10th Ed New Chaos Characters/Units

[grailkeeper]

Wishing for something only for it to be very disappointing is pretty on brand for the Tsons lore-wise. 

[WARMASTER_]

9 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

Those 1kSons robots are absolutely terrible.  Woof.

The heresy TS Castellax is one of the best minis GW make and then they give us these! Awful 

[DuskRaider]

The biggest problem with Chaos that GW seems to have is pigeon-holing each one into a boring, one dimensional trope and just running with it. It’s like they don’t even know what to do with their own creations, while the community at large has come up with plenty of concepts for variety and play that fits a theme without becoming cartoony. Between that and stripping the armies of a lot of what makes them them… 

 

World Eaters are a perfect example of this. They could have made updated Teeth of Khorne, Assault Marines, duelists, etc. to focus on the many aspects of what makes Khorne what he is and by extension his worshippers, but instead it’s all goofy models and one dimensional KILL MAIM BURN meme dump. 

[tzeentch9]

7 hours ago, siegfriedfr said:

 

Those Tzangor robots are shocking because we live in a world where the following models exist :

 

 

 

Not a fan of that Heresy robot, glad the new ones don't look that that.

[StrangerOrders]

I have to pose a question for WE players, because they DID actually get a new unit in addition to the new HQ. The Bloodletter Cosplayers released to Killteam.

 

Which is more upsetting in Monkey's Paw way, getting a new HQ that is an Astartes but for their ugliest unit or getting a new unit but its another cultist?

 

It feels lile if someone says 'you get a new HQ and Unit', I personally be happy until I saw it was the interpretation of that that I'd want the least.

 

I do also want to leave a record of my guess that EC get a Killteam release it will be cultists.

[Indy Techwisp]

8 hours ago, Antarius said:

I'm not a Thousand Sons player, but I really don't get the hate for those robots. The idea is pretty cool to me and a quite fluffy concept. I mean, tthere are very few actually living - and not even a lot of "living" - Thousand Sons marines left, so it's kinda reasonable for the faction to have to rely on other resources and why shouldn't that be scavenged(?) and ensorcelled robots? Maybe it's just my age showing, but I like this approach a lot better than a new marine unit suddenly appearing for Thousand Sons.
Tastes differ, of course, but I also think they look quite cool and tbh I sort of think people might just have a hard time seeing past the paintjob.

Plus, of course, it wouldn't be a thread about chaos reveals without a lot of rage (and not in a cool, Khorne-approved way either); I'm almost surprised noone has mentioned the 3.5 codex yet...

 

We already have a solution to the lessened number of Non-Dust Marines.

That answer is Rubrics.

Y'know, the supposed bulk of the Thousand Sons and where our factions tagline of "All is Dust" originates?

 

About 70% of the Legion got dusted initially and every codex has made sure to remind you that the TSons can, in fact, Spawn more Rubrics at will.

 

So why have we only got 2 types of them?

Where's our Rubric Havocs?

Where's our Assault Rubrics, we had an entire Cabal of dedicated melee guys?

Also, there's still more territory for characters if GW wanted to just phone it in with a single model release, especially a Terminator Character that's not an alt-build of a soon-to-be-going CSM kit.

 

34 minutes ago, StrangerOrders said:

I do also want to leave a record of my guess that EC get a Killteam release it will be cultists.

 

I would like to juggle EC getting a Cultist Killteam, CSM getting an Alpha Legion Killteam and TSons getting Imported Kairic Acolytes as a Killteam.

Edited Thursday at 01:00 PM by Indy Techwisp

[StrangerOrders]

6 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

We already have a solution to the lessened number of Non-Dust Marines.

That answer is Rubrics.

Y'know, the supposed bulk of the Thousand Sons and where our factions tagline of "All is Dust" originates?

 

About 70% of the Legion got dusted initially and every codex has made sure to remind you that the TSons can, in fact, Spawn more Rubrics at will.

 

So why have we only got 3 types of them?

Where's our Rubric Havocs?

Where's our Assault Rubrics, we had an entire Cabal of dedicated melee guys?

Also, there's still more territory for characters if GW wanted to just phone it in with a single model release, especially a Terminator Character that's not an alt-build of a soon-to-be-going CSM kit.

This might sound strange but I always felt a really sensible unit for TS would be a sniper/infiltrator unit.

 

Reasoning is:

-Character Sniping.

-Early Objective Grab for a fairly crawling army sans Tzaangors.

-They had them in 30k, explicitely Psykers.

-Can easily be a fixed 3 man squad, which would make junior sorcerors reasonable.

-Gives a niche for really newbie sorcerors to do.

-Plays into their apparent 'ranged monogod' look.

-It would be really cool and would tap into the 'border guard/nomad' aspect of the Egypt motif.

