Blindhamster Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 yeah they look nicely in keeping Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6115911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 5 minutes ago, Blindhamster said: yeah they look nicely in keeping Yeah now I'm definitely considering signing up for a LOT of surgery to turn some of these into DC. Just great posing all around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6115912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 I don't believe there's been any size shenanigans with the scale of any primaris marines since their introduction. Every kit released since has been pretty in keeping with the very first Dark Imperium box Intercessor, these space wolves look to be no exception Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6115913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 4 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said: I don't believe there's been any size shenanigans with the scale of any primaris marines since their introduction. Every kit released since has been pretty in keeping with the very first Dark Imperium box Intercessor, these space wolves look to be no exception The BA captain is shorter, the lower leg piece is a solid 3-4mm shorter in fact. The torso is also actually a little shorter. The crusader squads lower legs are a couple mm longer than intercessors also. It's not huge, but its enough. The BA captain is pretty annoying as actually it makes him look a little silly next to a lot of models lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6115914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 On 6/11/2025 at 5:47 PM, Wispy said: I'm having a really good time with these new kits. These Grey Hunters are so dashing I almost want them to take me on a date. Remember, just because they repelled an ork invasion it doesnt mean you owe them anything Ironwulf, Blindhamster, Wispy and 3 others 1 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6115918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 On 6/11/2025 at 6:47 PM, Wispy said: I'm having a really good time with these new kits. These Grey Hunters are so dashing I almost want them to take me on a date. Oh me, oh my, what dashing rogues Wispy and jaxom 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6115925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted June 13 Author Share Posted June 13 The thing I like about the Blood Claw kit is I'm 3 Marines deep without having to put a pistol in anyone's hand yet. Apokalypsi, Wolf Guard Dan, TheArtilleryman and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6115952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Just finished reading the Armageddon campaign book. They mention wolf scouts a lot. I know in the codex they say “these units are the wolf scouts,” but could be foreshadowing to a wolf scout release. Hope the kill team rumors heat up for them. RagnarökNRoll 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Honestly with the introduction of Phobos, the idea of full marines ever reverting to scout carapace doesn’t make a lot of sense now. Crimson Longinus, Karhedron and jaxom 1 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 27 minutes ago, Blindhamster said: Honestly with the introduction of Phobos, the idea of full marines ever reverting to scout carapace doesn’t make a lot of sense now. I really think the Primaris launch aimed to concretely establish Marine shape designs and part of that was "everyone is in Power Armour." Scouts would have existed in lore, but would not show up on the tabletop anymore. All the past now, and we've new Scouts.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) Difference is, scouts are the new guys, that can’t wear power armour yet. wolves instead give the black carapace early, before the marine has fully proven themself. So the concept of the carapace armour scouts for space wolves just seems really odd. wolf scouts are veterans. It’s honestly dumb to have them in the carapace now Phobos exists. They should really be a unique veteran Phobos unit now. Edited June 14 by Blindhamster Karhedron, Bryan Blaire, Wolf Guard Dan and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 It would absolutely make sense to see the Wolf Scouts take up the Hounds of Morkai role as well, and the Incursors/Infiltrators/Reivers. It’s really what they would have been anyway (minus the made up Hounds capability, but I really like it as a thematic element for the Wolves). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, Blindhamster said: Honestly with the introduction of Phobos, the idea of full marines ever reverting to scout carapace doesn’t make a lot of sense now. It would be an excellent opportunity to give us a unique Phobos unit. Make them anti psyker like hounds were. I could see GW keeping tradition and putting them in carapace. I wouldn’t be disappointed either way. I’m not familiar enough with Phobos lore. Is it more stealthy than carapace? Are there any drawbacks to Phobos which would make carapace more desirable? Blindhamster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 8 hours ago, Wolf Guard Dan said: I’m not familiar enough with Phobos lore. Is it more stealthy than carapace? Are there any drawbacks to Phobos which would make carapace more desirable? I am struggling to think of any. GW always seem to avoid side-by-side comparisons, probably so we can't poke holes in the logic of future releases. While Phobos armour is lighter and optimised for stealth/infiltration, it is still full power armour with all the enhancements one would expect such as being fully sealed, auto-senses, enhanced strength etc. Scout armour is passive, just ceramite plates. I suppose with no power requirements or complex parts, Scout armour could function independently indefinitely. Power armour will eventually need maintenance and resupply (or recharging). With no active power sources, I suppose Scout armour would be even harder to detect. This last paragraph is just my speculation rather than anything GW has out in print. Jorin Helm-splitter, Wolf Guard Dan and kooper 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 So, in wrath and glory, it has worse armour than tacticus. but it has +1 movement, +2 stealth and is “only” powered 3 (+3 strength) where tacticus has powered 4. tacticus has the same armour as Aquila but Aquila only has powered 3. So yeah it’s faster and quieter, at the cost of strength and toughness vs tacticus. