Space Wolves refresh

[Bryan Blaire]

23 minutes ago, SvenIronhand said:

They don’t care.

Yeah, but CGL does!  It’s really nice of GW to be so kind to BattleTech and other alternate games by producing these last two (terrible) editions of 40K rules.

Edited 18 hours ago by Bryan Blaire

[Lemondish]

1 hour ago, Karhedron said:

 

I have to disagree here. It is very much GW's problem for creating a two-tier system of army units and the adopting a slopy-shoulder approach to the problem. It is not a community problem for prefer to stick with strictly tournament-legal units. Anyone who remembers the horrors of overpowered FW models in previous editions will understand this. GW have created a situation where anything not in a codex might as well not exist. It does not matter that most Legends units are not that powerful. Too many people in the community have been burned in the past and automatically assume anyone wanting to use a Legends unit is a dirty WAAC power gamer. It may not be fair but for a long period of time it was generally true.

I get where you're coming from. The legacy of overpowered Forge World units and Flyers left a real mark. But I do think this is more of a community issue now than a Games Workshop one. GW has been clear that Legends units are legal in matched play unless a specific event says otherwise. The idea that they "might as well not exist" seems to come more from community attitudes than actual rules. It’s understandable that people are wary, but assuming anyone bringing a Legends unit is trying to game the system doesn't seem fair, especially now, when most of them are far from competitive. If the goal is to let people enjoy their models while keeping tournament play balanced, maybe we need to meet each other halfway rather than gatekeep by default. GW has given us the tools to do it - so my question is, why aren't we using them?

Edited 19 hours ago by Lemondish

[Indy Techwisp]

I wish I'd see Space Wolf players stop complaining after they absolutely hit the Jackpot of Marine waves in 10th Ed.

[Evil Eye]

I'll accept the demise of the flyers (ugly ducks that they were) if it means Bjorn and his Castraferrum boxmates get to live another day.

[Bryan Blaire]

44 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

I wish I'd see Space Wolf players stop complaining after they absolutely hit the Jackpot of Marine waves in 10th Ed.

“The jackpot” just shows how bad the editions turning over really have been IMO. But thinking that 40K players of any stripe are ever going to stop complaining on the Internet is super funny - thank you for pulling me out of my GW disappointment-funk. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Bryan Blaire

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, Nephaston said:

Probably yeah, but it might also be something for the usual monday reveal out of left field. Though of course no telling for which system.

Based on this quote from the community site:

 

"...including a surprise announcement none of you have seen coming."

 

This is clearly sarcasm about the heresy box. I've no doubt we'll something new tomorrow but that'll be about it.

[Dark Shepherd]

Looking at the sheets/reddit

 

TWC get lance on charge

 

Theres a Wulfen detachment where Murderfang buffs nearby units.

 

Njal has living lightning as his spell

 

Ragnar and Logan still have weirdly weak shooting

 

Headtakers can be 3-6 with 3-6 wolves (expect FAQ on numbers combo)

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Dark Shepherd

[Tokugawa]

From reddit:

"Björn 2+, 5++, 5+++ -1 to wound if strength higher than his toughness Generates 1 CP

Bloodlclaws and Grey Hunters as leaked. Bloodclaws have no power fist though.

TWC Base Damage 2 and looks like they get +1 Damage on charge

WGT have -1 to wound and damage 2 Power weapons.

Fen wolves and Wulfen get +1 OC if they are 6“ from a Character

Ragnar gives re rolling wounds to Bc and aac to Wolf guard Headtakers

Dreads have blood surge, and oc 3 when near a char or 12 of a wolf priest

Njal gives his unit assault and auto advance 6 as well as -6” range to a unit he shot at

EDIT: Logan's Ability is:
1.    ⁠Vect Aura like Bjorn had
2.    ⁠Once per game u can pick a unit from strategic reserves and this unit is treated as if it is in reserves for 1 turn longer

Ulric gives his unit +1 to hit. If the enemy unit is a monster/vehicle/character unit they also gain +1 to wound. Once his unit kills one of the above unit types, his unit will get the benefit of a saga as if it was completed. His Crozius also has anti monster anti vehicle 4+ now.

Wolf Guard Battle Leader:

he has sus1, gives a reroll 1 to hit aura, he himself fights on death and has 2 weapon options

Murderfang grants wulfen in 6" fight on death in melee on a 4+ and gets reroll advance and charge rolls.

No more Fight on Death inbuilt for Wulfen but they can gain OC from characters in 6” "

[DemonGSides]

Poor Libby dread. Dead because we got the C-Roster for the miniatures team. Thankfully we got the A roster rules team. Small victories. 

 

Can't all be A-team winners like the wolves. What a great codex and even better models.  Happy they'll be fun to play for the Vikings among us. 

Edited 15 hours ago by DemonGSides

[Tokugawa]

Wulfen split into two units:

[Lemondish]

Consistent with the codex leak, so that makes sense.

