Warhammer Preview AdeptiCon 2025

[Nephaston]

42 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

What is there to evaluate? There's 4 more chaos books all likely getting 1 unit each?

There is nothing to evaluate, because we haven't seen it yet, which is exactly what I mean. And at least in the case of WE, unless they get nothing but the codex, they are already at two units thanks to that kill team release. Which plays into that whole wait and see thing. Sure every mainline codex get probably only one unit to go along with it, but kill team is one additional avenue, and, depending on how quick the release pace is, they might start with the end of edition campaign books which most likely will have to do something with the vashtorr plot and maybe one or two more chaos releases.

 

End of it is that it most likely will not live up to the hype. All I'm saying is to not get all disappointed in march when the year is still going and the overblown marketing is revealed to be mostly hot air.

[Antarius]

Whether or not any specific faction "deserves" a second wave of such and such magnitude is pretty irrelevant to what is actually going to happen at this point. It's just a fact that GW has a limited design/production capacity and an ever-increasing number of factions (in an increasing amount of games) to cater to.
So if we're going by the metric of "this faction deserves x amount of new units", I think we're setting ourselves up for disappointment. That's not a defense (or a condemnation) of the situation, just (what I think is) a realistic appraisal.

If I were a cult marine player (and I guess I am, at least to some extent; I have a Death Guard army kicking around in the back of the storage closet) I'd probably see the addition of Daemons as the realistically expectable expansion of my army's options and consider everything else an added bonus.

[ZeroWolf]

59 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

There is nothing to evaluate, because we haven't seen it yet, which is exactly what I mean. And at least in the case of WE, unless they get nothing but the codex, they are already at two units thanks to that kill team release. Which plays into that whole wait and see thing. Sure every mainline codex get probably only one unit to go along with it, but kill team is one additional avenue, and, depending on how quick the release pace is, they might start with the end of edition campaign books which most likely will have to do something with the vashtorr plot and maybe one or two more chaos releases.

 

End of it is that it most likely will not live up to the hype. All I'm saying is to not get all disappointed in march when the year is still going and the overblown marketing is revealed to be mostly hot air.

Don't forget that GW may also be talking about AoS chaos releases as well, so the year of Chaos goes across all the systems (plus let's face it, if there is a HH 3.0 they'll point to that as being in the year of chaos as well!)

[DuskRaider]

On 3/24/2025 at 3:32 PM, Mostwanted said:

This looks so much better than what they have just shown. I love the idea of GW doing dedicated Tyranid terrain but the detailing on this new peice looks terrible to me. I really hope whatever else they show looks better.

You’re never going to get the same amount of detail in plastic as you can / do in resin, but that’s the nature of the process. You sacrifice some detail and in exchange you aren’t paying an arm and a leg for your models. 

[Karhedron]

17 minutes ago, DuskRaider said:

You’re never going to get the same amount of detail in plastic as you can / do in resin, but that’s the nature of the process. You sacrifice some detail and in exchange you aren’t paying an arm and a leg for your models. 

 

Plastic is also easier for users as it is more robust and can be assembled with polystyrene cement rather than requiring superglue. This makes it more appealing for modellers of a younger demographic. Mind you, I started out modelling in the days of white metal when conversions generally required a hacksaw. 

[Mogger351]

2 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

Don't forget that GW may also be talking about AoS chaos releases as well, so the year of Chaos goes across all the systems (plus let's face it, if there is a HH 3.0 they'll point to that as being in the year of chaos as well!)

Nope, it was on the 40k roadmap. Not the AoS or the Killteam one. Categorically outside of the EC box this "treat for chaos" and big year of chaos is simply because they held the books back to break up daemons in some capacity.

[TheMawr]

32 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Nope, it was on the 40k roadmap. Not the AoS or the Killteam one. Categorically outside of the EC box this "treat for chaos" and big year of chaos is simply because they held the books back to break up daemons in some capacity.

 

I was about to (genuinely) ask where GW had called 2025 the year of chaos.. but you mean this is the source for that ?

 

 

Because I always read the Special chaos treats different than a "big focus on chaos" thing. Hell, lets see some things one can consider as special chaos treat :

-- A new chaos army/primarch/codex dropping in with a whopping 7 kits

-- A series of super special LE codexes ( to be bought apart from the regular special LE codexes you get in the boxsets you desired for so long )

-- A generic on foot character for Deathguard because they have sooo many

-- A WE/Khorne cultist kill team absolutely no one could have seen coming, its details completely evading rumors and leaks, wich is a rare "suprise".. so a special treat
-- An announcement that one of the Chaos armies will stay a free download ( jay, free stuff! :p )

-- A generic on foot character for world eaters because they have 0

-- A Thousand sons boxset with no Tzaangor in it
 

I mean, I use sarcasm and humor above, and while they are not all good or big things, they are special treats nonetheless.
If people translated a very mild "special chaos treats" to "big year of chaos" from a company that has used "an avalanche of huge reveals" for 2-3 kits being shown.. I dont know anything else to say than you should have known better. ( though if GW said 2025 is the year of chaos somewhere else I stand corrected.)

