Heresy 3.0 in Spring/Summer

[Marshal Rohr]

On 3/23/2025 at 4:28 AM, Mogger351 said:

Honestly they've hired and reshuffled so many times I aren't sure there is a difference, but if it does really well, they'd quite likely bring it in under that core umbrella. The fact it has joined the 3 year release cycle is a big indicator of that imo.

Fear not, after reading through actual SGDS commentary in discords I can confirm they have not been folded into the GWDS. 

[Unknown Legionnaire]

4 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

Currently, it looks like this is going to be the case

 

Really ? 

 

Have there been any actual visual cues and / or clues to this ?  

 

Or is it just someone's youtube fantasy again, or people making stuff up / wishlisting ?

 

[Cyrox]

4 minutes ago, Unknown Legionnaire said:

 

Really ? 

 

Have there been any actual visual cues and / or clues to this ?  

 

Or is it just someone's youtube fantasy again, or people making stuff up / wishlisting ?

 

 

There is nothing really in terms of rules - most of it is just pure speculation, aside from THIS post

 

The new box, whatever it may be, has been described from sources that have been accurate in the past, via Valrak, but nothing to confirm a new edition.

[Redcomet]

4 hours ago, Gaz Taylor said:

Agreed. I think any new edition or update is about getting you to buy new stuff. So even if the core rules don't change, army selection could.

 

From my point of view, I've been doing GW stuff for 30 odd years, so I'm used to this. Plus I'm excited about the idea of a new edition and new models, so I can't wait! I want to see it now!!! 

Plus Gw know the HH crowd spend a lot of money on space marines

[ZeroWolf]

18 minutes ago, Unknown Legionnaire said:

 

Really ? 

 

Have there been any actual visual cues and / or clues to this ?  

 

Or is it just someone's youtube fantasy again, or people making stuff up / wishlisting ?

 

There's also no rumours at all saying its a complete rules redo, plus we can just look at the other specialist games here. They're still in charge of Hersey

[Jings]

Real talk - Do we need a new edition? I think the games in a good spot as it is. Some points adjustments for some of the more problematic units (Dreadnoughts, HSS with certain weapons) and some minor tweaks to certain rules (removal of Artificer tanking, Apothecary/Techmarines, stinginess with Line in certain Rows) could fix most issues as is. 

 

The game needs only needs a Balance sweep. Panoptica handles most of these issues already. 

[Joe]

To be honest, the issues go a bit deeper than that; there's a lot of issues with improper and / or conflicting wording across the core rulebook that go further than requiring a simple FAQ / Errata to fix or balance - and really, there should never be a situation where homebrew becomes near-necessity to fix issues in a system.

 

Rites of War and Reactions need a significant look-in, as an example; as does Line (although really, at this stage 40,000 has it right with Objective Control). Then there's entire army books (see; Mechanicum) that need a top-to-bottom do-over.

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, Jings said:

Real talk - Do we need a new edition? I think the games in a good spot as it is. Some points adjustments for some of the more problematic units (Dreadnoughts, HSS with certain weapons) and some minor tweaks to certain rules (removal of Artificer tanking, Apothecary/Techmarines, stinginess with Line in certain Rows) could fix most issues as is. 

 

The game needs only needs a Balance sweep. Panoptica handles most of these issues already. 

 

If you want to go back through the thread, there's plenty of back and forth on this exact conversation.  Not sure we need to rehash it all again.

[Mandragola]

2 hours ago, Unknown Legionnaire said:

 

Really ? 

 

Have there been any actual visual cues and / or clues to this ?  

 

Or is it just someone's youtube fantasy again, or people making stuff up / wishlisting ?

 

This video came out last August. It was the first major thing I saw, claiming authoritative sources. 
 

 

I think this is the source of rumours of a whole new edition. To summarise:

 

They’d heard about a core rulebook going to print already at that point, so they thought it might be a December release. That of course turned out not to be the case, though it was just their theory based on the rumour - the rumour didn’t have anything about a release date. 
 

Supposedly the box contains Mk2s, Saturnine termies in squads of 3, plus a dread. 
 

Army selection is getting a shake up, with looser FOC and very different (or no) rites of war. Some suggestion of characters unlocking things here. 
 

