10th Ed New Chaos Characters/Units

[Scribe]

2 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

Not really a reboot as the rumours say at the moment its 10.5 like how 9th carried over from 8th. 12th might be the reboot you're after. (Unless your talking strictly miniatures then yes?)

 

If it's just a continuation, that's even worse.

[Shinespider]

39 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

You are in a vanishingly small minority with that opinion.

 

That certainly *could* be the case, but I'm not sure where your confidence is coming from. 

Even most of the people on this forum are clamoring for Castellax, not Havoc Rubrics. And this is Bolter&Chainsword, a self-selected group if ever there was one. 

Edited Thursday at 03:39 PM by Shinespider

[DuskRaider]

2 hours ago, 1ncarnadine said:

Dang, the Thousand Sons bots are definitely off. This is exactly like comparing the Mechanicum Castellax vs the much goofier AdMech Kastelan bots. Like many here, I agree they should have taken more cues from the 30k Achea automata. The Sekhetar even share the mirror dome face with the Kastelan.

The funny part is if you look at the back of these goofy things, you can tell there was some inspiration from the Thallax / Ursurax, but the similarities end there. This new one is such a step backwards that it makes the Kastelan look dynamic. 

[TheMawr]

7 minutes ago, Shinespider said:

 

I don't have any attachment to the "More rubrics!" idea, personally. I've generally been of the opinion that if you want to be the Thousand Sons Legion, you should play 30k. The Thousand Sons in 40k are not a Legion of Space Marines, they're a coven of ancient wizard-lords and their varied minions. I do not, in the abstract, have any objection to our heavy weapons capacity being covered by robots instead of rubrics with bigger guns.

 

 

From my first introduction decades ago this was my interpretation as well ( not saying this in a because its an old vision its the correct vision way ;) its just my personal view before HH came and changed some elements of the setting. )

Thousand Sons no longer representing an abstract legion name, but 1000 ( likely 999 ) "surviving" sorcerers of said legion.. being very independent ( though covens ofcourse exist.) and each having different kind of chaff as their followers... some adhere to nostalgy and use rubric, primarily among them Ahriman, while others enlist CSM warbands, some have their Thrall wizards ( who never really took off did they ?) others could have entire hordes of cultists and mutants or even xenos enslaved to their will, and daring ones would summon an army of daemons to their cause. Now add some going for the direst of magics : science/technology.

As an "army" I envisioned several of those coming together for a shared cause in various mixed thematics... and that in my eyes was/is 40k Thousand Sons.

 

And (partly) because of that when it was announced that they would all be seperate, I felt it only really made sense for thousand sons, as, like the loyal spacemarine ones I expected others to be basically CSM with a reskin with only TS able to trascend that ( though I personally think so far they do a really decent job of not turning the other ones in a CSM army with a reskin either.)

 

Im not entirely sure these are (big) minority opinions though, but they are quieter opinions, wich I think has to do with a couple of things :

-- Negative opinions are echoed more, people who had these kind of views have less complaints about how GW is treating the chaos cult armies right now, because GW is doing exactly that.. diversify beyond the spacemarines.

-- The place where we are talking is the Bolter and Chainsword, a majority here are spacemarine fans of some color, and those that strongly dislike spacemarines dont stick around as much ( While I myself would never have an army full of just spacemarines, I do not dislike the concept in essence.. I just like them to be elites and leaders in my army. So the many spacemarine releases or talk dont trigger me subjectively.)

-- I dont mean this offensively, as I fall in the described category, just not because of the following reason : Spacemarine fans tend to be very detail focused, you see this in the discussions of certain bolts on armor marks, or proper tactical markings etc. often these kind of people ( wich includes me, as is obvious by this post ;)) are also very detail focused in communication and can be very very wordy. ( I might be among the worst.)

 

 

In a perfect world though, the cult armies should be able to support both sides of the coin, and CSM should be able to still be played as the army someone had. ( while for example all Deathguard are plaguemarine, not all Plaguemarines are deathguard. though its a subjective take maybe, moreso with the other 3.)

But I dont see any of the spacemarine focused fans desiring 60 spacemarine datasheets. Honestly, the way it sounds its more 2 or 3 more spacemarine units, some more spacemarine characters to cover basics and the rest on bespoke vehicles etc. And tzaangor, Jackhal, Poxwalker fans arent asking for a full codex of those either.

