Heresy 3.0 in Spring/Summer

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

They should stay with Imperial Fists. Why downgrade to the lesser Legions?

[Imriy]

3 minutes ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

They should stay with Imperial Fists. Why downgrade to the lesser Legions?

I blame advertising and marketing reasons. The idea is like "Hey, you already got all those imperial fists from last box, right, let's give you some different ones." 

 

Perhaps a far-flung hypothesis but I see no other reason. 

[RedFox]

You mean other than for fun, variety and to showcase other famous HH battles?

[darkhorse0607]

20 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

It's probably because they already used IF for 2nd.

 

They're also some of the legions with the least new stuff. All of the Salamander stuff is old and they don't have Praetors/characters or anything. IWs have faired better but still are missing some stuff, so maybe they'll both get the treatment SoH and IF did last go around? World Eaters and Raven Guard would also be prime canidates and would be a cool matchup thematically

 

The fact that they're already putting them on transfer sheets gives weight to the rumor at least

[Wispy]

32 minutes ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

They should stay with Imperial Fists. Why downgrade to the lesser Legions?

As important as the Fists are narratively to the 30k setting, they don't have that cache at the cashier. There's a reason the 40k default is blue - 42% of people's favourite colour vs 3% for yellow.

Edited Wednesday at 08:21 PM by Wispy

[Nephaston]

It's also nice to not slavishly follow the same match ups that have been memed to death. Sure IF vs IW is a classic, but it's not the only enmity these legions have.

[Unknown Legionnaire]

During HH 1.0 no one gave a dime about IF, the boxsets in their continuity were ...

 

- Battle for Calth: UM & WB  (1.st ed.)

- Burning of Prospero:  SW & TS  (1st. ed.)

 

Then for HH 2.0

 

- 'AoD' Boxset: IF & SoH  (2nd. ed.)

 

So let's be patient about what the 'rumoured' new boxset will hold. I'll believe it when I see the first pictures of it.

[Imriy]

1 hour ago, RedFox said:

You mean other than for fun, variety and to showcase other famous HH battles?

Yeah, that's fair. I get caught up too much in the lore :P

[Antarius]

8 hours ago, Nephaston said:

It's also nice to not slavishly follow the same match ups that have been memed to death. Sure IF vs IW is a classic, but it's not the only enmity these legions have.

Indeed. Also, part of the charm of the Age of Darkness is that there's a galactic civil war going on and everybody's involved, so it'd be a bit strange if the only battles were between legions with an established rivalry.

[Corswain]

I would also suggest that it doesn't matter in the least what Legions are on the box art - we're all just gonna paint them whatever colour we want anyway. 

I've purchased Betrayal at Calth, Burning of Prospero and Age of Darkness and not one of them was used as a Legion represented on the box.

[Mandragola]

Well my first edition (and actually slightly before) army was Imperial Fists, starting out with resin mk3s. I used the AoD stuff to make Raven Guard. Mk2 probably works well for Salamanders and possibly for Iron Warriors, though I think they'd tend to prefer Mk3.

 

Actually Mk2 doesn't have a lot of room to paint flames and stuff on Sallies. The Mk3 extra armour on the chest and shins is better for that.

 

My vague current plan is to do a traitor force in 3rd. Maybe Sons of Horus.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

IMPERIAL FISTS are just better though. This is like replacing a Ferrai with a Vaxhall Astra. Yellow is also just a superior colour. 

 

It should go even further though. Personally I think it should Imperial Fists 40,000 not Warhammer 40,000. Warhammer World building itself should be painted with IF Contrast. 

[Mandragola]

7 hours ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

Warhammer World building itself should be painted with IF Contrast. 

While that sounds like a good idea in principle, and certainly an improvement over the boring grey it is today, what if that meant there was no Imperial Fist contrast left for our models?

[Matcap86]

 

8 hours ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

IMPERIAL FISTS are just better though. This is like replacing a Ferrai with a Vaxhall Astra. Yellow is also just a superior colour. 