I can’t say if any of this is accurate but Pardo is a good guy. So I guess we’ll see. 

[alfred_the_great]

And imagine the internet will cry foul when the release “doesn’t match expectations (ie made up rumour)” and there will wailing and gnashing as to how HH has been betrayed etc etc. 

[Mogger351]

21 minutes ago, alfred_the_great said:

And imagine the internet will cry foul when the release “doesn’t match expectations (ie made up rumour)” and there will wailing and gnashing as to how HH has been betrayed etc etc. 

Rumours are a bit of fun and speculation, I don't see a problem either way. People get tetchy in both directions, there's enough people on here/elsewhere who don't want the rumours to pan out anyway.

[Unknown Legionnaire]

1 hour ago, Mandragola said:

They’d heard about a core rulebook going to print already at that point, so they thought it might be a December release. That of course turned out not to be the case, though it was just their theory based on the rumour - the rumour didn’t have anything about a release date. 
 

Supposedly the box contains Mk2s, Saturnine termies in squads of 3, plus a dread. 
 

Army selection is getting a shake up, with looser FOC and very different (or no) rites of war. Some suggestion of characters unlocking things here. 
 

I can’t say if any of this is accurate but Pardo is a good guy. So I guess we’ll see. 

 

 

He is a good guy, no doubt (even if I wish DC would be back ), and I would trust him more than other YT channels.

 

Still, without pictures, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

If this potentially upcoming edition of 2.5 or 3.0 or whatever it will be named, will be better than 2.0, then great, I'll be a happy camper.

 

But if this edition change just leads to people dropping out again, like the change from 1.0 to 2.0 did, then it'll be crap, just saying.

 

But we'll see it when we get there 

 

 

[TheTrans]

Honestly if they can remedy what they did the flyers and make non-superhuman armies actually viable (outside of spam the 2-3 non-crap units you have available), and pull back on the effectiveness and freebie vibes of reactions, I'll give it another crack! 

[Jings]

8 hours ago, Joe said:

To be honest, the issues go a bit deeper than that; there's a lot of issues with improper and / or conflicting wording across the core rulebook that go further than requiring a simple FAQ / Errata to fix or balance - and really, there should never be a situation where homebrew becomes near-necessity to fix issues in a system.

 

Rites of War and Reactions need a significant look-in, as an example; as does Line (although really, at this stage 40,000 has it right with Objective Control). Then there's entire army books (see; Mechanicum) that need a top-to-bottom do-over.

 

Fair enough to a point. I haven't really seen much in the way of plain in the face issues mind you, though my games have been pretty limited with my "no unpainted models" rule. 

 

I referred to Panoptica more as an approach to do it. I think GW could get two birds stoned at once with a HH 2.1 sort of deal. I think the general consensus is "we don't want a new edition", so an extensive errata alongside to make a new rulebook somewhat optional would be the best move. Have it as a "nice to have" with some new or different lore perspectives to make it worthwhile. 

 

Can't speak for everyone but the constant edition churn, among other issues, has completely put me off of modern 40K. I've already started selling off massive chunks of my collection over the last few years. If Heresy starts getting the same treatment, I could see myself packing in the hobby entirely. Don't particularly want to mind you, but it's getting to a point where enough is enough. 

[Gaz Taylor]

11 hours ago, Jings said:

Can't speak for everyone but the constant edition churn, among other issues, has completely put me off of modern 40K. I've already started selling off massive chunks of my collection over the last few years. If Heresy starts getting the same treatment, I could see myself packing in the hobby entirely. Don't particularly want to mind you, but it's getting to a point where enough is enough. 

Personally I understand why GW creates new editions as it generates sales and it's always exciting when a new editions appears (well I think it is!). I understand why some people aren't a fan and also probably suffering from edition fatigue. I'd suggest a break or trying to play in a slightly different way.

[ZeroWolf]

1 hour ago, Gaz Taylor said:

Personally I understand why GW creates new editions as it generates sales and it's always exciting when a new editions appears (well I think it is!). I understand why some people aren't a fan and also probably suffering from edition fatigue. I'd suggest a break or trying to play in a slightly different way.