 

From my observation, I dont think its a case of "you cant make everyone happy" because I think with TS, WE, EC and DG they very definitely can ( except a couple of very grumpy ones.) with 4 very strong upgrade sprues and a 5-7 kit release for each of EC,WE and TS, as well as putting the original 4 units also back in CSM codex (natively, no weird and un necessary ally rules.) might actually be enough to achieve that with some other things able to remain on the slowburner. thats ofcourse not talking about rules, thats another beast altogether.

 

But I do think we will get there sooner rather than later.. but that might be naive.

 

Just my 2 cents with word-bloat inflation.

[Norman Paperman]

1 hour ago, Deus_Ex_Machina said:

They are skinny Eldar constructs at best. They are even painted in proper Wraithbone. You know what, Eldar players pirate this thing and include it in your armies. It´s a good alternative to a Wraithlord.  

I find the idea that they’re “skinny” a bit weird tbh. Yeah, they’re not a dreadnaught chassis, but they’re not skitarii either. I think they’re pretty clearly inspired by Egyptian god statues, which also explains the paint job. 
 

maybe it’s just how I read the photo, but they actually look like they’re quite a bit taller than Rubrics or Scarabs. In the group/battleforce pic they’re standing in front of a sorcerer on a disc and are clearly taller than that. That disc and warp flame adds quite a bit of height to a marine sized dude, so if these guys are taller they’re going to be decently big. These aren’t shrinking violets, they’re animated statues covered in guns and missiles. 
 

Nobody has to agree with me, but I think they’re great and will look awesome next to my other Thousand Sons marines and sorcs. 

Edited Thursday at 04:05 PM by Norman Paperman

[grailkeeper]

13 hours ago, StrangerOrders said:

 

Can we just acknowledge a guy being so angry he literally screams people back to life is the WE thing ever?

 

There was a British Officer named Alfred Wintle who once ordered one of his troops to "stop dying at once, and get a haircut".

 

The soldier lived to be 91.

 

https://www.history.co.uk/article/the-last-englishman-the-unbelievable-wartime-exploits-of-ad-wintle

[TheMawr]

10 minutes ago, Norman Paperman said:

I find the idea that they’re “skinny” a bit weird tbh. Yeah, they’re not a dreadnaught chassis, but they’re not skitarii either. I think they’re pretty clearly inspired by Egyptian god statues, which also explains the paint job. 
 

maybe it’s just how I read the photo, but they actually look like they’re quite a bit taller than Rubrics or Scarabs. In the group/battleforce pic they’re standing in front of a sorcerer on a disc and are clearly taller than that. That disc and warp flame adds quite a bit of height to a marine sized dude, so if these guys are taller they’re going to be decently big. These aren’t shrinking violets, they’re animated statues covered in guns and missiles. 
 

Nobody has to agree with me, but I think they’re great and will look awesome next to my other Thousand Sons marines and sorcs. 

 

They are veryy 40k Ushabti.
Made a quick draft going on that as I was already working on them in photoshop for recoloring ( doesnt quite work sadly.. the color and texture of the bone is very hard to process with my older photoshop and manual approach.)

 

 

GW, like Stargate before them, should maybe realise that its ok that a big cannon doesnt have to look like a big cannon when we are talking about a future 40,000 years from now where magic, warp shenanigans and exotic technology meet.

[SkimaskMohawk]

Chaos players in shambles after that Cathay reveal dropped more for them than thousand sons have gotten in 9 years lol.

 

Those bots iffy. Maybe it's the paintjob being completely disconnected from the faction. Maybe it's the design language being disconnected from chaos/marines. It's reminding me of centurion release vibes; a unit that's just bigger and out of place with the rest of the range.

[Jukkiz]

why does the new TS robots look more like AoS bonereapers then anything else?

[Rain]

28 minutes ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

Chaos players in shambles after that Cathay reveal dropped more for them than thousand sons have gotten in 9 years lol.

 

Those bots iffy. Maybe it's the paintjob being completely disconnected from the faction. Maybe it's the design language being disconnected from chaos/marines. It's reminding me of centurion release vibes; a unit that's just bigger and out of place with the rest of the range.

 

We are used to it. Being steeped in eternal bitterness at our real and perceived mistreatment relative to other factions, and pining for a long lost halcyon age when we strode as living gods upon the earth is very on brand for us. GW wants us to method-act our factions, and they do a great job with Chaos.

 

[sitnam]

2 hours ago, Shinespider said:

 

That certainly *could* be the case, but I'm not sure where your confidence is coming from. 

