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[Robbienw]

I don’t think they’ve stated that is the case for every model.

[WARMASTER_]

2 hours ago, Robbienw said:

I don’t think they’ve stated that is the case for every model.

They did one of the sculptors mentioned it in a VoxCast he said it’s super easy to just shrink them down after if I remember correctly 

Edited March 16 by WARMASTER_

[Robbienw]

I know they often shrink them down, but I’m certain they’ve never stated it’s the case for every model.  We would have seen stuff like the Warmaster and the Dire Wolf now in 40k size, there is no way they would hold them back from release for this long.

[Matcap86]

42 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

I know they often shrink them down, but I’m certain they’ve never stated it’s the case for every model.  We would have seen stuff like the Warmaster and the Dire Wolf now in 40k size, there is no way they would hold them back from release for this long.

 

Careful in trying to apply logic to GWs release schedule; that way madness lies.

[Robbienw]

The Warmaster was released around November 2021, so if we apply the 2 year rule from start of design to release, you are telling me a full scale Warmaster was designed before the end of 2019 and they just haven’t bothered to release it in the intervening 5 and a bit years.  Similar with the Dire Wolf, a full scale model designed roughly 3 years ago prior to the resin coming out, they just can’t be bothered to release it.

 

Come on mate 

 

They’ve never stated it applies to every single model.

[Matrindur]

The Warmaster is a bit of a different case since it would be so big that is simply couldn't be viable to release even if they had the files. The Dire Wolf on the other hand doesn't have that problem and while they would obviously still have to decide if it was actually worth it with how many they would sell, since it would be a resin kit thats not too much of a problem

Edited March 17 by Matrindur

[Matcap86]

8 hours ago, Robbienw said:

The Warmaster was released around November 2021, so if we apply the 2 year rule from start of design to release, you are telling me a full scale Warmaster was designed before the end of 2019 and they just haven’t bothered to release it in the intervening 5 and a bit years.  Similar with the Dire Wolf, a full scale model designed roughly 3 years ago prior to the resin coming out, they just can’t be bothered to release it.

 

Come on mate 

 

They’ve never stated it applies to every single model.

 

Those 2 examples are just because they haven't made the jump to releasing titan models in plastic (yet). The warlord, reaver and warhound are also out in tiny for years now, but nothing bigger than knights in the larger scale. (Though plastic warhound and thunder hawk rumors abound for like a decade now).

[ZeroWolf]

Also worth noting that GW aren't above letting things sit on shelves for a good number of years, ala the missile launching Primaris marines which reportedly were done as part of the first wave but never saw the light of day till years later. 

[Xenith]

12 hours ago, Robbienw said:

I know they often shrink them down, but I’m certain they’ve never stated it’s the case for every model.  We would have seen stuff like the Warmaster and the Dire Wolf now in 40k size, there is no way they would hold them back from release for this long.

 

They said it's how they make LI designs, which we can assume means every model. From a business standpoint, why do it twice, when you can do it once and shrink it? Also, just because the designs exist doesn't mean they can make things in plastic yet - particularly for the WH and warmaster. It would be the biggest kit they've ever made. They can't yet do a warhound in plastic, they wouldn't be able to do a warmaster. Then again, maybe they're waiting for a certain large heresy announcement to break...

Edited March 17 by Xenith

[Robbienw]

Its not because of plastification, they still release stuff in resin.  The Warmaster is bigger than the Warlord of course, but would still be viable in resin and there is obviously still a market for large titan models.

 

The Direwolf is smaller than a Reaver, so definitely viable as a resin release.  There is no way they wouldn't have released it in the last 3 years if it really existed in 40k scale.

 

We do have example of a few LI models that have design differences to 28mm models that came out later.  Take the assault marines form example, the lack of 3rd exhaust on the pack implies the 40k equivalent was designed after the LI version.

 

The majority of LI models will be shrunk from 40k sizes, but there is no hard and fast rule that this must always be the case.  Its obviously possible to design an epic scale model without a 28mm reference.  I will repeat it again - they have never said it applies to **every single epic scale model**.  There is no GW statement in existence that states every single LI model has to be made this way.

[Matcap86]

1 hour ago, Robbienw said:

Its not because of plastification, they still release stuff in resin.  The Warmaster is bigger than the Warlord of course, but would still be viable in resin and there is obviously still a market for large titan models.

