Heresy 3.0 in Spring/Summer

[Valkyrion]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

 

 

Honestly I mean no offense by this, but my personal understanding is that the HH base is a combination of "whales" and 3d printers historically, with more of the latter.

 

Will they risk upsetting the balance to draw in a larger number of younger players in a repeated cycle? Quite probably. As noted, it's worked for the other games, why wouldn't they stick to what they know?

 

I think this new edition will be quite telling for the future of the game and it's cursed if it does and if it doesn't. Low sales = abandoned and high sales = push towards 40kification imo.

 

I actually think you are wrong here, because 30k players are neither Whales nor printers in my experience. YMMV, of course.

30k entered the hobby mainstream in 2015 with the Calth boxed set and MKIV and Cataphractii models becoming available in plastic. A year later Prospero came out with MKIII and Tartaros.  I honestly can't remember the cost, but even with the :cuss:ty contemptor dreadnought and mono-pose characters both Calth and Prospero massively inspired and enabled the 30k community. 

Prior to that, if someone wanted to do a 30k army it was a proper hobby challenge which basically involved fishing for era appropriate bits from commonly released boxed sets. Legs, helms, arms and such. Not whaling and certainly not printing. 

 

Fast forward to now and I'm not sure whales even carries weight. A cursory glance at the GW webstore shows most of the Heresy range as being non exclusive and readily available.

3d Printing, meh. Maybe the odd legion unit, but the Horus Heresy isn't the sole domain of the avid collector and die hard enthusiast anymore. 

 

Edited March 22 by Valkyrion

[Matcap86]

20 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

 

 

Honestly I mean no offense by this, but my personal understanding is that the HH base is a combination of "whales" and 3d printers historically, with more of the latter.

 

Will they risk upsetting the balance to draw in a larger number of younger players in a repeated cycle? Quite probably. As noted, it's worked for the other games, why wouldn't they stick to what they know?

 

I think this new edition will be quite telling for the future of the game and it's cursed if it does and if it doesn't. Low sales = abandoned and high sales = push towards 40kification imo.

 

I think the flaw in your argument is that the specialist games studio and the mainline studio are two very different teams with very different goals. 40k is the BIG name, even more so nowadays with it breaking out in the mainstream, so it makes sense for them to grab as many players as possible now the spotlight is on them. 

 

Meanwhile SGS's job is to keep the long term fans and the more invested fans happy (and buying). So they bring out more granular, nostalgia driven, expansive games, like Horus Heresy, Old world, Bloodbowl, Necromunda etc. Not everything in the company needs to follow the 40k model; and probably SGS is better off if it doesn't. (Evidenced by the fact most of their projects are such runaway successes they have trouble keeping kits in stock).

Edited Sunday at 05:49 PM by Matcap86

[Marshal Rohr]

3 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

 

 

Honestly I mean no offense by this, but my personal understanding is that the HH base is a combination of "whales" and 3d printers historically, with more of the latter.

 

Will they risk upsetting the balance to draw in a larger number of younger players in a repeated cycle? Quite probably. As noted, it's worked for the other games, why wouldn't they stick to what they know?

 

I think this new edition will be quite telling for the future of the game and it's cursed if it does and if it doesn't. Low sales = abandoned and high sales = push towards 40kification imo.

You keep saying they like Heresy is part of the main design studio. It is not. It is its own team disconnected from 40K and AoS. 

[Mogger351]

7 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

You keep saying they like Heresy is part of the main design studio. It is not. It is its own team disconnected from 40K and AoS. 

Honestly they've hired and reshuffled so many times I aren't sure there is a difference, but if it does really well, they'd quite likely bring it in under that core umbrella. The fact it has joined the 3 year release cycle is a big indicator of that imo.

[Joe]

Again, for it to be joining the standard three year release cycle it'd have to happen twice to be considered a recurring thing. Currently we're on a ten year and (allegedly) a three year edition.

 

Call us in 2028.

[Matcap86]

I'm surprised they haven't started the Adepticon teasers yet. Might be an indication of something big being shown... Or that it's real lacklustre.

 

Or that they're finally catching on that people don't really care for overhyping in advance and just let the show do to talking. 

[Mogger351]

20 minutes ago, Joe said:

Again, for it to be joining the standard three year release cycle it'd have to happen twice to be considered a recurring thing. Currently we're on a ten year and (allegedly) a three year edition.

 

Call us in 2028.

 

Time will tell, it just feels like there's a lot of people wanting to thread the needle of thinking it's a hugely successful and popular game but not squaring away that means it's not a niche nice to have that GW don't care about the numbers for.

 

But sure, let's clock back in during 2028.

[Cleon]

If we look to the past for the future and assume they are interested in a balanced game, my theory would be if they are looking at removing rites of war, it'd be to replace the legion bespoke wildly differently balanced very specific RoW with a set of alternate org charts available to every legion, similar to the 40k edition where you could have an org chart biased to any unit type.

[LameBeard]

It is not beyond GW to take away Rites of War at inception and then sell them back to us through supplements. 
 