Even most of the people on this forum are clamoring for Castellax, not Havoc Rubrics. And this is Bolter&Chainsword, a self-selected group if ever there was one. 

I'm curious, would you call yourself a Tzeentch fan or a Thousand Sons fan? I am certainly the more of the former and I hold more your opinions. That might be why my Tzeentch army is an amalgamation of Daemons, Mortals, TS and CSM

[Norman Paperman]

51 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

They are veryy 40k Ushabti.
Made a quick draft going on that as I was already working on them in photoshop for recoloring ( doesnt quite work sadly.. the color and texture of the bone is very hard to process with my older photoshop and manual approach.)

 

GW, like Stargate before them, should maybe realise that its ok that a big cannon doesnt have to look like a big cannon when we are talking about a future 40,000 years from now where magic, warp shenanigans and exotic technology meet.

 

Well, err, perhaps the lore and setting of Hivestorm should be changed then? The entire Astra Militarum set of artillery and field gun kits? Why are Knights so big? Why are dreadnaughts such big targets when a small gun can use magic or lasers to do incredible damage? You're not wrong, but I feel like this argument is pretty runs almost entirely against the design philosophy of science fiction in general. Sometimes you'll have the "small thing make big boom" trope to make some sort of point, but in most scenarios you have the Death Star. The point isn't what the technology might be capable of, the point is to be readily understood by players and fans. 

 

I'd also point out that most of the complaints in this thread are that the models are too small. The poster I was responding to complained that they're too skinny, and now you're telling me that maybe they should scale down the gun size? Idk, I just think they look pretty sweet, fit in with the Thousand Sons Egyptian aesthetic, and that I'm probably going to replace the bone paint with cobalt when I do mine. They're 40k versions of Ushabti or Morghast? Okay, but we're in a hobby where people paint their space marines different colours and then use them as completely different armies with completely different rules and lore. And the best part of that is that we're all 100% bought in.

 

Again, nobody else has to like them, that's totally cool. But it seems like people are replying to me with arguments that are actually just points about taste. Taste is cool, that's why we have different armies, I'm just putting out my position as a Thousand Sons fan who thinks these models fit my taste. 

 

 

[Norman Paperman]

6 minutes ago, sitnam said:

I'm curious, would you call yourself a Tzeentch fan or a Thousand Sons fan? I am certainly the more of the former and I hold more your opinions. That might be why my Tzeentch army is an amalgamation of Daemons, Mortals, TS and CSM

Not the poster you replied to, but because I'm defending these bots I'll point out that I'm a fan of chaos daemons in general, and also think that Rubrics are the best looking marine in the entire setting. I'm pretty excited to buy some screamers to add to my army. 

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Shinespider said:

 

That certainly *could* be the case, but I'm not sure where your confidence is coming from. 

Even most of the people on this forum are clamoring for Castellax, not Havoc Rubrics. And this is Bolter&Chainsword, a self-selected group if ever there was one. 

They were clamoring for more units in general. What you interpreted as clamoring for Castellax was just enthusiasm for what everyone knew was supposed to be released. 

[Remain_Indoors]

Personally im going to withhold judgement until I’ve seen them painted differently. Much like Beasts of Chaos Minotaurs, I don’t think the paint scheme chosen has done the models any favours.

As a World Eaters player, I wasn’t expecting anything besides a character. A super-Eightbound wouldn’t have been my first choice though when there’s far richer veins of lore to mine. I’d have preferred a Berserker surgeon, or a more general Lord on foot.

[01RTB01]

13 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Giant robots are an easy kitbash in this hobby though. I'd be more concerned about rules. 

Considering rules come and go yet new minis are few and far between. I'd strongly disagree with this. The minis are the things that last. There's reasons I'm still using 80s orks...

[Ahzek451]

Saw this floating around. Looks better. 

[Aarik]

@TheMawr Those look SOOOOOO much better in my eyes.  I had been thinking that part of my problem with the original models was the main gun being shoulder mounted like a Helbrute or Ballistus rather than being essentially a forearm like on a Contemptor, for example.  It makes them look derpy to me and unbalances the silhouette, especially when the other gun option is forearm mounted.  Swapping out the shoulder gun with a staff brings out so much more of the statuesque vibe.

[sitnam]

16 minutes ago, Ahzek451 said:

Saw this floating around. Looks better. 

Oh I might be back in now. That looks way better

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Seeing a lot of people hating on the TS robots, and I like them. Don’t love them, but they convey the ancient Egyptian vibe the TS have pretty well.

