Space Wolves refresh

[Commissar Greif]

Pleasantly surprised that the new Blood Claws and Grey Hunters ended up being an actual new kit. A bit miffed there's not as much fur, but still, they look pretty damn good. I think I might end up starting a Wolves army now.

[Chapter Master Valrak]

I am actually happy the Blood Claws and Grey Hunters got way more! 

Still so much more to show off with the range, the terminator stuff will blow people away! 

[Mmmmm Napalm]

I appreciate the breastplate variation and mk. VI and VII helms. Regarding the blood claws specifically, I appreciate the smaller gorgets and lack of flared bits on the poleyns. I wish those variations had been present in vanilla primaris units released in the past (the jump pack intercessors have *slightly* smaller gorgets, but not by much).

 

We're slowly, steadily making progress regarding the levels of variation permitted among primaris units. 

 

You have that initial few years of identical models within a given squad, with any variation being sparse (a couple unique pauldrons in the intercessor kit, unique heads included in the various chapter upgrades) but otherwise every intercessor has one set of tubes on the helm whereas every hellblaster has two, and every assault intercessor has the concave tassets (with the convex tassets that the Dark Imperium models had being largely absent until the standalone multipart lieutenant from a couple years ago), the bladeguard are all identical save the purity seal placement and the skull on the sgt helm, etc etc

 

then the BT range featured varying helms and such among the different models in the crusader squad, and the sword brethren had even more variation. Maxime Corbeil, you have my undying gratitude.

 

Then with Leviathan's sternguard, and later their multipart counterpart, we finally see significant amounts of variation within a chapter agnostic primaris kit.

 

And now we have these two kits. I'm quite pleased that the blood claws and grey hunters don't seem to have all that much chapter specific detail; the cuirass icons should be reasonably easy to cut away and file down. With those gone, and the addition of some tassets and chained weapon arms, they'll make perfect BT initiates.

 

something else I appreciate is the grey hunters having bolt carbines, aka classic length bolters (unfortunately they mostly seem to be one handed, with only a couple holding the bolter with both hands). I've always hated the unnecessary increase in bolter size that came with primaris, not to mention the stupid rotary bit thing they insist incorporating into every single weapon sans the pistols and the carbines. If I were to start a non-BT marine army for 40k, i'd use the carbines from this grey hunters kit, instead of the rifles from the intercessors kit.

 

Spoiler

 

Edited Thursday at 05:06 AM by Mmmmm Napalm

[TheNicronomicon]

31 minutes ago, ThaneOfTas said:

Honestly you might as well, a bit of extra salt in this wound won't make any difference, and there really is absolutely no argument that the Wolves did incredibly out of this. The Black Templars are also excellent and the Dark Angels were at worst decent, but wow. These are just exactly want I would have wanted, but with blood angels details instead of viking ones.

man, this is EXACTLY what I was hoping for, pretty much. I cannot WAIT. (I have to wait, my budget is boned lolsob)

[TheNicronomicon]

What's the usual delta between preview and release? EC were like...8 weeks apart?

[Wolf Guard Dan]

34 minutes ago, Moonstalker said:

From peering at the datasheets visible in the army box pic, a few interesting notes:

 

All units have move 7

Grey Hunters are OC3

Grey Hunters get a Bolt Carbine with AP0 and Rapid Fire 1(?).

I spent some time squinting at that and couldn't tell. They said 3 shots on the stream. But it could be 2 shots Rapid Fire 1.

On the stream did they say grey hunters or blood claws were reroll 1's to wound/ reroll all wound on objective? The grey hunter data sheet looks like it has that but I thought they said the blood claws had that on the stream.

 

Movement 7 will be interesting. Does this mean movement 6 terminators? I could get down with that.

[Tokugawa]

37 minutes ago, Moonstalker said:

From peering at the datasheets visible in the army box pic, a few interesting notes:

 

All units have move 7

Grey Hunters are OC3

Grey Hunters get a Bolt Carbine with AP0 and Rapid Fire 1(?).

Both have unit size 10?

[TheMawr]

 

With this head this guy is so great ( edit isnt perfect.) In general.. the heads here are really really good, Im happy for the fans they arent busy, but the heads and some of the more busy models are quite tempting.

Maybe I should make a kill team out of it.

 

Q&A was short for Questions & Avoiding answers wasnt it ?

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

1 minute ago, Tokugawa said:

Both have unit size 10?

 

Well, Blood Claws SHOULD have 15, but they probably won't.

 

(Hey, I found something for Wolves players to actually complain about).

[Moonstalker]

4 minutes ago, Lord Nord in Gravis Armour said:

 

Well, Blood Claws SHOULD have 15, but they probably won't.

 

(Hey, I found something for Wolves players to actually complain about).

 

The current panic seems to be going from 35 datasheets down to 20.

 

I guess I'm back to playing Space Wolves, now.  Just hit order on the paints I'm gonna need for some blue-grey armor.  I'm not that sad.  Painting white is a pain in the ass.

Edited Thursday at 04:43 AM by Moonstalker

[Wolf Guard Dan]

5 minutes ago, Lord Nord in Gravis Armour said:

 

Well, Blood Claws SHOULD have 15, but they probably won't.

 

(Hey, I found something for Wolves players to actually complain about).