[INKS]

Every new army release I get tempted. lol

The models do look great. Dreads really need a work over. maybe next edition

[HeadlessCross]

9 hours ago, Wispy said:

 

GW has too many datasheets to effectively and realistically support. That's the reality, accept it or deny it.

Okay, so what's the actual number of what's too many datasheets to support?

[Lionsbane]

Wulfen being two different datasheets is absurd. GW just needs to put back in costs for wargear, at least for some of it.

[Ming the Merciless]

7 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

Based on this quote from the community site:

 

"...including a surprise announcement none of you have seen coming."

 

This is clearly sarcasm about the heresy box. I've no doubt we'll something new tomorrow but that'll be about it.

 

 

My first thought was Raven Guard

[Kill! Main! Burn!]

13 minutes ago, Lionsbane said:

Wulfen being two different datasheets is absurd. GW just needs to put back in costs for wargear, at least for some of it.

That really is one of the worst changes gw has made.  I liked it a lot more when there was a lot more diversity in wargear options and you weren't just limited by what is in the box.

[01RTB01]

24 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Okay, so what's the actual number of what's too many datasheets to support?

With respect, that's a ridiculous question.

 

None of us know the size of team working on rules. We also do know that 11th Ed is already written based on lead times.

 

However, it is totally fair to say that 40k is crazy big which is why a chunk of stuff gets sent to legends as there is too much to support.

 

I'm sure you'd like to offer a number but without knowing GW's inner workings, it's a pointless exercise.

 

All that said, I'm super chuffed for the wolves players as they've waited a long time for a decent refresh. 

[Lemondish]

33 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Okay, so what's the actual number of what's too many datasheets to support?

I imagine that changes for every release. That’s a fair question, but I think focusing on a specific number risks missing the broader point. GW has to manage a huge and expanding game, not just in terms of rules, but also physical inventory and production. They can’t keep every unit in stock or balanced for competitive play indefinitely.

 

Legends is their way of saying, “We know people still have these models and want to use them, so here’s a way to keep them playable without promising the pinnacle of tournament-level support even though we might not sell this any longer.” The real issue is that parts of the community treat anything not in a current codex as if it doesn’t exist, even when you still own the model and it’s still legal to play. That’s where the disconnect is happening.

 

Rest assured - you will still see these flyers on the table exactly as often as you do now.

Edited 9 hours ago by Lemondish

[Borbarad]

9 hours ago, Wispy said:

 

GW has too many datasheets to effectively and realistically support.

GW aint even able to properly balance the few dataseehts in a codex; so a few extra won’t make a difference 

 

Joking aside, I do still use some legends rules - chiefly the HH units for 40k. Unfortunately with the recent releases the rulessets already diverged too much for my liking. Non of the WE affiliated units will get the BS 4+ and rapidfire on their datashert for instance. 
 

 

 

[Beef]

Do we have a price on the army box yet?

[Commissar Greif]

12 hours ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Speaking of...any sign of sn upgrade sprue?

Not yet, but IIRC the Dark Angels and Blood Angels were both revealed some time after the initial army box was released.

9 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

I'll accept the demise of the flyers (ugly ducks that they were) if it means Bjorn and his Castraferrum boxmates get to live another day.

 

Same here. Sucks to see them go, but at least we've got Bjorn still. Word is we should be getting Wolf Scouts as a kill team in the near future, too.

[Borbarad]

39 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Okay, so what's the actual number of what's too many datasheets to support?

The answer is noting short of schizophrenic; seeing how GW has no issues providing divergent marines chapters with a ton of units, while cutting down other factions such as the chaos legions 

[Alby the Slayer]

Gladly I only want the grey hunters and the blood claws and some characters so I will wait.

 

Unironically, Fraters and Sorors, good luck with the scalpers and all the craziness FOMO that inevitably will be unleash with this preorder.

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, Commissar Greif said:

Not yet, but IIRC the Dark Angels and Blood Angels were both revealed some time after the initial army box was released.

 

Same here. Sucks to see them go, but at least we've got Bjorn still. Word is we should be getting Wolf Scouts as a kill team in the near future, too.

 

Considering the BA army box contained 4x of the upgrade sprue, it was not revealed after. It was sold separately after for sure, but it actually is starting to look like maybe the SW aren't getting an upgrade sprue on release.

 

Considering how many full unit boxes they have, probably fine overall as they will contain some extra bits. Worrisome for helmet prefer-ers though.

[Wispy]

 

10 hours ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Headtakers can be 3-6 with 3-6 wolves (expect FAQ on numbers combo)

Bummer, was hoping the Blade Guard bodyguards I kitbashed for Ragnar would just be snap of my fingers to become Headtakers. Will need to scare up some hunting wolves for them... Does every Headtaker need a wolf, I wonder? Like, could i have one Headtaker squad with 6 Marines and 3 Wolves? 

 

Also have a 5 Intercessors and 5 Assault Intercessors that I need to figure out how to turn into Grey Hunters... Bloodclaws are 10-20 and Greyhunters are 10, gotta figure out what I'm doing there. None of this Intercessor :cuss:, eff the Codex!

Edited 6 hours ago by Wispy