[TheMawr]

20 minutes ago, Norman Paperman said:

Well, err, perhaps the lore and setting of Hivestorm should be changed then? The entire Astra Militarum set of artillery and field gun kits? Why are Knights so big? Why are dreadnaughts such big targets when a small gun can use magic or lasers to do incredible damage? You're not wrong, but I feel like this argument is pretty runs almost entirely against the design philosophy of science fiction in general. Sometimes you'll have the "small thing make big boom" trope to make some sort of point, but in most scenarios you have the Death Star. The point isn't what the technology might be capable of, the point is to be readily understood by players and fans. 

 

I'd also point out that most of the complaints in this thread are that the models are too small. The poster I was responding to complained that they're too skinny, and now you're telling me that maybe they should scale down the gun size? Idk, I just think they look pretty sweet, fit in with the Thousand Sons Egyptian aesthetic, and that I'm probably going to replace the bone paint with cobalt when I do mine. They're 40k versions of Ushabti or Morghast? Okay, but we're in a hobby where people paint their space marines different colours and then use them as completely different armies with completely different rules and lore. And the best part of that is that we're all 100% bought in.

 

Again, nobody else has to like them, that's totally cool. But it seems like people are replying to me with arguments that are actually just points about taste. Taste is cool, that's why we have different armies, I'm just putting out my position as a Thousand Sons fan who thinks these models fit my taste. 

 

 

 

Huh ?

I fear you are misunderstanding the context of my post.. Im one of the not so few people who actually really likes the robots (said so here very shortly after the preview.)... just not the paintjob wich is almost objectively bad.

Me saying they are like Ushabti was in defence of them and responding to someone saying they look like god statues, because thats the vibe I think they indeed intended to convey, and wich they imho succeeded in very well... just like Ushabti ( note : they are among my favorite old WFB things )

 

I then went on as I had the file open for (failed) recoloring to see what they looked like if the cannon is replaced with a halberd to convey the statue/Ushabti feeling more.

Though I did indeed went on to say things without completely speaking why it hit my mind.. so to go there step by step if interested ( in spoilers to clear the wall of text ) :

 

Spoiler

As I made the Halberd adjustments I realised I really liked that look actually, alot, to the point that from just liking the robots they are on my maybe-to-purcase list to do just that.

- I then thought "yeah, but, they arent artillery pieces without a big gun"

- I then realised that, its really silly, because a staff or halberd can also be a big gun where magic etc is involved... ofcourse not every big gun HAS to be a staff or halberd

- Because stargate.. and Avengers too actually, show a staff can in all intends and purposes indeed be a big gun

- I then realised that, GW doesnt really do this ( but now while typing.. maybe they do in Necron actually ? I dont know anything about Necron rules.. but they are no psykers.. could be some of their staffs/halberds are "big guns"

And that last part is the only part I typed, its confusing I know ( and dont get me wrong, Im not being sarcastic or condecending here as I dont do that, but on the internet people quickly think so, I am aware I can make confusing mind jumps in conversations )

 

 

Dont worry too much about liking what others dont though ( and as I pointed out before in my large rant, its probably also not as black and white as you think.). 

Spoiler

I like jackhals, Eightbound, Tzaangor, wolfier spacewolves preferably riding wolves, I like Ynnari (wich often is a sin on eldar specific places, less so here ), I like daughters of khaine, For eldar (cyber) punk hair > tolkien hair, I think the best lumineth models are the kangaroo riders, cat-deer-horse thing, Cow statue and fox spirit, Beastsnaggas are my favorite orks, I think votann are better squats than the necromunda ones, though they are lacking some ancestral elements, I think Vyrkos are more interesting than the other vampires, Vostroyans are the best guard regiment, I like GWs modern take on trolls, eyes in a nose are fine, I prefer tanks without tracks ( hovering>legs>wheels ), and prefer my chaos as corrupted and/or inhuman as possible, I dont believe less is more and I dont like my baseline to look like baseline.. and this isnt even all.

 

I cant go a day without someone somewhere wishing the extinction of something I really like, but I also realise that they react strongly because something they rightfully (and sometimes wrongfully) want isnt being provided.

 

[Urauloth]

3 hours ago, grailkeeper said:

There was a British Officer named Alfred Wintle who once ordered one of his troops to "stop dying at once, and get a haircut".

 

The soldier lived to be 91.

95 I'm pretty sure! He was a Dragoon by the name of Cedric Mayes, my great-grandfather was at the Somme with him. Said he was too scared to die after Wintle yelled at him. Wintle's definitely a guy to read up on: at one point he was locked up in the Tower of London for trying to steal a plane so he could keep fighting in France.