They could theme the supplements around battles and legions that favoured a particular style, but give everyone a reason to buy the book - it might even be a little like Titanicus did and a little like the original Black Books.

 

Or it could be more like the Necromunda model, a very gradual evolution and tidy up, minimal invalidation. If I were them I’d want to hide the embarrassment of that Day 1 Reaction FAQ, that can’t be good for getting in new players, a reason on its own for a new version of the rulebook.

[Mr Farson]

I assume rites of war will change into alternative army comps much like the arcane journal lists.

 

You can take additional X z y but at the cost of a b c or something similar.

 

It allows rites to have a bit more detail and restriction rather than a 4 bullet point this what do 

[soviet1337]

If they're removing rites of war, that suggests they will also replace the Liber books doesn't it? I hope this is just an errata edition that fixes dreadnoughts etc while keeping the Libers in place. 

[ZeroWolf]

2 hours ago, Matcap86 said:

I'm surprised they haven't started the Adepticon teasers yet. Might be an indication of something big being shown... Or that it's real lacklustre.

 

Or that they're finally catching on that people don't really care for overhyping in advance and just let the show do to talking. 

They'll put something up on Monday no doubt 

[Borbarad]

Just looking forward to some Custodes plastics for my 40k army 

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

Will the Legion specific MK6 shoulder pads be compatible with the armour marks presented in the new HH core box? 

[Cleon]

10 minutes ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

Will the Legion specific MK6 shoulder pads be compatible with the armour marks presented in the new HH core box? 

I'd expect that they'd physically fit - but unless there is a major redesign the lack of a trim calls them out as being MK6, MK2-4 all had trim in pretty much all incarnations.

[Tastyfish]

Interestingly, no Heresy/Age of Darkness mentioned in the Adepticon video. So perhaps just a tease rather than the mini-reveal that people were expecting this time.

[Corswain]

Maybe. But last time they said there would be no Heresy, then showed a clearly Heresy sihouette, clarified that it would not be previewed and then previewed it anyway.....

We will or we won't. I'm betting on a pointless teaser of a teaser video.

 

[Joe]

Two things.

1. They do occasionally make mistakes in the Sunday Preview videos. We'll know for certain tomorrow when the AdeptiCon article goes up, but even that's not a guarantee.
2. AdeptiCon now has a precedence of having a reveal trailer of some description for one of the systems, case in point;

• Warhammer: The Horus Heresy Cinematic Trailer — 2022
• Warhammer 40,000: The New Edition Cinematic Trailer
• Warhammer Age of Sigmar Cinematic Trailer 2024 | #NewAoS

It's unlikely to be a reveal trailer for The Old World unless they had one planned for last year that was delayed, and we're still nowhere near seeing another one for 40,000 or Age of Sigmar. Food for thought at the end of the day.

[Nephaston]

If it goes anything like 2022 adepticon it'll be a trailer, a trailer analysis article, one infantry model and an HQ. Iirc the trailer also came at the end of the show and would've been a complete surprise if the box didn't leak a good while before.

[Matcap86]

8 hours ago, Nephaston said:

If it goes anything like 2022 adepticon it'll be a trailer, a trailer analysis article, one infantry model and an HQ. Iirc the trailer also came at the end of the show and would've been a complete surprise if the box didn't leak a good while before.

 

I'll take it if it's a proper look at new mk2. If no Heresy at all; we riot.

[Nagashsnee]

I just want to know if the game will be playable by all armies at launch. Not buying a rulebook this time unless they CONFIRM i will be able to play the game. 

 

Its weird that this a question that needs to be asked, but it is. And once the new ed is formally announced i will spam their email untill they answer it.  

[crimsondave]

15 hours ago, Cleon said:

I'd expect that they'd physically fit - but unless there is a major redesign the lack of a trim calls them out as being MK6, MK2-4 all had trim in pretty much all incarnations.

There will be tons of 3rd party options.  I picked a ton of mk3 pads (and old mk3 style heads) off Etsy right after the mk3 box dropped.

[Waaagh?]

2 hours ago, Nagashsnee said:

I just want to know if the game will be playable by all armies at launch. Not buying a rulebook this time unless they CONFIRM i will be able to play the game. 

 

Its weird that this a question that needs to be asked, but it is. And once the new ed is formally announced i will spam their email untill they answer it.  

 

Hopefully it doesn't invalidate currently released rules and is just a tweak/refresh

[ZeroWolf]

1 hour ago, Waaagh? said:

 

Hopefully it doesn't invalidate currently released rules and is just a tweak/refresh

Currently, it looks like this is going to be the case

[Gaz Taylor]

24 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

Currently, it looks like this is going to be the case

Agreed. I think any new edition or update is about getting you to buy new stuff. So even if the core rules don't change, army selection could.

 

From my point of view, I've been doing GW stuff for 30 odd years, so I'm used to this. Plus I'm excited about the idea of a new edition and new models, so I can't wait! I want to see it now!!!