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 8 hours ago, Karhedron said: I am struggling to think of any. GW always seem to avoid side-by-side comparisons, probably so we can't poke holes in the logic of future releases. While Phobos armour is lighter and optimised for stealth/infiltration, it is still full power armour with all the enhancements one would expect such as being fully sealed, auto-senses, enhanced strength etc. Scout armour is passive, just ceramite plates. I suppose with no power requirements or complex parts, Scout armour could function independently indefinitely. Power armour will eventually need maintenance and resupply (or recharging). With no active power sources, I suppose Scout armour would be even harder to detect. This last paragraph is just my speculation rather than anything GW has out in print. I would add that with power armor it feels like the marine would need serfs to help equip it. I also think the weight of the power armor may be drawback if you're trying to infiltrate a base, not only would you be more likely to leave tracks, but there may be sections where the floors might not be designed to handle that much weight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Tbf.. look up weights of marines and weight if carapace as well, that argument is as likely true of any marine scout Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, Blindhamster said: Tbf.. look up weights of marines and weight if carapace as well, that argument is as likely true of any marine scout When I look up weights, I tend to find speculation based on info from roleplaying books which I don't believe are cannon. If I'm being honest, I don't really think that infiltrating space marines make any sense (phobos included). It's just fun to speculate on how GW will justify whatever they decide to do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, Jorin Helm-splitter said: roleplaying books which I don't believe are cannon. Any of the books from FFG had to pass muster with GW; they’re as canon as Black Library. Blindhamster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kabaakaba Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 There is a different weight for PA in HH books, sometimes iirc it's written a ton. But in same time there is almost invisible raven guard, wolfs etc. stealthy 1000kg thing walking on metal deck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbarnby71 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 I think you have to suspend belief when it comes to SM Armour, you read in the books how lightning fast they can jump, dodge, spin, crouch, back-flip (ok, I made that one up) all with a massive powerpack, back-banner or totem + a cloak and/or animal skin attached. The one that always makes me laugh is when you read that some dude in TDA can move as fast or if not faster than someone in normal armour, those things are walking tanks. But on the note of the Raven Guard, they're meant to have suppressors, suspensors and extra do-das that make the armour quieter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kabaakaba Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) 57 minutes ago, sbarnby71 said: But on the note of the Raven Guard, they're meant to have suppressors, suspensors and extra do-das that make the armour quieter. yeah, but i talk about Malcador choosen when they "quitly" infiltrate Vengeful spirit. there is no that things at them. and yeah, advancing termies is always make me smile) Edited June 16 by kabaakaba Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6116507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 On 6/14/2025 at 3:26 PM, Wolf Guard Dan said: It would be an excellent opportunity to give us a unique Phobos unit. Make them anti psyker like hounds were. Apparently this alleged Wolf Scout killteam from Valrak has a doggo in it as well as a bro with a Runic staff of some sort. I wonder if it will do the sorts of anti-Psyker things the Hounds did while leaving the Hounds as a lore distinction (eg you can paint your Wolf Scout Kill team as Hounds but they do the same thing). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6117216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 The new wolf guard capes/pelts, anyone knows how easy they go on a regular primaris chest? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6117281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sete said: The new wolf guard capes/pelts, anyone knows how easy they go on a regular primaris chest? On the headtakers the shoulder pads are part of the actual front torso and have the shoulder pelts built into them. The back-cape/pelt is also moulded to fit into the front torso piece and shoulders rather than fit 'over' it if that makes sense (which im not sure would fit into a regular primaris chest). Theres possibly some work you could do to cut the backpelt off its piece and use that way but itd probably be easier to just greenstuff some pelts (ive done this in the past to wolfify my bladeguard) (edited to add sprue image) Edited June 19 by DanPesci edited to add image Sete 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385577-space-wolves-refresh/page/39/#findComment-6117296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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