Heresy 3.0 in Spring/Summer

[Xirix]

We need a terrible blurry phone picture like what we got like a year before HH2 launched of the boxset.

[Redcomet]

I watched the Warmachine keynote from gencon today. What a difference. Customer forward presentation full of dates, concept art and upcoming partnerships and products made with customers in mind, not shareholders. 

[01RTB01]

24 minutes ago, Redcomet said:

I watched the Warmachine keynote from gencon today. What a difference. Customer forward presentation full of dates, concept art and upcoming partnerships and products made with customers in mind, not shareholders. 

I really don't understand why gw still keep so tight lipped.

 

The live Q+A session was largely pointless as most comments were "we can't say anything" or "keep an eye on warcom."

 

Even rough months would be something.

 

Just because I don't know what's coming, doesn't mean I'll spend my disposable income on other stuff. I'll simply hold until stuff I actually want drops ala the EC release. Can't just be me?

[Unknown Legionnaire]

9 hours ago, Spagunk said:

What kind of facts are you looking for?

 

Picture(s).

 

People claim to have seen 'the backside of the box' for example. So, where is it ?

 

We literally don't know jack about 'what's coming' except for people's wild speculations.

 

 

[Mogger351]

8 minutes ago, Unknown Legionnaire said:

 

Picture(s).

 

People claim to have seen 'the backside of the box' for example. So, where is it ?

 

We literally don't know jack about 'what's coming' except for people's wild speculations.

 

 

You have a reliable rumour source in valrak and a fair few other cources corroborating that something is coming this summer.

 

There are no hard facts until GW themselves reveal it. So you either engage with the rumours and have some idea of what could be coming, or you totally distance them and exist not thinking anything at all is coming as there's nothing official.

 

Being frustrated at either isn't going to help.

[alfred_the_great]

2 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

I really don't understand why gw still keep so tight lipped.

 

The live Q+A session was largely pointless as most comments were "we can't say anything" or "keep an eye on warcom."

 

Even rough months would be something.

 

Just because I don't know what's coming, doesn't mean I'll spend my disposable income on other stuff. I'll simply hold until stuff I actually want drops ala the EC release. Can't just be me?

Because the hyper-online fan base generally acts in bad faith and reactionary behaviour?

[ZeroWolf]

2 hours ago, Redcomet said:

I watched the Warmachine keynote from gencon today. What a difference. Customer forward presentation full of dates, concept art and upcoming partnerships and products made with customers in mind, not shareholders. 

I probably say the difference is the size of the company.

 

In fact GW is almost a stand in for the Imperium itself, a vast interlocking series of departments where information is on a need to know basis, striving for constant survival (in this case, making money for the god Emperor...i mean shareholders) against a galaxy of threats, some from within (think companies formed by ex GW staff like Warlord etc) many from without (Warmachine, battletech, SW legions, OPR etc). Everything they do seems archaic and opaque with little to no innovation yet they continue as they have done throughout time. They are ruled over by the high Lords of terra (shareholders and other members of the board at the tipty top of GW).

 

If you want to continue the analogy further, the great rift represents the time in the 2010s when their competitors actually gained on them like the rise of Warmachine. Also, their sudden resurgence = Indomitus Crusade.

[Mandragola]

2 hours ago, Unknown Legionnaire said:

 

Picture(s).

 

People claim to have seen 'the backside of the box' for example. So, where is it ?

 

We literally don't know jack about 'what's coming' except for people's wild speculations.

 

 

What I’ve seen is enough to make me certain that it’s coming, though I don’t know when. I was surprised we didn’t get an announcement at adepticon.

 

Fair enough if it’s not enough for you. It seems that maybe GW has improved its security a bit for this kind of thing. Getting box pics seems to be something that only occasionally happens. I’m sure there are people who know more, but they can’t say. 

[crimsondave]

2 hours ago, Unknown Legionnaire said:

 

Picture(s).

 

People claim to have seen 'the backside of the box' for example. So, where is it ?

 

We literally don't know jack about 'what's coming' except for people's wild speculations.

 

 

I believe the guy who’s been right 90% of the time on his rumors over the last several years.  If you don’t want to believe it, don’t, but calling it “wild speculation” is just silly.  Could he be wrong?  Yeah.  He’s been wrong before.  But I doubt he is in this.

Edited Friday at 10:12 AM by crimsondave

[Joe]

To be honest, it's entirely possible that we get a Heresy-specific event at this stage - possibly a re-run of the Open Day from 2022. Although there were certainly lessons to be learned from that event that they need to implement taking forward.