Let me use my keen senses. Can't tell for certain but grey hunters looks like 10. 1 pack leader and a single digit amount of grey hunters. So probably 1+9,

Blood claws look like 1 pack leader and 9-XX (a double digit number). I expect it's 1 + 9-14. Edit: could be 9-19 Blood claws

Edited Thursday at 04:44 AM by Wolf Guard Dan

[Lemondish]

13 minutes ago, Wolf Guard Dan said:

On the stream did they say grey hunters or blood claws were reroll 1's to wound/ reroll all wound on objective? The grey hunter data sheet looks like it has that but I thought they said the blood claws had that on the stream.

Yeah, the stream mentioned it in relation to Blood Claws, but the picture does look like it's for Grey Hunters.

[ThaneOfTas]

9 minutes ago, Moonstalker said:

The current panic seems to be going from 35 datasheets down to 20.

OOF, That'll be brutal. I Imagine that the Dreads are gone, same with the devestator equivalents. What else probably wont make the cut? 

[Tokugawa]

5 minutes ago, ThaneOfTas said:

OOF, That'll be brutal. I Imagine that the Dreads are gone, same with the devestator equivalents. What else probably wont make the cut? 

These old resin characters which GW haven't prepared their new models.

[WrathOfTheLion]

4 minutes ago, ThaneOfTas said:

OOF, That'll be brutal. I Imagine that the Dreads are gone, same with the devestator equivalents. What else probably wont make the cut? 

Some characters likely, Lukas, maybe Krom, Harald Deathwolf (if he gets no new model), maybe separate Fenrisian wolves, one of Logan Grimnar's datasheets if he still has two, etc.

[Lemondish]

6 minutes ago, ThaneOfTas said:

OOF, That'll be brutal. I Imagine that the Dreads are gone, same with the devestator equivalents. What else probably wont make the cut? 

 

There's 20 characters in today's Index alone. I imagine that's going to get slimmer.

[Wispy]

22 minutes ago, Moonstalker said:

 

The current panic seems to be going from 35 datasheets down to 20.

There's so many sheets that can be consolidated, though. I just went through the exercise got it down with 20 and there's ways to keep all the iconic faves quite comfortably. For example, you could consolidate the 4 Thunderwolf riding characters with one "HQ on Thunderwolf" sheet for example. I say with the confidence that Thunderwolves are still in the codex, albeit down to 2 datasheets from 5.

Edited Thursday at 05:06 AM by Wispy

[StrangerOrders]

I'd put money on Thunder wolves, normal wolves and most of the X-Claw units getting axed. Most of the finecast is going to bite the dust as well.

 

Wouldn't be shocked if the only named Chars left standing are Ragnar and whoever they have left to announce (Logan, Arjac and Njall if Valrak's previous rumours hold).

 

Always the hope that most will comeback as our drip feed releases in future editions.

[Lemondish]

6 minutes ago, Wispy said:

There's so many sheets that can be consolidated, though. I just went through the exercise got it down with 20 and there's ways to keep all the iconic faves quite comfortably. For example, you could consolidate the 4 Thunderwolf riding characters with one "HQ on Thunderwolf" sheet for example. I say with the confidence that Thunderwolves are still in the codex, albeit down to 2 datasheets from 5.

That's before considering that they have a ton of design space still available by just getting rid of generic HQ on wolf and designing instead a purpose-built new leader to take their place.

 

Plus, if all goes well, we would be happy looking at 19 other data sheets plus Russ himself.

Edited Thursday at 05:11 AM by Lemondish

[Marshal Loss]

Always disliked the bare heads en masse aesthetic thing the Space Wolves have going on but other than that, these look very good & uncluttered/rewarding to paint. The Wolf Priest is fantastic. 

[TheMawr]

 

Combined with rumors, red ones likely go.. Yellow are possibilities. ( Hounds of Morkai is there because the rumor sounds as if the new wolf scouts, probably with a different name.. take both their sceptres.)

 

13 in above guess as remaining/directly replaced, + 2 new ones in the Wolf guard battle leader and Wolf priest just shown. ( wolf guard headtakers probably replacing wolfguard I left in there.) leaves 5  yellow ones as possibility. Though of those the wolf guard battle leader in terminator armor doesnt have a miniature I just realise.

 

just a quick guess

[Wolf Guard Dan]

I really hope we keep Bjorn in the codex but there’s a good chance he doesn’t make the trip to Armageddon. Hope they don’t kill him offscreen and we get a model down the line.

 

A brutalis/ Wulfen dread would be the easiest thing to put in the codex. Edit; then again maybe not. The data sheet on those two is similar already 

Edited Thursday at 05:25 AM by Wolf Guard Dan

[ArielRSA]

Very nice updates! It looks like there’s a terminator on the normal codex cover (from the announcement video)

[Lupercals chosen]

For me personally, take the grey wolf carbines and stick them on the blood claws' bodies, and it's very close to the classic SM look I grew up with and adored. Apologies if I've missed the rumours, but I wonder if this is a nod to what we might expect to see in a future vanilla SM intercessor squad update? With the extra armour gubbins being added to those longer serving marines a la grey hunters? Personally I've always disliked the longer boltguns and extra armour bits on the knee pads and exhaust vents, so this Space Wolf update might finally get me back on board. One of my first purchases as a young boy was the 2nd edition grey wolves box - to see them redone in this way makes my heart sing. It's a yes from me...

[lonewolf81]

It would be great if that wolfpriest could join wulfen squads like the 13th co lore