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[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Has anyone here mentioned the strat that mentions it doesn’t effect any space wolves <monster> units?

 

vlarak has speculated this hints at leman Russ’ return.

[Commissar Greif]

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Has anyone here mentioned the strat that mentions it doesn’t effect any space wolves <monster> units?

 

vlarak has speculated this hints at leman Russ’ return.

I believe it was mentioned earlier in the thread, just a page or two ago.

[Wispy]

9 hours ago, blue_raptor55 said:

 

Gotcha! Is it open to all marines in the company or is it only pack leaders/wolf guard that are given the right to do so? Couldn't tell based on their wiki page https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Bran_Redmaw

 

It's not a hard and fast rule but I believe it's a the Pack leader and Wolf Guard thing. Forgeworld did an Imperial Armour book with them awhile back.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Wispy

[TopToffee]

12 hours ago, Dorn of War said:

 

It's an interesting bit of wording to pick up on. However, I still think that the book Ashes of Prospero (2018) literally tells us which Primarchs are going to be released initially - which would mean that Khan and Corax are the next loyalist Primarchs to return. 

I just can’t see any way that they bring back two Primarchs from chapters/legions that (comparatively) no one plays, before they bring back Russ.

 

it would border on breaking their fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders.

[Gundric]

6 hours ago, INKS said:

I don't know how crusade works, but you can't take named characters? And the new codex doesn't have any generic terminator captain or HQ? Or a generic priest? - I haven't looked at the leaks much

You can take named characters, but they never level, gain experience or equip relics, so there is little point in doing so. Crusade is all about growing an army of 'your dudes' through triumphs and tribulations, named characters aren't really part  of the spirit of that. This new codex seriously reduces the options for a crusade player.

[DemonGSides]

I'm wondering if C:SM2 will update how the various chapter keywords are applied; maybe in C:SM2 you apply a chapter keyword during a Space Marines army construction and all this wailing and gnashing of fangs will be moot because yes, your terminator librarian will be a Space Wolves keyworded unit and can at least have the rules apply to them.

 

Doesn't solve the current issue with Leader attachments, but hey, we can't apply a Sanguinary Priest to Bladeguard where he would be awesome either so it's not a new thing to be disappointed with that.   GW is mostly just stupid and I think people should be more open to house rules. 

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[Lionsbane]

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can't apply a Sanguinary Priest to Bladeguard

Because he doesn't have a Storm Shield. No I don't know why some characters care and others do not. Again it is stupid arbitrary nonsense. But he can join a unit with a captain, lt or chapter master, even if it is named... 

And your Death Company units still have options... They keep peeling them off SW. 

[Alternis]

13 hours ago, Dorn of War said:

 

Other than the fact that the Primarchs mentioned are the ones that were then released... 

it has long been my belief and speculation GW will be focusing on bringing back the divergent Primarch’s first before we see any of the codex compliant Primarchs, same principle as CSM. 
 

so going by everything we’ve seen so far, Russ should be next to round off this release, then my money is on Dorn & Sanguinius. 
 

I’ve theorised that this seed of the tree of life Russ is after, which he intends to use to resurrect the emperor, Big E’s master plan might actually have him use that on Papa Sang instead, who knows! 
But Russ indeed does sound like his return is imminent, especially since the 13th great company who went into the eye of Terra with him have all started coming back now.

Edited 2 hours ago by Alternis

[Karhedron]

9 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

nah, they’re a definite upgrade. And should be more. Maybe not 30 points more. But definitely more.

 

Intercessors get 4A AP-1 in shooting and 3A AP0 in melee. Grey Hunters get 2-3A AP0 shooting and 4A AP-1 in melee. They have pretty much swapped their melee and shooting attacks so I would not say Hunters are an upgrade to Intercessors. Intercessors also get both Assault and Heavy on their guns which is a better combo than RF1.

[Lionsbane]

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Intercessors get 4A AP-1 in shooting and 3A AP0 in melee. Grey Hunters get 2-3A AP0 shooting and 4A AP-1 in melee. They have pretty much swapped their melee and shooting attacks so I would not say Hunters are an upgrade to Intercessors. Intercessors also get both Assault and Heavy on their guns which is a better combo than RF1.

