. Which considering the 40K Ironclad is gone, would be another nice reason to have it in plastic.

[Gorgoff]

5 hours ago, Valkyrion said:

I don't want to speak for the community, but I'm going to, and everyone would have been happy with plastic breachers, rapiers, javelins, destroyers, seekers, recons, xiphons, storm eagles, fire raptors, dreadnought pods, termites, outriders, box dreads, sabres, land speeders in any combination.

All good units to become plastic. It's easier to build especially the big kits but each time they made an already existing kit into plastic it felt boring and uninspired. 

I mean I get why they made this and it is a nice thing to have the tanks in plastics and all that but... it never excited me. 

So there is an incentive to make brand new units. 

[TheArtilleryman]

5 hours ago, The Yak said:

Wasn't John Lennon the egg man?  

 

 

No, he was the walrus

Edited March 22 by TheArtilleryman
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[Vogon]

12 hours ago, Unknown Legionnaire said:

IF with a capital 'I' and capital 'F' any of this is true and actually happens ...

 

... it will be more about people coming to terms / accepting yet another ruleset, either comptletly new or rather revised, for a game that in their heads and hearts has a lifespan and edition cycle far beyond the silly GW three year bracket.

Let's face it, most of us have been in it since ... 2012 / 2013 and a lot of passion projects and army projects simply take years to realize for an adult who is working full time, taking care of friends and family and life in general. So for some of us, it's really annoying or frustrating to get a project to the point where it might be considered finished or 'playable' just to then have it invalidated by a new edition coming out. It sure happened to me when 2.0 came out.

Besides that, HH 2.0 is a fine game, it has some weaknesses, but it turned out way better than I thought it would. But that's not the point here.

It's more about the above-mentioned long-term projects that get (partially) screwed up. 

And I believe a lot of people can relate to that.

I am firmly in this category. I spent several years and a lot of money on my Alpha Legion project which has spent the entirety of 2.0 in a box. Partially due to lack of opportunity to play and partially due to changes in the rules.

While new plastic models are always welcome I just haven't had the same level of enthusiasm since 2.0 dropped. 

If a 3.0 does happen I may get the books and see how it shakes out.

 

On the new models front, if any model needs a resin/plastic conversion for the new edition it's the Fire Raptor. The hybrid is a nightmare to build. 

I also wonder if this edition may finally realise a plastic warhound (blatant wishlisting)

 

Cheers 

 

Vogon 

 

Edit: I was also convinced when 2.0 dropped that we would see a 28mm scale Warmaster titan from zzForge World as one featured on the box art.

Edited March 22 by Vogon