Space Wolves refresh

[Blindhamster]

yeah they look nicely in keeping

[DemonGSides]

5 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

yeah they look nicely in keeping

 

Yeah now I'm definitely considering signing up for a LOT of surgery to turn some of these into DC.  Just great posing all around.

[Marshal Reinhard]

I don't believe there's been any size shenanigans with the scale of any primaris marines since their introduction. Every kit released since has been pretty in keeping with the very first Dark Imperium box Intercessor, these space wolves look to be no exception

[Blindhamster]

4 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

I don't believe there's been any size shenanigans with the scale of any primaris marines since their introduction. Every kit released since has been pretty in keeping with the very first Dark Imperium box Intercessor, these space wolves look to be no exception

The BA captain is shorter, the lower leg piece is a solid 3-4mm shorter in fact. The torso is also actually a little shorter.

The crusader squads lower legs are a couple mm longer than intercessors also. 

It's not huge, but its enough. The BA captain is pretty annoying as actually it makes him look a little silly next to a lot of models lol

[Dark Shepherd]

On 6/11/2025 at 5:47 PM, Wispy said:

I'm having a really good time with these new kits. These Grey Hunters are so dashing I almost want them to take me on a date.

Remember, just because they repelled an ork invasion it doesnt mean you owe them anything 

[Nephaston]

On 6/11/2025 at 6:47 PM, Wispy said:

I'm having a really good time with these new kits. These Grey Hunters are so dashing I almost want them to take me on a date.

 

Oh me, oh my, what dashing rogues

[Wispy]

The thing I like about the Blood Claw kit is I'm 3 Marines deep without having to put a pistol in anyone's hand yet. 

[Wolf Guard Dan]

Just finished reading the Armageddon campaign book. They mention wolf scouts a lot. I know in the codex they say “these units are the wolf scouts,”  but could be foreshadowing to a wolf scout release. Hope the kill team rumors heat up for them. 

[Blindhamster]

Honestly with the introduction of Phobos, the idea of full marines ever reverting to scout carapace doesn’t make a lot of sense now.

[jaxom]

27 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

Honestly with the introduction of Phobos, the idea of full marines ever reverting to scout carapace doesn’t make a lot of sense now.

I really think the Primaris launch aimed to concretely establish Marine shape designs and part of that was "everyone is in Power Armour." Scouts would have existed in lore, but would not show up on the tabletop anymore. All the past now, and we've new Scouts....

[Blindhamster]

Difference is, scouts are the new guys, that can’t wear power armour yet.

 

wolves instead give the black carapace early, before the marine has fully proven themself. So the concept of the carapace armour scouts for space wolves just seems really odd.

 

wolf scouts are veterans. It’s honestly dumb to have them in the carapace now Phobos exists. They should really be a unique veteran Phobos unit now.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 10:07 PM by Blindhamster

[Bryan Blaire]

It would absolutely make sense to see the Wolf Scouts take up the Hounds of Morkai role as well, and the Incursors/Infiltrators/Reivers. It’s really what they would have been anyway (minus the made up Hounds capability, but I really like it as a thematic element for the Wolves).

[Wolf Guard Dan]

1 hour ago, Blindhamster said:

Honestly with the introduction of Phobos, the idea of full marines ever reverting to scout carapace doesn’t make a lot of sense now.

It would be an excellent opportunity to give us a unique Phobos unit. Make them anti psyker like hounds were.

I could see GW keeping tradition and putting them in carapace. I wouldn’t be disappointed either way. 
I’m not familiar enough with Phobos lore. Is it more stealthy than carapace? Are there any drawbacks to Phobos which would make carapace more desirable?

[Karhedron]

8 hours ago, Wolf Guard Dan said:

I’m not familiar enough with Phobos lore. Is it more stealthy than carapace? Are there any drawbacks to Phobos which would make carapace more desirable?

 

I am struggling to think of any. GW always seem to avoid side-by-side comparisons, probably so we can't poke holes in the logic of future releases. 

 

While Phobos armour is lighter and optimised for stealth/infiltration, it is still full power armour with all the enhancements one would expect such as being fully sealed, auto-senses, enhanced strength etc. Scout armour is passive, just ceramite plates.

 

I suppose with no power requirements or complex parts, Scout armour could function independently indefinitely. Power armour will eventually need maintenance and resupply (or recharging). With no active power sources, I suppose Scout armour would be even harder to detect. This last paragraph is just my speculation rather than anything GW has out in print. 

[Blindhamster]

So, in wrath and glory, it has worse armour than tacticus. 
 

but it has +1 movement, +2 stealth and is “only” powered 3 (+3 strength) where tacticus has powered 4.

 

tacticus has the same armour as Aquila but Aquila only has powered 3.

 

So yeah it’s faster and quieter, at the cost of strength and toughness vs tacticus.

 

 

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

8 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

I am struggling to think of any. GW always seem to avoid side-by-side comparisons, probably so we can't poke holes in the logic of future releases. 

 

While Phobos armour is lighter and optimised for stealth/infiltration, it is still full power armour with all the enhancements one would expect such as being fully sealed, auto-senses, enhanced strength etc. Scout armour is passive, just ceramite plates.

 

I suppose with no power requirements or complex parts, Scout armour could function independently indefinitely. Power armour will eventually need maintenance and resupply (or recharging). With no active power sources, I suppose Scout armour would be even harder to detect. This last paragraph is just my speculation rather than anything GW has out in print. 

 

I would add that with power armor it feels like the marine would need serfs to help equip it. I also think the weight of the power armor may be drawback if you're trying to infiltrate a base, not only would you be more likely to leave tracks, but there may be sections where the floors might not be designed to handle that much weight.  

[Blindhamster]

Tbf.. look up weights of marines and weight if carapace as well, that argument is as likely true of any marine scout

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

1 hour ago, Blindhamster said:

Tbf.. look up weights of marines and weight if carapace as well, that argument is as likely true of any marine scout

 

When I look up weights, I tend to find speculation based on info from roleplaying books which I don't believe are cannon. If I'm being honest, I don't really think that infiltrating space marines make any sense (phobos included). It's just fun to speculate on how GW will justify whatever they decide to do.

[jaxom]

1 hour ago, Jorin Helm-splitter said:

roleplaying books which I don't believe are cannon.

Any of the books from FFG had to pass muster with GW; they’re as canon as Black Library.

[kabaakaba]

There is a different weight for PA in HH books, sometimes iirc it's written a ton. But in same time there is almost invisible raven guard, wolfs etc. stealthy 1000kg thing  walking on metal deck.

[sbarnby71]

I think you have to suspend belief when it comes to SM Armour, you read in the books how lightning fast they can jump, dodge, spin, crouch, back-flip (ok, I made that one up) all with a massive powerpack, back-banner or totem + a cloak and/or animal skin attached.  The one that always makes me laugh is when you read that some dude in TDA can move as fast or if not faster than someone in normal armour, those things are walking tanks.

 

But on the note of the Raven Guard, they're meant to have suppressors, suspensors and extra do-das that make the armour quieter.

[kabaakaba]

57 minutes ago, sbarnby71 said:

But on the note of the Raven Guard, they're meant to have suppressors, suspensors and extra do-das that make the armour quieter.

yeah, but i talk about Malcador choosen when they "quitly" infiltrate Vengeful spirit. there is no that things at them.
and yeah, advancing termies is always make me smile)

Edited 4 hours ago by kabaakaba