 

Shouldn't be too difficult, given the old Events team got the boot after WHFest 2023.

[lansalt]

I'd say that the Iron Warriors/Salamanders decals in the command squad kit is the only real clue about a new box/edition in the future. GW usually doesn't add (or remove) faction decals from the generic kits unless there's a linked release.

 

Given the smaller customer base, I doubt we're going to see a full new edition. Probably something like a 2.5 ed. with an updated rulebook like the Specialist Game Studio has done in the past for other games like Necromunda.

[skylerboodie]

7 minutes ago, Joe said:

Shouldn't be too difficult, given the old Events team got the boot after WHFest 2023.

 Hadn't heard this, but not undeserved - was a disaster.

[Joe]

4 minutes ago, skylerboodie said:

 Hadn't heard this, but not undeserved - was a disaster.

 

Was related to me in passing by a mutual that took part in one of the third-party stalls at the event. The TL;DR; is there was brewing anger with the team anyway as they'd been preventing the rules writers, artists and model designers attending for Q&As and such for years, coupled with how badly they managed the weekend. Camels back breaking and all that.

[ZeroWolf]

1 hour ago, lansalt said:

I'd say that the Iron Warriors/Salamanders decals in the command squad kit is the only real clue about a new box/edition in the future. GW usually doesn't add (or remove) faction decals from the generic kits unless there's a linked release.

 

Given the smaller customer base, I doubt we're going to see a full new edition. Probably something like a 2.5 ed. with an updated rulebook like the Specialist Game Studio has done in the past for other games like Necromunda.

That's what the rumours are pointing to currently, a rules clean up rather than reboot.

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

5 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

I really don't understand why gw still keep so tight lipped.

 

The live Q+A session was largely pointless as most comments were "we can't say anything" or "keep an eye on warcom."

 

Even rough months would be something.

 

Just because I don't know what's coming, doesn't mean I'll spend my disposable income on other stuff. I'll simply hold until stuff I actually want drops ala the EC release. Can't just be me?

They want your impulse purchases. Thank the rotten marketing fools over at Gee-Dubbs for that decision.

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

1 hour ago, Joe said:

 

Was related to me in passing by a mutual that took part in one of the third-party stalls at the event. The TL;DR; is there was brewing anger with the team anyway as they'd been preventing the rules writers, artists and model designers attending for Q&As and such for years, coupled with how badly they managed the weekend. Camels back breaking and all that.

Creative people who breathe life into Warhammer are treated like dirt? Why am I not surprised?

[Captain Idaho]

2 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

I probably say the difference is the size of the company.

 

In fact GW is almost a stand in for the Imperium itself, a vast interlocking series of departments where information is on a need to know basis, striving for constant survival (in this case, making money for the god Emperor...i mean shareholders) against a galaxy of threats, some from within (think companies formed by ex GW staff like Warlord etc) many from without (Warmachine, battletech, SW legions, OPR etc). Everything they do seems archaic and opaque with little to no innovation yet they continue as they have done throughout time. They are ruled over by the high Lords of terra (shareholders and other members of the board at the tipty top of GW).

 

If you want to continue the analogy further, the great rift represents the time in the 2010s when their competitors actually gained on them like the rise of Warmachine. Also, their sudden resurgence = Indomitus Crusade.

 

The problems with the principle this analogy alludes to is there are far bigger companies with higher turn around than GW who DO tell us what they're working on. In most industries.

 

Car industries for example. Even Amazon tells us what they're working on.

 

GW has no reason to keep their cards close to their chests and I wonder how long until they get genuine push back from someone on they board who might know better from business experience.

 

Generate buzz and excitement through anticipation, otherwise it's just anxiety and nerves from the unknown. 

[alfred_the_great]

Also lol at holding up war machine as an exemplar of community engagement. The brand has twice invalidated all previous rules, the IP has been sold, it’s based on a hyper-competitive “play like you’ve got a pair” matched play style, and it’s broadly un-customisable. 
 

if GW tried all that the community would have a complete meltdown. 

[MoriyaSchism]

2 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

 

The problems with the principle this analogy alludes to is there are far bigger companies with higher turn around than GW who DO tell us what they're working on. In most industries.

 

Car industries for example. Even Amazon tells us what they're working on.

 

GW has no reason to keep their cards close to their chests and I wonder how long until they get genuine push back from someone on they board who might know better from business experience.

 

Generate buzz and excitement through anticipation, otherwise it's just anxiety and nerves from the unknown. 

It could also help with feedback if they showed off in progress 3D sculpts instead of going ahead and tooling up for manufacturing a terrible model. Perhaps with some community feedback we could have avoided some of the more awful stuff from last year like Inquisitor Coteaz.