Edited Thursday at 01:04 PM by StrangerOrders

[1ncarnadine]

Dang, the Thousand Sons bots are definitely off. This is exactly like comparing the Mechanicum Castellax vs the much goofier AdMech Kastelan bots. Like many here, I agree they should have taken more cues from the 30k Achea automata. The Sekhetar even share the mirror dome face with the Kastelan.

[Indy Techwisp]

15 minutes ago, StrangerOrders said:

This might sound strange but I always felt a really sensible unit for TS would be a sniper/infiltrator unit.

 

Reasoning is:

-Character Sniping.

-Early Objective Grab for a fairly crawling army sans Tzaangors.

-They had them in 30k, explicitely Psykers.

-Can easily be a fixed 3 man squad, which would make junior sorcerors reasonable.

-Gives a niche for really newbie sorcerors to do.

-Plays into their apparent 'ranged monogod' look.

-It would be really cool and would tap into the 'border guard/nomad' aspect of the Egypt motif.

 

The Horus Heresy team agree with you:

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ammitara_Occult

[Jukkiz]

i still cannot fathom the lore of eightbounds, ever.

If single daemon can rip you aprt or take you over within moments, why would letting 8 of them be anyway good idea?  And this new lord has A BLOODTHIRSTER in his body...

Writing team propably high of combat stims with WE lore lately

[DemonGSides]

5 minutes ago, Jukkiz said:

i still cannot fathom the lore of eightbounds, ever.

If single daemon can rip you aprt or take you over within moments, why would letting 8 of them be anyway good idea?  And this new lord has A BLOODTHIRSTER in his body...

Writing team propably high of combat stims with WE lore lately

 

Demon possession as a skill check has lots of instances in the lore, so it's not that out of scope of the realm but it definitely feels like "Oh yeah?  Well these guys have been possessed SO MUCH MORE AND THAT MEANS THEY ARE COOLER." Which is like, 12 year old brain levels of logic. 

[Naryn]

Interestingly, that army box for Thousand Sons seems to suggest the box comes with both a left and a right fist. I wonder if we can double up on limbs? Twin power fists or twin rifles might be a neater look and more useful on the tabletop.

[Rain]

1 hour ago, StrangerOrders said:

I have to pose a question for WE players, because they DID actually get a new unit in addition to the new HQ. The Bloodletter Cosplayers released to Killteam.

 

Which is more upsetting in Monkey's Paw way, getting a new HQ that is an Astartes but for their ugliest unit or getting a new unit but its another cultist?

 

It feels lile if someone says 'you get a new HQ and Unit', I personally be happy until I saw it was the interpretation of that that I'd want the least.

This expresses my sentiments exactly. It’s a monkey’s paw wish of “I want a new unit and character.” Wish granted: More Jakhals but with metal legs, and a big Eightbound that’s uhhh just like the other Eightbound. To answer the question: the Kill Team is far more disappointing. They had a chance to add so many interesting things and they went with an option so boring that it hadn’t even occurred to me. I was expecting an 8B hero due to the rumor engine.
 

Also, yes, I specifically like Khorne for the baroque armor and relative lack of weird body horror, so the Eightbound models are generally not my cup of tea, though this guy looks okay, depending on head choice.

 

What I think I will actually do is convert a HH Iron Hands praetor into a Slaughterborn. There’s a lore blurb in the 9th ed codex about an Iron Hand being captured at Istvaan V and implanted with the Butcher’s Nails, creating the ultimate in Emperor’s Children hating technology. That’s a cool concept and would look more visually unique and interesting.

Edited Thursday at 02:40 PM by Rain

[Gree]

Really? No Berzerker-Surgeon for the WE? That's a character that's been teased and foreshadowed for a while now.

 

TS Robots are really let down by the paint scheme. Would probably look much better painted blue and gold and with some kitbashing.

[StrangerOrders]

10 minutes ago, Rain said:

This expresses my sentiments exactly. It’s a monkey’s paw wish of “I want a new unit and character.” Wish granted: More Jakhals but with metal legs, and a big Eightbound that’s uhhh just like the other Eightbound. 
 

Also, yes, I specifically like Khorne for the baroque armor and relative lack of weird body horror, so the Eightbound models are generally not my cup of tea, though this guy looks okay, depending on head choice.

 

What I think I will actually do is convert a HH Iron Hands praetor into a Slaughterborn. There’s a lore blurb in the 9th ed codex about an Iron Hand being captured at Istvaan V and implanted with the Butcher’s Nails, creating the ultimate in Emperor’s Children hating technology. That’s a cool concept and would look more visually unique and interesting.

I agree, I got a box of the Berserkers when they came out for my CSM (which I will surely someday paint) and they are wonderful for that.

 

I see my friends WE army on the other hand and I do admit its the poor cousin to his 30k WEs outside the Zerkers and Invokatus.