 

The Direwolf is smaller than a Reaver, so definitely viable as a resin release.  There is no way they wouldn't have released it in the last 3 years if it really existed in 40k scale.

 

We do have example of a few LI models that have design differences to 28mm models that came out later.  Take the assault marines form example, the lack of 3rd exhaust on the pack implies the 40k equivalent was designed after the LI version.

 

The majority of LI models will be shrunk from 40k sizes, but there is no hard and fast rule that this must always be the case.  Its obviously possible to design an epic scale model without a 28mm reference.  I will repeat it again - they have never said it applies to **every single epic scale model**.  There is no GW statement in existence that states every single LI model has to be made this way.

 

I'm trying to think when's the last time they released a model in resin larger than a character? Must've been like 5 years? The rereleases of old world resin monsters might be the closest thing we've gotten. There was talk of them phasing out all resin vehicle production a while back, so might be why we haven't gotten the titans out yet. 

 

Edit: I think the Arvus remaster might have been it? But that was a weird one in general, bring it out in resin a year ago and a year later release a plastic kit. 

Edited March 17 by Matcap86

[Joe]

1 hour ago, Robbienw said:

There is no way they wouldn't have released it in the last 3 years if it really existed in 40k scale.

 

This is assuming the company is convinced that they'll sell enough in a reasonable time frame, and that adding a new titan to the range isn't going to immediately disrupt sales for other ranges when hobbyists inevitably cancel planned purchases to put money aside for a new titan. That steady flow of income from normal hobbying purchases is preferred to someone dropping £1,000 on a titan then not purchasing anything else for months on end.

As far as the statement goes, it's in White Dwarf (circa 2019/2020) when they were discussing the process for designing models as part of Adeptus Titanicus and future "Epic scale" ranges. Designed at 28mm, then used as the basis for smaller scale releases. Design differences between the two isn't entirely surprising either - we've already seen examples of this.

[DuskRaider]

So the good news with this box is that you get four Knights, which means two boxes will get you two full Banners of each Mech Questoris variant. That’s actually pretty decent and what I plan on doing myself. 

[Robbienw]

6 minutes ago, Matcap86 said:

 

I'm trying to think when's the last time they released a model in resin larger than a character? Must've been like 5 years? The rereleases of old world resin monsters might be the closest thing we've gotten. There was talk of them phasing out all resin vehicle production a while back, so might be why we haven't gotten the titans out yet. 

 

Edit: I think the Arvus remaster might have been it? But that was a weird one in general, bring it out in resin a year ago and a year later release a plastic kit. 

 

Way less than 5 years.  The Skalvian Explorator for the Necromunda Squats came out in October 2023.

 

So plenty of time for them to release the 28mm Dire Wolf and Warmaster before any possible embargo on resin vehicle releases.  The Warmaster obviously would not be possible at 28mm in plastic, so logically there would be no point designing one if a resin release was impossible.

 

I'll say it again - there is no statement, policy, rule or physical reason that rules out them designing and releasing an LI model without designing a 28mm version first.  

[DuskRaider]

The Dire Wolf just isn’t a very popular Titan overall. Even after plastification, you don’t see them very often and even in Titanicus, the game they were actually designed for, they’re limited to one per Maniple and not very common there either. I would have to imagine that 8mm sales may have some kind of impact on the decision to create a 28mm version, or 28mm Titan sales in general. 
 

I vividly recall an interview where the designers stated that they used the CAD files for the 28mm version of the Warlord and maybe Reaver? to create the 8mm models. The Warhound had to be made from scratch as the 28mm version preceded the technology and was hand made. I’m pretty sure the Reaver was CAD, but don’t quote me on that since the aforementioned article and interview are 6+ years old now. 
 

It would stand to reason that any models created and released after AT are also CAD and thus have the ability to be scaled up and down as they please… obviously with more or less detail depending on the scale. 

[Robbienw]

Not being that popular in Titanicus doesn't preclude them being viable for a model release for 40K/30K.  The same small subset of collectors who buy all the other big titan models would buy a Direwolf in 28mm.  They aren't purchased solely as gaming pieces.

 

[BolterZorro]

I'm really surprised to read this "shrinking down" chat. GW is not an online 3D sculptor. They are a plastic miniature manufacturer (technically : polistyren).
That means that shrinking a mini is not the main job. TBH, it is a matter of just one click. No, the main job is to rethink, rebuild, redesign the whole molding process which is 90% of the job and 99% of the cost of the mini. Almost none of the parts of the 28/32mm scale miniature can be directly put in the new 8mm scale mold. Of course, at some times, they shrink things down. But this is the easy part.