 

Thats not to say that it isnt true WE and TS really should get more than a single kit. I still, naively perhaps, think the armies neglected last 9 years will get more things soon as I think the main focus 8th to 10th had was clearing out really old (pre 5th) plastic and resin stuff ( wich only applied to older and already sizable factions.) and that seizable project has about reached its completion.

 

All that said, I do think there is a slight possibility still that tonight either WE or TS get more announced than expected. I had recently even been wondering if the long rumored chaos bikes might pop up for WE, using an upgrade sprue on a new chaos bike kit to make it WE bikes.. but still being released for them first. ( like how tzaangor+upgrade sprue was released first for Thousand sons, before they announced and released the upgrade sprue-less tzaangor for AoS.)

 

TS is less likely, as Id imagine it would have been in the boxset rumor.. though the token release being a unit only, and one branching in a new creative direction at that, is quite unique. This is not just weird from a consumer expectation pov, but it also isnt how projects generally work in the design phase from my experience. The token characters often come from having excess character designs from the initial design project. ( random LE models come from this same pool.) excess bigger things/units are rarer. ( the "second waves" sometimes come from this pool, some kill team style releases too.) ofcourse this might not be the same at GW, but its a very inefficient way to tackle a project.

[DuskRaider]

1 hour ago, Karhedron said:

 

Plastic is also easier for users as it is more robust and can be assembled with polystyrene cement rather than requiring superglue. This makes it more appealing for modellers of a younger demographic. Mind you, I started out modelling in the days of white metal when conversions generally required a hacksaw. 

I agree for the most part. I like the detail that they can get out of resin, but the days of building an entire army out of it are long gone at this point. It’s just not feasible, especially at the price they charge for it these days. Sometimes I miss my metal Plague Marines. 

[Rain]

Resin depends a lot on the specifics of the model. Resin is terrible at thin spindly bits as it’s very fragile, and it warps, so a lot of the old resin HH tanks had some funky looking bent barrels.

 

That said, for chunkier models, I find it by far the easiest material to work with. It’s soft and easily cut or sanded as needed, it’s easy to clean, and resin models don’t come as a 3D jigsaw puzzle where a single body part might be comprised of 3 separate pieces which requires a ton of seam filling and other nonsense. I recently built a demon prince, and it’s a cool looking model, but it’s an absolute nightmare to build.

[Mogger351]

46 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

I was about to (genuinely) ask where GW had called 2025 the year of chaos.. but you mean this is the source for that ?

 

 

Because I always read the Special chaos treats different than a "big focus on chaos" thing. Hell, lets see some things one can consider as special chaos treat :

-- A new chaos army/primarch/codex dropping in with a whopping 7 kits

-- A series of super special LE codexes ( to be bought apart from the regular special LE codexes you get in the boxsets you desired for so long )

-- A generic on foot character for Deathguard because they have sooo many

-- A WE/Khorne cultist kill team absolutely no one could have seen coming, its details completely evading rumors and leaks, wich is a rare "suprise".. so a special treat
-- An announcement that one of the Chaos armies will stay a free download ( jay, free stuff! :p )

-- A generic on foot character for world eaters because they have 0

-- A Thousand sons boxset with no Tzaangor in it
 

I mean, I use sarcasm and humor above, and while they are not all good or big things, they are special treats nonetheless.
If people translated a very mild "special chaos treats" to "big year of chaos" from a company that has used "an avalanche of huge reveals" for 2-3 kits being shown.. I dont know anything else to say than you should have known better. ( though if GW said 2025 is the year of chaos somewhere else I stand corrected.)

 

Thats not to say that it isnt true WE and TS really should get more than a single kit. I still, naively perhaps, think the armies neglected last 9 years will get more things soon as I think the main focus 8th to 10th had was clearing out really old (pre 5th) plastic and resin stuff ( wich only applied to older and already sizable factions.) and that seizable project has about reached its completion.

