Xirix Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 We need a terrible blurry phone picture like what we got like a year before HH2 launched of the boxset. Unknown Legionnaire, ThaneOfTas and Gorgoff 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcomet Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 I watched the Warmachine keynote from gencon today. What a difference. Customer forward presentation full of dates, concept art and upcoming partnerships and products made with customers in mind, not shareholders. Hungry Nostraman Lizard, Captain Idaho, Petitioner's City and 3 others 3 1 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 5:31 AM, Redcomet said: I watched the Warmachine keynote from gencon today. What a difference. Customer forward presentation full of dates, concept art and upcoming partnerships and products made with customers in mind, not shareholders. Expand I really don't understand why gw still keep so tight lipped. The live Q+A session was largely pointless as most comments were "we can't say anything" or "keep an eye on warcom." Even rough months would be something. Just because I don't know what's coming, doesn't mean I'll spend my disposable income on other stuff. I'll simply hold until stuff I actually want drops ala the EC release. Can't just be me? Aarik 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/27/2025 at 9:43 PM, Spagunk said: What kind of facts are you looking for? Expand Picture(s). People claim to have seen 'the backside of the box' for example. So, where is it ? We literally don't know jack about 'what's coming' except for people's wild speculations. lokkorex, SteveAntilles, Dalmyth and 4 others 5 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogger351 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 7:29 AM, Unknown Legionnaire said: Picture(s). People claim to have seen 'the backside of the box' for example. So, where is it ? We literally don't know jack about 'what's coming' except for people's wild speculations. Expand You have a reliable rumour source in valrak and a fair few other cources corroborating that something is coming this summer. There are no hard facts until GW themselves reveal it. So you either engage with the rumours and have some idea of what could be coming, or you totally distance them and exist not thinking anything at all is coming as there's nothing official. Being frustrated at either isn't going to help. LightningClawLeonard, caladancid, CrusaderXIII and 12 others 2 13 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfred_the_great Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 5:59 AM, 01RTB01 said: I really don't understand why gw still keep so tight lipped. The live Q+A session was largely pointless as most comments were "we can't say anything" or "keep an eye on warcom." Even rough months would be something. Just because I don't know what's coming, doesn't mean I'll spend my disposable income on other stuff. I'll simply hold until stuff I actually want drops ala the EC release. Can't just be me? Expand Because the hyper-online fan base generally acts in bad faith and reactionary behaviour? MasterBlaster, Lord Abaia, Joe and 3 others 1 1 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroWolf Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 5:31 AM, Redcomet said: I watched the Warmachine keynote from gencon today. What a difference. Customer forward presentation full of dates, concept art and upcoming partnerships and products made with customers in mind, not shareholders. Expand I probably say the difference is the size of the company. In fact GW is almost a stand in for the Imperium itself, a vast interlocking series of departments where information is on a need to know basis, striving for constant survival (in this case, making money for the god Emperor...i mean shareholders) against a galaxy of threats, some from within (think companies formed by ex GW staff like Warlord etc) many from without (Warmachine, battletech, SW legions, OPR etc). Everything they do seems archaic and opaque with little to no innovation yet they continue as they have done throughout time. They are ruled over by the high Lords of terra (shareholders and other members of the board at the tipty top of GW). If you want to continue the analogy further, the great rift represents the time in the 2010s when their competitors actually gained on them like the rise of Warmachine. Also, their sudden resurgence = Indomitus Crusade. Dalmyth, skylerboodie and SalamandersBro 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 7:29 AM, Unknown Legionnaire said: Picture(s). People claim to have seen 'the backside of the box' for example. So, where is it ? We literally don't know jack about 'what's coming' except for people's wild speculations. Expand What I’ve seen is enough to make me certain that it’s coming, though I don’t know when. I was surprised we didn’t get an announcement at adepticon. Fair enough if it’s not enough for you. It seems that maybe GW has improved its security a bit for this kind of thing. Getting box pics seems to be something that only occasionally happens. I’m sure there are people who know more, but they can’t say. 01RTB01, Dalmyth, ZeroWolf and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsondave Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) On 3/28/2025 at 7:29 AM, Unknown Legionnaire said: Picture(s). People claim to have seen 'the backside of the box' for example. So, where is it ? We literally don't know jack about 'what's coming' except for people's wild speculations. Expand I believe the guy who’s been right 90% of the time on his rumors over the last several years. If you don’t want to believe it, don’t, but calling it “wild speculation” is just silly. Could he be wrong? Yeah. He’s been wrong before. But I doubt he is in this. Edited March 28 by crimsondave Deus_Ex_Machina, skylerboodie, CrusaderXIII and 7 others 2 8 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 To be honest, it's entirely possible that we get a Heresy-specific event at this stage - possibly a re-run of the Open Day from 2022. Although there were certainly lessons to be learned from that event that they need to implement taking forward. Shouldn't be too difficult, given the old