Also it's something to please the shareholders, they know there's a revenue spike with a new edition (even if it's edition in name only like how 11th edition is rumoured to just be a continuation of 10th with rules being tidied up, same with HH 3.0 really). At this point, being called an edition is meaningless without knowing if they're starting again, or carrying on as they were with tweaks. Remember in the business world (and most other things I guess) success breeds repetition. GW have found that they've made bank by adopting this, so they'll continue until it no longer works. That's when they'll try something new.

[Cleon]

What I wonder is if the revenue spike could be re-created by creating an equally desirable 'campaign box' to the launch box without actually changing the edition - how much of the revenue is people jumping on the box and how much is players re-fitting collections/buying new rules? The 'versus' boxes they did were clearly money spinners for a while, but they were never the pounds per point and all new models of a launch box.

[Hungry Nostraman Lizard]

I hope that regardless if its 2.5 or 3.0, that this edition will see units like plastic breachers/despoilers, recon marines, javelins, and scout (outrider and otherwise) bikes come to plastic.
I never got javelins in resin from legitimate sources because it was too expensive for the unit and I'd rather use the money on more predators, and never from illegitimate ones because the plastication of them seems inevitable. Plastic is a lot lighter than resin on those tiny thin clear stands, regardless of the source of resin.

Bonus wishlist: Plastic Storm Eagle/fire Raptor, an assault marine squad in a new mark, perhaps 2 or 4.

[Mogger351]

14 minutes ago, Cleon said:

What I wonder is if the revenue spike could be re-created by creating an equally desirable 'campaign box' to the launch box without actually changing the edition - how much of the revenue is people jumping on the box and how much is players re-fitting collections/buying new rules? The 'versus' boxes they did were clearly money spinners for a while, but they were never the pounds per point and all new models of a launch box.

It's trying to convince someone that a barely faq'd game half way through it's lifespan (assuming 6 years) is worth trying to play catch up on

 

Edit: just playing devil's advocate as it may out some off

Edited March 25 by Mogger351

[alfred_the_great]

Warcom team have confirmed no HH announcement on Fb. 
 

Internet has got grumpy… 

 

[Gorgoff]

1 hour ago, alfred_the_great said:

Warcom team have confirmed no HH announcement on Fb. 
 

Internet has got grumpy… 

 

We get a teaser video though so probably we see a silhouette from something like a new tank or smth like that.

[Nephaston]

9 hours ago, alfred_the_great said:

Warcom team have confirmed no HH announcement on Fb. 
 

Internet has got grumpy… 

 

And ruin the surprise? Unlike last time nothing has leaked yet so they can reveal it "out of nowhere".

 

Or they're gonna be cheeky and reveal it for Heresy Thursday a handful of hours later.

[Xirix]

I wouldn't be surprised if any big reveals will be Heresy Thursday yeah, I'm sure they've done that before with a reveal show with a Thursday straight after. (Or in our case, technically the preview show is on Thursday :P)

Edited Wednesday at 09:15 AM by Xirix

[Corswain]

11 hours ago, alfred_the_great said:

Warcom team have confirmed no HH announcement on Fb. 
 

Internet has got grumpy… 

 

Well last time they said that the previewed the Thanatar Calix......

 

I don't think anyone really knows what they're gonna show until we see it. Not holding my breath though.

[Gaz Taylor]

11 hours ago, alfred_the_great said:

Warcom team have confirmed no HH announcement on Fb. 
 

Internet has got grumpy… 

 

Did they answer it with "I can't say"? 

 

The rumours suggest something big is happening, so even if they don't show anything off, we could see a dedicated reveal show. 

 

15 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

It's trying to convince someone that a barely faq'd game half way through it's lifespan (assuming 6 years) is worth trying to play catch up on

 

Edit: just playing devil's advocate as it may out some off

I always see it as if there are people playing it and will probably play it for a while, it's worth a go. My main bug bear with wargaming in general is I don't have the time to play lots of different systems. I want to focus on one or maybe two and if I know people will play it and we can work through any issues, it will be fine. While it is nice to have FAQs, unless it's something really game breaking, as a group you can muddle through it. You shouldn't have to, but it's not the end of the world.

 

9 hours ago, Gorgoff said:

We get a teaser video though so probably we see a silhouette from something like a new tank or smth like that.

This is what I'm expecting now