 

All that said, I do think there is a slight possibility still that tonight either WE or TS get more announced than expected. I had recently even been wondering if the long rumored chaos bikes might pop up for WE, using an upgrade sprue on a new chaos bike kit to make it WE bikes.. but still being released for them first. ( like how tzaangor+upgrade sprue was released first for Thousand sons, before they announced and released the upgrade sprue-less tzaangor for AoS.)

 

TS is less likely, as Id imagine it would have been in the boxset rumor.. though the token release being a unit only, and one branching in a new creative direction at that, is quite unique. This is not just weird from a consumer expectation pov, but it also isnt how projects generally work in the design phase from my experience. The token characters often come from having excess character designs from the initial design project. ( random LE models come from this same pool.) excess bigger things/units are rarer. ( the "second waves" sometimes come from this pool, some kill team style releases too.) ofcourse this might not be the same at GW, but its a very inefficient way to tackle a project.

I believe they used the term verbally last time and maybe in a warcom article, I'm not sure. Always a chance my addled brain had joined some extra dots.

 

It just kinda feels sucky they shoved chaos to nigh on the back of the bus, purely as a damage control mechanic for the daemons stuff.

 

Imagine a world where they had a set of special chaos treats that weren't the bare minimum effort for a codex release that had been artificially grouped together, with a special set of £££ books that would be valid for at best 12 months.

 

Imagine them all getting 4-5 kits, rules that weren't designed to make the daemons components anaemic and maybe dropped all at once. That would be cool. That would be an amazing thing people would look back on for ages.

 

It just often feels like releases are smaller and fewer, but people are seemingly ok with less now.

[Rain]

Just now, Mogger351 said:

I believe they used the term verbally last time and maybe in a warcom article, I'm not sure. Always a chance my addled brain had joined some extra dots.

 

It just kinda feels sucky they shoved chaos to nigh on the back of the bus, purely as a damage control mechanic for the daemons stuff.

 

Imagine a world where they had a set of special chaos treats that weren't the bare minimum effort for a codex release that had been artificially grouped together, with a special set of £££ books that would be valid for at best 12 months.

 

Imagine them all getting 4-5 kits, rules that weren't designed to make the daemons components anaemic and maybe dropped all at once. That would be cool. That would be an amazing thing people would look back on for ages.

 

It just often feels like releases are smaller and fewer, but people are seemingly ok with less now.

My hope/guess is that 11th will be a “tweaks around the edges” edition, so hopefully the books will be valid for 4 more years. It sure was fun when the 9th ed World Eaters book launched in February only to be invalidated in June.

 

Realistically the only chance at a new unit that World Eaters had was the Khorne KT, which is why I was upset when it turned out to be Jakhals, the most boring thing it could have possibly been. From here, we will get a character, probably a mutated Eightbound guy judging by the “meat chainsword” Rumor Engine shot from a while ago, and that will be that.

[HeadlessCross]

34 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

 

It just often feels like releases are smaller and fewer, but people are seemingly ok with less now.

The only person to blame is all y'all. If you keep giving them money don't expect change. However, last time I pointed this out, someone had the revelation that, since whales exist, there's no point to voting with your wallet LMAO

[01RTB01]

26 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

The only person to blame is all y'all. If you keep giving them money don't expect change. However, last time I pointed this out, someone had the revelation that, since whales exist, there's no point to voting with your wallet LMAO

I'm not sure there's many whales playing Warhammer. They really struggle with the whole leaning over the table aspect, moving small minis. That's before you get to painting. They're never getting the ten VPs there. A very tragic tale.

[phandaal]

1 hour ago, HeadlessCross said:

The only person to blame is all y'all. If you keep giving them money don't expect change. However, last time I pointed this out, someone had the revelation that, since whales exist, there's no point to voting with your wallet LMAO

 

Unless you know the spending habits of everyone included in that "y'all" (which I do appreciate - thank you for using proper Texanglish), it is hard to say who here is specifically responsible for reinforcing the decisions Games Workshop makes.

 

Whales do exist, but I vote we blame Brother Tyler for enabling bad habits by running this forum. Right to the top, as it were.

[StrangerOrders]

52 minutes ago, phandaal said:

 

Unless you know the spending habits of everyone included in that "y'all" (which I do appreciate - thank you for using proper Texanglish), it is hard to say who here is specifically responsible for reinforcing the decisions Games Workshop makes.

 

Whales do exist, but I vote we blame Brother Tyler for enabling bad habits by running this forum. Right to the top, as it were.

It is specifically funny because it overestimate the way data communicates in a market too.

 

While yes, voting against a product by not buying it is true, you have absolutely no power over what the corrective measure would be.