 

Its probably bias but I always imagined that more powerful or mutated World Eaters would have more decayed/worn metal and flayed-looking skin, you know things that look like a nightmare. 

 

Invokatus nailed that I think with the melded helm and armor. 

 

Eightbound are just kind of WE Wulfen crossed with Magic Mike tbh, a cool and nightmarish concept executed on in a weirdly sedate and child-friendly way (with an unasked for amount of armour shedding)... which is weird because EC just got released and those are beautifully horrifying to look at.

 

I suppose I had a bit of a Soulslike idea of the WEs before their actual range came out though. That sort of 'this armour is worn and broken down but still has a strange baroque finery to it but its worn by a monster twisted by its own madness' look.

 

The flesh weapons are also a bit lame tbh.

Edited Thursday at 02:49 PM by StrangerOrders

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

11 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/gsdzv0gh/chaos-ascends-with-new-units-and-codexes-for-khorne-tzeentch-and-nurgle/

New reveal (1 each) for TSons and WE with a Special Guest appearance from that DG Lord of Poxes who was shown in January:

TSons:

New Ossiarch Bonereapers confirmed.

 

Khorne Guy:

"Not the whole thing!"

Not the WHOLE flask!

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

11 hours ago, Norman Paperman said:

I think those TSons robots look cool as all hell. Seems like the inspiration is Anubis/Ra statues, and then the weaponry and armour panels/livery are similar to Rubrics/Scarabs. The bone paint scheme isn’t great, but I think these guys are going to look awesome on the table. 

They are skinny Eldar constructs at best. They are even painted in proper Wraithbone. You know what, Eldar players pirate this thing and include it in your armies. It´s a good alternative to a Wraithlord.  

[Shinespider]

Seeing the size of the TSons bots has totally thrown off my read of them. I thought they'd be almost dreadnaught-sized, but apparently they're basically just our Havocs?

 

I don't have any attachment to the "More rubrics!" idea, personally. I've generally been of the opinion that if you want to be the Thousand Sons Legion, you should play 30k. The Thousand Sons in 40k are not a Legion of Space Marines, they're a coven of ancient wizard-lords and their varied minions. I do not, in the abstract, have any objection to our heavy weapons capacity being covered by robots instead of rubrics with bigger guns.

 

All of that said... I think my biggest point of confusion is this: why are there only two of them? What kind of roughly terminator-sized model comes in a squad size of two? Did they just not have enough painted up to show off? Or is the actual box we buy only going to have two models in it?

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

11 hours ago, StrangerOrders said:

Eh, we have quite a few examples of the bubble head, including a literal man of iron. None match nearly as well.

 

Those seem to be a one for one with an Ironkyn processor from what is visible in shape, painting style and overall appearance. It seems deliberate.

Here you have Bubblehead from Reaper miniatures:

https://ibb.co/album/4PnKqr

[Indy Techwisp]

2 minutes ago, Shinespider said:

I don't have any attachment to the "More rubrics!" idea, personally. I've generally been of the opinion that if you want to be the Thousand Sons Legion, you should play 30k. The Thousand Sons in 40k are not a Legion of Space Marines, they're a coven of ancient wizard-lords and their varied minions. I do not, in the abstract, have any objection to our heavy weapons capacity being covered by robots instead of rubrics with bigger guns.

You are in a vanishingly small minority with that opinion.

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

9 hours ago, Antarius said:

Well, if your baseline expectation is top of the line FW Heresy models, I guess you're bound to be disappointed with new plastic 40K units. I mean, I can't (and won't) tell anyone to love them, but I think that's just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Why? The Leviathan box set included great minis. Does this mean we only should expect to get good deals with loss leaders at the start of an edition and forget the rest because it´s gonna be garbage anyway? In that case you should look for alternate companies.

[HeadlessCross]

4 hours ago, Malakithe said:

Here's to hoping the robots rules/points don't suck so TSons can have a real AT option

I mean they have Predators and Mutaliths. They're not lacking on anti-tank. The problem is those aren't taken because Cabal Points. 

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

1 hour ago, Jukkiz said:

i still cannot fathom the lore of eightbounds, ever.

If single daemon can rip you aprt or take you over within moments, why would letting 8 of them be anyway good idea?  And this new lord has A BLOODTHIRSTER in his body...

Writing team propably high of combat stims with WE lore lately

Primarisification of Chaos.

[Scribe]

Slept on it and I'm even more disappointed. 40K reboots again next year right? And we are being force fed these terrible rosters?

 

Despair. 

[ZeroWolf]

5 minutes ago, Scribe said:

Slept on it and I'm even more disappointed. 40K reboots again next year right? And we are being force fed these terrible rosters?

 

Despair. 

Not really a reboot as the rumours say at the moment its 10.5 like how 9th carried over from 8th. 12th might be the reboot you're after. (Unless your talking strictly miniatures then yes?)