PS: I hoped after reading this new questoris reveal that we, at last, got something to order next week. False alert...again.

Edited March 17 by BolterZorro

[DuskRaider]

3 hours ago, Robbienw said:

Not being that popular in Titanicus doesn't preclude them being viable for a model release for 40K/30K.  The same small subset of collectors who buy all the other big titan models would buy a Direwolf in 28mm.  They aren't purchased solely as gaming pieces.

 

Titans in 28mm just aren’t that popular overall. The price tag is high, which means that the customer base is generally pretty small. Obviously they don’t give out numbers for the volume they push, but I am curious what number each of the Titans would show on the certificate you get with them if they still do that. I remember purchasing a Chaos Warhound back in 2015 or so, around what? Ten years after that was originally offered for sale, give or take, and it was still under 1,000 on the certificate… something in the 800 or 900, I can’t remember at this point, but I was kinda surprised considering how long the model had been around. 
 

My buddy has a still unassembled Warlord he purchased back in 2019 or so, I’ll have to ask him what number is on the cert. 

 

I just don’t think the market is there to retool for an entirely new 28mm resin Titan. Just think about how few 28mm Warbringers you see, those are the most recent release. 

[Xenith]

3 hours ago, BolterZorro said:

Almost none of the parts of the 28/32mm scale miniature can be directly put in the new 8mm scale mold. Of course, at some times, they shrink things down. But this is the easy part.

 

Well, shrinking was only one part of it - they also said that they then look at the model after shrinkage (and presumably 3d printing a prototype) and remove any detail too small at that scale, or that would be impossible to produce at 8mm via injection moulding. 

Edited March 17 by Xenith

[Robbienw]

1 hour ago, DuskRaider said:

 

I just don’t think the market is there to retool for an entirely new 28mm resin Titan. Just think about how few 28mm Warbringers you see, those are the most recent release. 

The market is definitely there, it’s the same as it always has been.  A small subset of collectors with a bit of cash and the time and skill required to build one.  They’ve even formed a club called the titan owners club.

 

I still think it’s just the case that the 40K version hasn’t been designed.  I suspect it’s because they have the relevant designers focused on making vehicle kits into plastic.

[DuskRaider]

1 hour ago, Robbienw said:

The market is definitely there, it’s the same as it always has been.  A small subset of collectors with a bit of cash and the time and skill required to build one.  They’ve even formed a club called the titan owners club.

 

I still think it’s just the case that the 40K version hasn’t been designed.  I suspect it’s because they have the relevant designers focused on making vehicle kits into plastic.

I would say the base model CAD is there, but if they do decide to do it in 28mm then they will need to add more detail, as it’s possible at that scale

[Robbienw]

1 hour ago, DuskRaider said:

I would say the base model CAD is there, but if they do decide to do it in 28mm then they will need to add more detail, as it’s possible at that scale

Well they might have blown up the base LI shape to 28mm proportions to see how it look in terms of size compared to the other titans, but that’s as far as it will have gone.

 

There is no way they would have put a designer doing all the 28mm details, interior detail, crew etc unless it was going to be released.  The detail in 28mm titans is incredible, the time taken to design one is not short.

Edited March 17 by Robbienw

[DuskRaider]

3 hours ago, Robbienw said:

Well they might have blown up the base LI shape to 28mm proportions to see how it look in terms of size compared to the other titans, but that’s as far as it will have gone.

 

There is no way they would have put a designer doing all the 28mm details, interior detail, crew etc unless it was going to be released.  The detail in 28mm titans is incredible, the time taken to design one is not short.

That’s how they said they did the 8mm versions back in 2018 sans the Warhound due to its age. I don’t know, ask GW. I’m sure they’d answer you. 

[apologist]

I vaguely recall an article – or possibly an episode of the GW podcast – where it was mentioned that the Warbringer Nemesis* was designed in CAD, and was the first Titan to be so designed. It was natively 28mm scale, and it was then reduced and adapted for 6mm/AT-scale.

 

The other Titans had been hand-sculpted, and so out came the callipers and they were painstakingly redesigned into CAD when it was decided to go full plastic, quite late in the day. This was part of the reason for the game's long gestation period.

 

 

* It might have been the Warhound, but that seems weird to me.