Events team got the boot after WHFest 2023. ZeroWolf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 I'd say that the Iron Warriors/Salamanders decals in the command squad kit is the only real clue about a new box/edition in the future. GW usually doesn't add (or remove) faction decals from the generic kits unless there's a linked release. Given the smaller customer base, I doubt we're going to see a full new edition. Probably something like a 2.5 ed. with an updated rulebook like the Specialist Game Studio has done in the past for other games like Necromunda. Gaz Taylor 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylerboodie Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 10:12 AM, Joe said: Shouldn't be too difficult, given the old Events team got the boot after WHFest 2023. Expand Hadn't heard this, but not undeserved - was a disaster. CrusaderXIII, Mandragola and Dalmyth 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 10:19 AM, skylerboodie said: Hadn't heard this, but not undeserved - was a disaster. Expand Was related to me in passing by a mutual that took part in one of the third-party stalls at the event. The TL;DR; is there was brewing anger with the team anyway as they'd been preventing the rules writers, artists and model designers attending for Q&As and such for years, coupled with how badly they managed the weekend. Camels back breaking and all that. Matcap86, skylerboodie, CrusaderXIII and 1 other 2 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroWolf Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 10:12 AM, lansalt said: I'd say that the Iron Warriors/Salamanders decals in the command squad kit is the only real clue about a new box/edition in the future. GW usually doesn't add (or remove) faction decals from the generic kits unless there's a linked release. Given the smaller customer base, I doubt we're going to see a full new edition. Probably something like a 2.5 ed. with an updated rulebook like the Specialist Game Studio has done in the past for other games like Necromunda. Expand That's what the rumours are pointing to currently, a rules clean up rather than reboot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Ex_Machina Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 5:59 AM, 01RTB01 said: I really don't understand why gw still keep so tight lipped. The live Q+A session was largely pointless as most comments were "we can't say anything" or "keep an eye on warcom." Even rough months would be something. Just because I don't know what's coming, doesn't mean I'll spend my disposable income on other stuff. I'll simply hold until stuff I actually want drops ala the EC release. Can't just be me? Expand They want your impulse purchases. Thank the rotten marketing fools over at Gee-Dubbs for that decision. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Ex_Machina Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 10:25 AM, Joe said: Was related to me in passing by a mutual that took part in one of the third-party stalls at the event. The TL;DR; is there was brewing anger with the team anyway as they'd been preventing the rules writers, artists and model designers attending for Q&As and such for years, coupled with how badly they managed the weekend. Camels back breaking and all that. Expand Creative people who breathe life into Warhammer are treated like dirt? Why am I not surprised? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 9:16 AM, ZeroWolf said: I probably say the difference is the size of the company. In fact GW is almost a stand in for the Imperium itself, a vast interlocking series of departments where information is on a need to know basis, striving for constant survival (in this case, making money for the god Emperor...i mean shareholders) against a galaxy of threats, some from within (think companies formed by ex GW staff like Warlord etc) many from without (Warmachine, battletech, SW legions, OPR etc). Everything they do seems archaic and opaque with little to no innovation yet they continue as they have done throughout time. They are ruled over by the high Lords of terra (shareholders and other members of the board at the tipty top of GW). If you want to continue the analogy further, the great rift represents the time in the 2010s when their competitors actually gained on them like the rise of Warmachine. Also, their sudden resurgence = Indomitus Crusade. Expand The problems with the principle this analogy alludes to is there are far bigger companies with higher turn around than GW who DO tell us what they're working on. In most industries. Car industries for example. Even Amazon tells us what they're working on. GW has no reason to keep their cards close to their chests and I wonder how long until they get genuine push back from someone on they board who might know better from business experience. Generate buzz and excitement through anticipation, otherwise it's just anxiety and nerves from the unknown. Aarik 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfred_the_great Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Also lol at holding up war machine as an exemplar of community engagement. The brand has twice invalidated all previous rules, the IP has been sold, it’s based on a hyper-competitive “play like you’ve got a pair” matched play style, and it’s broadly un-customisable. if GW tried all that the community would have a complete meltdown. painting.for.my.sanity, CrusaderXIII, Dalmyth and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoriyaSchism Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 12:05 PM, Captain Idaho said: The problems with the principle this analogy alludes to is there are far bigger companies with higher turn around than GW who DO tell us what they're working on. In most industries. Car industries for example. Even Amazon tells us what they're working on. GW has no reason to keep their cards close to their chests and I wonder how long until they get genuine push back from someone on they board who might know better from business experience. Generate buzz and excitement through anticipation, otherwise it's just anxiety and nerves from the unknown. Expand It could also help with feedback if they showed off in progress 3D sculpts instead of going ahead and