Honestly I think Intercessors are much better for the simple reason you can get 5 of them instead of min size 10. GH and BC units need to be cheap (as BC already are) because you rarely ever want units of 10, much less 20. Can you imagine trying to find a spot 20 Blood Claws will not get obliterated turn one if that is what your opponent decides to shoot? 

[Blindhamster]

7 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

Intercessors get 4A AP-1 in shooting and 3A AP0 in melee. Grey Hunters get 2-3A AP0 shooting and 4A AP-1 in melee. They have pretty much swapped their melee and shooting attacks so I would not say Hunters are an upgrade to Intercessors. Intercessors also get both Assault and Heavy on their guns which is a better combo than RF1.

they also get OC3c which is a bigger deal than you seem willing to make. Not many things in the game will hold objectives against them. And they’re movement 7, which is also a definite buff.

 

they absolutely should cost more points than intercessors. Not 30 more though. I think they should be 170, or thereabouts as they basically are best of both worlds of intercessors and assault intercessors

[Mogger351]

3 minutes ago, Lionsbane said:

Honestly I think Intercessors are much better for the simple reason you can get 5 of them instead of min size 10. GH and BC units need to be cheap (as BC already are) because you rarely ever want units of 10, much less 20. Can you imagine trying to find a spot 20 Blood Claws will not get obliterated turn one if that is what your opponent decides to shoot? 

I'm sorry, are you aware of how much of the game can field large units? How this isn't a new thing? 20 t4 3+ wounds for 135pts is almost a record low for this sort of unit.

 

I play with and against wolves (occasionally in doubles) and I'm sorry but half the stuff that people complain about is just... bizarre.

[Ehfull]

9 hours ago, Gundric said:

As a Crusade player only, they really have neutered me from playing with the new units somewhat. I can't take terminator characters or generic rune priests as the only options are epic heros who basically don't interact with GW's own campaign rules very well. Might just slap 5 points on OG codex terminator characters and rune priests for the extra movement and allow them to join the relevant squads. 

This limitations are for the legal play. If you dont play to juste play the better armyr possible, just ask your friends to do it and go.

[Lionsbane]

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I play with and against wolves (occasionally in doubles) and I'm sorry but half the stuff that people complain about is just... bizarre.

I may have not made it clear. I think the BC cost is fine, they are cheap as they should be. GH should be cheaper. 

To expound upon what I was trying to get across. I think when you see units that are 5-10 or whatever. The first five should be more expensive than the last five.

[Lionsbane]

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just ask your friends to do it and go.

Even casual players play with random people in FLGS. Assuming because you are not at a GT you are 'playing with your friends' is a huge disconnect from reality. 

[Commissar Greif]

Has anyone got more shots of the miniature showcase in the new codex?

[DemonGSides]

10 minutes ago, Lionsbane said:

Even casual players play with random people in FLGS. Assuming because you are not at a GT you are 'playing with your friends' is a huge disconnect from reality. 

 

Not really. I think most of the overblown "But what about LGS pick up games?!" Complaints come about due to  hypotheticals. Plenty of pickup games I've seen and been part of have had a friendly chat about a small rule deviation or the like without any problems.

 

If neither of you are practicing for a tournament there's no need to be a stickler for those sorts of rules. Play the in-game rules as close to possible, but things like Legends units and "Hey can I attach this guy and see if it's truly as broken as GW seems to think it is?" Aren't hard asks and any sane human would be fine giving it a try.

 

40 minutes ago, Lionsbane said:

Because he doesn't have a Storm Shield. No I don't know why some characters care and others do not. Again it is stupid arbitrary nonsense. But he can join a unit with a captain, lt or chapter master, even if it is named... 

And your Death Company units still have options... They keep peeling them off SW. 

 

I don't care about whatever justification, it's stupid either way.

 

And say that to my former thunder hammer DC. Things change. 

[Lionsbane]

 

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And say that to my former thunder hammer DC. Things change. 

I guess. But I have a metric ton of Blood Claw and Grey Hunter models with Power Fists, Special weapons etc. that have been out of a job for a long time. DC still have some options. I get it. We got better models. But man it isn't all roses here either. 

[Northern Walker]

Maybe we can all agree that codexes are handly very poorly these days?