[Mandragola]

1 hour ago, Captain Idaho said:

 

The problems with the principle this analogy alludes to is there are far bigger companies with higher turn around than GW who DO tell us what they're working on. In most industries.

 

Car industries for example. Even Amazon tells us what they're working on.

 

GW has no reason to keep their cards close to their chests and I wonder how long until they get genuine push back from someone on they board who might know better from business experience.

 

Generate buzz and excitement through anticipation, otherwise it's just anxiety and nerves from the unknown. 

I think it's a tricky one. Knowing that things are changing tends to stop me buying stuff, which is clearly an issue for GW. They don't care if the model or book I bought is now useless (more often the case for a book) as they still get paid but I care a lot.

 

My Raven Guard army is kind of done. I was considering whether to start something new but I'm holding back now, other than test minis of things I'm sure will still be legal because they're unmodified new plastics that I already own. Clearly that's not what GW would want.

[Captain Idaho]

True, I don't disagree at all, but knowing what the change is might help. Like, for their business model GW could explain army construction without spoiling all the rules to play the game, so folk can still get behind the excitement of the new game.

 

I mean, at the moment knowing there is a new edition or release or something from rumours has paused my hobby enthusiasm somewhat too. If I knew what I was building was valid broadly speaking in construction might not matter normally as I'm doing a theme, but everyone else around me has paused so it would help.

Edited Friday at 02:07 PM by Captain Idaho

[Mandragola]

7 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

True, I don't disagree at all, but knowing what the change is might help. Like, for their business model GW could explain army construction without spoiling all the rules to play the game, so folk can still get behind the excitement of the new game.

 

I mean, at the moment knowing there is a new edition or release or something from rumours has paused my hobby enthusiasm somewhat too. If I knew what I was building was valid broadly speaking in construction might not matter normally as I'm doing a theme, but everyone else around me has paused so it would help.

Yep, that's also true. They don't like to give detailed information like that until just before release, and generally not in full even then, because they want you to buy the book.

 

I assume that an army made up of some marines, tanks and dreadnoughts ought to be fine. It's things like drop assault or angels' wrath I'd be more worried about - both whether they're legal at all or whether they will be any good.

 

So this is arguably a time to paint tactical squads, unless of course you care about the rules the legions will have.

 

I'm currently going through my kill team backlog instead. I'm really enjoying kill team and kind of wish the unofficial heresy version was played more.

[Vassakov]

The problem with this "why can't GW just tell us" is because for all we know, there is no third edition HH coming, there might just be a new box a la the Astartes Support Group from a couple of years ago. We don't know, but if they say "there's no new edition of HH coming this year" then the obvious question is what is coming - and if they confirm there's nothing for a few months... well, look at what happened when they confirmed no 40k releases between BA and AM. The internet did not, to but it mildly, take it well.

 

Also, I can see why they'd be reticent to start a policy of confirming/denying rumours. That's a bad road to go down.

[SkimaskMohawk]

2 hours ago, alfred_the_great said:

The brand has twice invalidated all previous rules, it’s based on a hyper-competitive “play like you’ve got a pair” matched play style, and it’s broadly un-customisable. 
 

if GW tried all that the community would have a complete meltdown. 

 

I took one thing out and suddenly you've described modern 40k/AoS  and model production policy lol

[Unknown Legionnaire]

8 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

You have a reliable rumour source in valrak and a fair few other cources corroborating that something is coming this summer.

 

There are no hard facts until GW themselves reveal it. So you either engage with the rumours and have some idea of what could be coming, or you totally distance them and exist not thinking anything at all is coming as there's nothing official.

 

Being frustrated at either isn't going to help.

 

 

Totally agree about the facts part indeed. 

 

Also, I'm not frustrated, more like curious to see some of the stuff on one side, and making a litttle bit of fun of people who get all over-exaggerated about those (supposedly) upcoming releases, because, as you said, it doesn't get you anywhere.

 

Still, rumours are just rumours, right.

 

For me, the one little tidbit that's suggesting there's any truth to it, apart from people having seen the box but not being able to post pics due to security reasons, is the fact that they announced to drop the rules for Lotara and Daemon Angron in pdf form only.

They won't be releasing a book to go along with that, like they did when Fulgrim Transfigures came out.

That's my personal indication there won't be any more book releases for 2.0

But then, that could also be wrong of course.

 

 

 

EDIT: spelling, didn't have coffee yet, damn

 

 

Edited Friday at 04:34 PM by Unknown Legionnaire