tooling up for manufacturing a terrible model. Perhaps with some community feedback we could have avoided some of the more awful stuff from last year like Inquisitor Coteaz. Dalmyth, Captain Idaho and Aarik 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 12:05 PM, Captain Idaho said: The problems with the principle this analogy alludes to is there are far bigger companies with higher turn around than GW who DO tell us what they're working on. In most industries. Car industries for example. Even Amazon tells us what they're working on. GW has no reason to keep their cards close to their chests and I wonder how long until they get genuine push back from someone on they board who might know better from business experience. Generate buzz and excitement through anticipation, otherwise it's just anxiety and nerves from the unknown. Expand I think it's a tricky one. Knowing that things are changing tends to stop me buying stuff, which is clearly an issue for GW. They don't care if the model or book I bought is now useless (more often the case for a book) as they still get paid but I care a lot. My Raven Guard army is kind of done. I was considering whether to start something new but I'm holding back now, other than test minis of things I'm sure will still be legal because they're unmodified new plastics that I already own. Clearly that's not what GW would want. Captain Idaho, LameBeard and Dalmyth 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) True, I don't disagree at all, but knowing what the change is might help. Like, for their business model GW could explain army construction without spoiling all the rules to play the game, so folk can still get behind the excitement of the new game. I mean, at the moment knowing there is a new edition or release or something from rumours has paused my hobby enthusiasm somewhat too. If I knew what I was building was valid broadly speaking in construction might not matter normally as I'm doing a theme, but everyone else around me has paused so it would help. Edited March 28 by Captain Idaho Dalmyth and LameBeard 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 2:06 PM, Captain Idaho said: True, I don't disagree at all, but knowing what the change is might help. Like, for their business model GW could explain army construction without spoiling all the rules to play the game, so folk can still get behind the excitement of the new game. I mean, at the moment knowing there is a new edition or release or something from rumours has paused my hobby enthusiasm somewhat too. If I knew what I was building was valid broadly speaking in construction might not matter normally as I'm doing a theme, but everyone else around me has paused so it would help. Expand Yep, that's also true. They don't like to give detailed information like that until just before release, and generally not in full even then, because they want you to buy the book. I assume that an army made up of some marines, tanks and dreadnoughts ought to be fine. It's things like drop assault or angels' wrath I'd be more worried about - both whether they're legal at all or whether they will be any good. So this is arguably a time to paint tactical squads, unless of course you care about the rules the legions will have. I'm currently going through my kill team backlog instead. I'm really enjoying kill team and kind of wish the unofficial heresy version was played more. Captain Idaho and LameBeard 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 The problem with this "why can't GW just tell us" is because for all we know, there is no third edition HH coming, there might just be a new box a la the Astartes Support Group from a couple of years ago. We don't know, but if they say "there's no new edition of HH coming this year" then the obvious question is what is coming - and if they confirm there's nothing for a few months... well, look at what happened when they confirmed no 40k releases between BA and AM. The internet did not, to but it mildly, take it well. Also, I can see why they'd be reticent to start a policy of confirming/denying rumours. That's a bad road to go down. Matcap86 and Aarik 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 12:08 PM, alfred_the_great said: The brand has twice invalidated all previous rules, it’s based on a hyper-competitive “play like you’ve got a pair” matched play style, and it’s broadly un-customisable. if GW tried all that the community would have a complete meltdown. Expand I took one thing out and suddenly you've described modern 40k/AoS and model production policy lol Dark Legionnare, ZeroWolf and MoriyaSchism 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) On 3/28/2025 at 7:41 AM, Mogger351 said: You have a reliable rumour source in valrak and a fair few other cources corroborating that something is coming this summer. There are no hard facts until GW themselves reveal it. So you either engage with the rumours and have some idea of what could be coming, or you totally distance them and exist not thinking anything at all is coming as there's nothing official. Being frustrated at either isn't going to help. Expand Totally agree about the facts part indeed. Also, I'm not frustrated, more like curious to see some of the stuff on one side, and making a litttle bit of fun of people who get all over-exaggerated about those (supposedly) upcoming releases, because, as you said, it doesn't get you anywhere. Still, rumours are just rumours, right. For me, the one little tidbit that's suggesting there's any truth to it, apart from people having seen the box but not being able to post pics due to security reasons, is the fact that they announced to drop the rules for Lotara and Daemon Angron in pdf form only. They won't be releasing a book to go along with that, like they did when Fulgrim Transfigures came out. That's my personal indication there won't be any more book releases for 2.0 But then, that could also be wrong of course. EDIT: spelling, didn't have coffee yet, damn Edited March 28 by Unknown Legionnaire Aarik and Mandragola 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385463-heresy-30-in-springsummer/page/15/#findComment-6102502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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