 

If they wanted to interpret the fact you arent buying as their not doing enough of what you dislike, they absolutely will. Especially when the decision makers don't know or care about the product in terms of their own personal use.

[Mogger351]

6 minutes ago, StrangerOrders said:

It is specifically funny because it overestimate the way data communicates in a market too.

 

While yes, voting against a product by not buying it is true, you have absolutely no power over what the corrective measure would be.

 

If they wanted to interpret the fact you arent buying as their not doing enough of what you dislike, they absolutely will. Especially when the decision makers don't know or care about the product in terms of their own personal use.

"Oh they stopped buying 40k, might as well pull the end times trigger on it and sack off half the game" or worse yet just conclude the transition to IP owners farming it out with little physical product.

[WARMASTER_]

7 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

The only person to blame is all y'all. If you keep giving them money don't expect change. However, last time I pointed this out, someone had the revelation that, since whales exist, there's no point to voting with your wallet LMAO

This is such a counter intuitive argument though? why wouldn’t I give a company my money If I like the models, I just want more of said models! If I keep buying their products eventually they’ll release new models I want as they reinvest the profits and the cycle continues, win win 

 

 

If we all buy no models, no more releases, no company, no 40k! lose lose 

Edited Wednesday at 11:04 PM by WARMASTER_
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[Matcap86]

It's also nonsense. GW is a runaway success with increased revenue and profits year after year. That's not a thing because whales exist, but because they keep putting out products that a growing customer base wants to buy.

 

In this success they overhauled several game systems, they increased the release rates of products, they changed the way they communicate with the community and how they market and they put out new game systems. That's all change.

 

[Mogger351]

13 minutes ago, Matcap86 said:

It's also nonsense. GW is a runaway success with increased revenue and profits year after year. That's not a thing because whales exist, but because they keep putting out products that a growing customer base wants to buy.

 

In this success they overhauled several game systems, they increased the release rates of products, they changed the way they communicate with the community and how they market and they put out new game systems. That's all change.

 

I don't disagree, but I think the standard for what constitutes a good release or refresh within the community has definitely slipped over the last decade.

 

I'm sure someone can maths it an prove me wrong but it feels like since we got the "single new model/unit mininum" approach, we get less overall.

[Rain]

1 minute ago, Mogger351 said:

I don't disagree, but I think the standard for what constitutes a good release or refresh within the community has definitely slipped over the last decade.

 

I'm sure someone can maths it an prove me wrong but it feels like since we got the "single new model/unit mininum" approach, we get less overall.

 

Chaos got  all for releases back in the good old days too. Berzerker models from 2nd edition were just replaced in 2022. The Defiler model is from 2002. The tanks are at least that old, or older. 4th through the beginning of 6th was a massive dry spell with a bad codex and a few minor releases sprinkled around, none being new units. 6th saw a Chaos wave, though I personally hated that era of Chaos design. Flesh and jagged trim everywhere was awful. I hated the Dark Vengeance models, I hate the Dinobots and the Dragon Turkey. So, all told, I feel like Chaos is going in the right direction recently, especially with regard to aesthetics. The new Berzerkers, and the entire EC model range are absolutely amazing.

[phandaal]

10 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I don't disagree, but I think the standard for what constitutes a good release or refresh within the community has definitely slipped over the last decade.

 

I'm sure someone can maths it an prove me wrong but it feels like since we got the "single new model/unit mininum" approach, we get less overall.

 

Could be Votann waiting for the complete range, and have a massive number of teaser pictures only to have them all solved by a single upgrade sprue for Warriors. 

 

GW plz give giant Ironkin. I do not want to have to convert more Kastelans.

[Mr Farson]

19 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I don't disagree, but I think the standard for what constitutes a good release or refresh within the community has definitely slipped over the last decade.

 

I'm sure someone can maths it an prove me wrong but it feels like since we got the "single new model/unit mininum" approach, we get less overall.

 

Nature of the cycle really, only x number of factions would get updates and releases in an edition in the old days but when they did they would usually be sizeable.

 

There's also the element of resculpts don't sell well to established players so you need new units but that becomes unfeasible for every faction so you get the sole model release instead 

[Joe]

We're also rapidly reaching a point where range refreshes are going to plateau due to there being minimal room for improvement on old / existing kits, and there's only so many directions existing factions can expand in past that beyond named characters. 

[Indy Techwisp]

Anyone got any predictions for reveals?

[INKS]

World Eaters stuff. Nids for kill team in some box. I don't know enough about fantasy and old world and don't really follow it. Maybe a few other chaos bits and a recap on EC.