 

It should go even further though. Personally I think it should Imperial Fists 40,000 not Warhammer 40,000. Warhammer World building itself should be painted with IF Contrast. 

 

See what no Heresy Thursday 2 weeks in a row does to people?? GW give the people their dripfeed of Heresy goodies back!

[01RTB01]

I'm wondering if the lack of heresy Thursday ironically is confirmation that something chunky is coming? Warhammer fest online was end of April last year iirc. Wonder if we'll see any announcements next week?

 

Having checked, there was nothing last year but fest in 2023 so shrug I guess.

Edited Friday at 04:51 AM by 01RTB01
I can't month apparently

[Gaz Taylor]

3 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

I'm wondering if the lack of heresy Thursday ironically is confirmation that something chunky is coming? Warhammer fest online was end of April last year iirc. Wonder if we'll see any announcements next week?

 

Having checked, there was nothing last year but fest in 2023 so With shrug I guess.

With the next preview on 22nd May, I think this is what is happening. I don't think we will see anything Heresy related now until then (maybe a teaser). I've also checked and the 22nd is a Thursday, so maybe this is what will happen! 

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

So it could still be another month or so until we see anything solid for Heresy 3.0. 

 

I was hoping it would escape the dreaded 3 year cycle but alas. It is to be expected with GW. 

 

No fresh rumours or anything yet? I was hoping we might get a leak of a bunch of Imperial Fists stuff and maybe a renaming of the system to something like; 'Warhammer & The Awesome Imperial Fists Heroically Defending Mankind New Edition'.

[Mogger351]

The weeks gap feels suspiciously like "oops where did the 3.0 preview go"

[Nephaston]

There's also Camba Diaz still missing from the roster, makes me think they may have returned him to the drawing board after the criticisms of the Crohne and Nex being too ornate. Benefits of resin; comparatively easy do-overs.

[Schrödingers Primarch]

11 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

There's also Camba Diaz still missing from the roster, makes me think they may have returned him to the drawing board after the criticisms of the Crohne and Nex being too ornate. Benefits of resin; comparatively easy do-overs.

Sweet summer child, GW cares not about people's criticism of model looks. As long as the mold makes enough money back to pay for itself, plus some profit, they are happy. 

If HH 3.0 is truly being previewed at the end of May, there is still a month minimum for them to preview and release a few models like Camba Diaz & the Tarantula Missile Battery before a larger edition release in Summer. 

[Petitioner's City]

22 minutes ago, Schrödingers Primarch said:

Sweet summer child, GW cares not about people's criticism of model looks. As long as the mold makes enough money back to pay for itself, plus some profit, they are happy. 

If HH 3.0 is truly being previewed at the end of May, there is still a month minimum for them to preview and release a few models like Camba Diaz & the Tarantula Missile Battery before a larger edition release in Summer. 

 

You might remember the Headsman, who went from something that would not work in the English language world, to a more generic scary metal mask.

 

 

Or you might remember this giant of the viith legion, replaced by a smaller model?

 

 

 

[Joe]

Or the short-lived metal Possessed that were a persistent source of flak. Or the original Mark VI Space Wolves helmets. 

 

Or (a brief foray into people pointing out genuine mistakes) the missing grip on the Space Wolves Terminator Praetor's weapon when that was originally shown off.

[Robbienw]

All of those are things that got out in the wild for at least several months or things that were noticed on previews.

 

They won’t be redesigning Camba Diaz because some people didn’t like another model, let’s be realistic 

[Joe]

Does depend on how you define "some people" - it's entirely possible that Camba Diaz has gone through multiple design iterations within SGS and they've yet to hit one that satisfies them, whilst keeping in mind the feedback that was received r.e. Kaedes Nex and Aster Crohne.

 

It's also equally possible they haven't even begun to start work on him yet - it isn't entirely unusual for some characters and units within SGS to go without models for years on end. Necromunda, MESBG, even Heresy.

[Nephaston]

That's the beauty of low number resin models. You can just start over, or keep it in the concept stage without much issue.

Makes me wonder how quick it could feasibly go from concept to production.