 

On topic, though, I think the mechs are... fine? I'd need to see one in person.

 

I want the Lord of Poxes, I'm disappointed (but not surprised) that he's gated behind a battleforce box for the forseeable future. Also nervous about the new DG codex. We still have classic cultists with firearms and grenade launchers right now (which Ash Waste Nomads and Cawdow gangers are a perfect basis for) and I can see us losing cults altogether or getting the default pistol mob on the basis that it's the only thing the sell models of now. Since we don't have access to Militarum Traitoris, that switch would make a lot of conversions useless.

[Norman Paperman]

30 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

Huh ?

I fear you are misunderstanding the context of my post.. Im one of the not so few people who actually really likes the robots (said so here very shortly after the preview.)... just not the paintjob wich is almost objectively bad.

Me saying they are like Ushabti was in defence of them and responding to someone saying they look like god statues, because thats the vibe I think they indeed intended to convey, and wich they imho succeeded in very well... just like Ushabti ( note : they are among my favorite old WFB things )

 

I then went on as I had the file open for (failed) recoloring to see what they looked like if the cannon is replaced with a halberd to convey the statue/Ushabti feeling more.

Though I did indeed went on to say things without completely speaking why it hit my mind.. so to go there step by step if interested ( in spoilers to clear the wall of text ) :

 

  Reveal hidden contents

As I made the Halberd adjustments I realised I really liked that look actually, alot, to the point that from just liking the robots they are on my maybe-to-purcase list to do just that.

- I then thought "yeah, but, they arent artillery pieces without a big gun"

- I then realised that, its really silly, because a staff or halberd can also be a big gun where magic etc is involved... ofcourse not every big gun HAS to be a staff or halberd

- Because stargate.. and Avengers too actually, show a staff can in all intends and purposes indeed be a big gun

- I then realised that, GW doesnt really do this ( but now while typing.. maybe they do in Necron actually ? I dont know anything about Necron rules.. but they are no psykers.. could be some of their staffs/halberds are "big guns"

And that last part is the only part I typed, its confusing I know ( and dont get me wrong, Im not being sarcastic or condecending here as I dont do that, but on the internet people quickly think so, I am aware I can make confusing mind jumps in conversations )

 

 

Dont worry too much about liking what others dont though ( and as I pointed out before in my large rant, its probably also not as black and white as you think.). 

  Reveal hidden contents

I like jackhals, Eightbound, Tzaangor, wolfier spacewolves preferably riding wolves, I like Ynnari (wich often is a sin on eldar specific places, less so here ), I like daughters of khaine, For eldar (cyber) punk hair > tolkien hair, I think the best lumineth models are the kangaroo riders, cat-deer-horse thing, Cow statue and fox spirit, Beastsnaggas are my favorite orks, I think votann are better squats than the necromunda ones, though they are lacking some ancestral elements, I think Vyrkos are more interesting than the other vampires, Vostroyans are the best guard regiment, I like GWs modern take on trolls, eyes in a nose are fine, I prefer tanks without tracks ( hovering>legs>wheels ), and prefer my chaos as corrupted and/or inhuman as possible, I dont believe less is more and I dont like my baseline to look like baseline.. and this isnt even all.

 

I cant go a day without someone somewhere wishing the extinction of something I really like, but I also realise that they react strongly because something they rightfully (and sometimes wrongfully) want isnt being provided.

 

Ah, gotcha, you're correct that I misunderstood you. I'm not worried about liking what people don't like, I just really like to argue about stuff lol! 

[Captain Idaho]

Not a fan of those 40K Thousand Sons robots... they just look so far out of step with 40K human armies and too much like an Destiny/Fortnite/some other video game rip off I just can't get behind them.

 

Makka from Outer Circle's reaction was hilarious. I can't share here on a family friendly forum but I urge others to watch it as it's funny for it's direct and rawness!

[Indy Techwisp]

1 hour ago, Ahzek451 said:

Saw this floating around. Looks better. 

 

That looks so much better tbh.
Do you know if there's one for the other robot with the Scarab hat?

 

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Seeing a lot of people hating on the TS robots, and I like them. Don’t love them, but they convey the ancient Egyptian vibe the TS have pretty well.

 

Technically TSons are supposed to have Gnostic imagery, not specifically Egyptian.

Edited Thursday at 08:06 PM by Indy Techwisp