Space Wolves refresh

[Xanthous]

Judging by the blurry pictures, I don't think the presenter got the Blood Claw ability correct; the ability text is way too short in comparison to the identical Assault Intercessor ability. It looks to me to be modifying charges instead - I think the name is "Furious Charge"?

[TheNicronomicon]

10 minutes ago, Xanthous said:

Judging by the blurry pictures, I don't think the presenter got the Blood Claw ability correct; the ability text is way too short in comparison to the identical Assault Intercessor ability. It looks to me to be modifying charges instead - I think the name is "Furious Charge"?

Yeah I really like the current Blood Claw ability--+1S and +1A on the charge. It turns Ragnar into even more of a blender. I'll be sad to see it go but I'm not getting too worked up about anything until we see actual rules.

[infyrana]

Almost tempted by the Wolf Guard models to proxy in as normal Blade Guard for a non-wolf collection.  Kinda curious about any future cavalry updates though as well.  Happy to see some updates here for SW.

[Evil Eye]

Overall, these look pretty good! I definitely like the variety in armour designs, and the Grey Hunters having bolt carbines makes them look even closer to classic Marines (also pretty fun to see as the bolt carbine was my favourite gun in SM2. DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA!). The poses do look a bit goofy here and there, it's clear some of them have been blatantly copypasted from the Assault Intercessors, but overall I'm liking them. Probably helps they didn't try and reinvent the wheel with them or over-Primaris them, and instead kept them recognizable as classic Space Marines.

 

That being said I am very sympathetic for Blood Angels having the awesome bespoke Death Company kit replaced with a lousy upgrade sprue for Assault Intercessors (and Sanguinary Guard getting completely butchered), and I am sad to see Grey Hunters not having special weapons anymore.

 

Still, overall a great looking set of models. Honestly I'd like to see the Intercessor kit revamped like this.

[DemonGSides]

58 minutes ago, infyrana said:

Almost tempted by the Wolf Guard models to proxy in as normal Blade Guard for a non-wolf collection.  Kinda curious about any future cavalry updates though as well.  Happy to see some updates here for SW.

 

The whole new range of SW stuff is a great base for whatever other models you want to use them as. If scraping chest pieces isn't too onerous I might grab a box of blood claws to use some bodies in my DC, since BA basically didn't a real larger sized unit. 

[Blindhamster]

Both blood claws and grey hunters look to be broadly speaking easy to convert to not be wolves yeah. A little scraping will go a long way 

[Marshal Reinhard]

4 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

They've already explicitly mentioned the lore reason. They're younger SW who wear lighter armor so they can get into the fight faster.

Ah fair enough. One could wonder how much losing the kneepad rim and backpack exhaust plating would speed them up,..

 

but that's neat that they addressed it all the same

[Harald Fairmane]

 

 

Blood claw sprue discovered on reddit, miniature of the month for April?

[Commissar Greif]

5 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

There's been rumors of him all the way back to Magnus' release. I believe there was a rumor way back then that someone saw a bunch of the 40k primarch versions, including Magnus, Russ,  Mortarion and maybe another?

 

Nothing concrete or more recent tho beyond hope. Originally it was sort of expected that SW would close out the edition right behind EC. Something has obviously changed at GW HQ. 

Yeah, I'd been expecting SW to drop around summer or winter, with the presumed end-edition narrative campaign and a potential buildup to Russ returning. It looks like a lot of things have been re-shuffled, though. Not just in 40K, either. Looks like stuff has been moved around in AoS, too. Possibly production and distribution issues again?

[Karhedron]

20 minutes ago, Commissar Greif said:

Yeah, I'd been expecting SW to drop around summer or winter, with the presumed end-edition narrative campaign and a potential buildup to Russ returning. It looks like a lot of things have been re-shuffled, though. Not just in 40K, either. Looks like stuff has been moved around in AoS, too. Possibly production and distribution issues again?

 

I think we were just off in our guesses. People were insisting (on the basis of virtually no evidence) that 11th edition would be coming in summer 25. A whole load of stuff got extrapolated from a few vague guesses. Now that those guesses have not panned out, I don't think there is any point claiming that something changed at GW HQ.

[01RTB01]

3 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Oh cool, Grey Hunters are losing the special weapons

Do you have a space wolf army?

[Commissar Greif]

19 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

I think we were just off in our guesses. People were insisting (on the basis of virtually no evidence) that 11th edition would be coming in summer 25. A whole load of stuff got extrapolated from a few vague guesses. Now that those guesses have not panned out, I don't think there is any point claiming that something changed at GW HQ.

Summer 25 is waaaaaaaay too early for the next edition to drop. I was suspecting Spring of 26 at the absolute earliest. Probably closer to summer next year.

[DemonGSides]

29 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

I think we were just off in our guesses. People were insisting (on the basis of virtually no evidence) that 11th edition would be coming in summer 25. A whole load of stuff got extrapolated from a few vague guesses. Now that those guesses have not panned out, I don't think there is any point claiming that something changed at GW HQ.

 

Anyone who thought 11th was happening this year was either just a perpetual grumbler using it as ammo about why modern 40k sucks or was delusional.

 

But the rumors for a loooong time were EC this summer, not this spring. And having Imperial Knights be completely removed from the roadmap is an obvious indication that some stuff has changed. 

[TheMawr]

22 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

I think we were just off in our guesses. People were insisting (on the basis of virtually no evidence) that 11th edition would be coming in summer 25. A whole load of stuff got extrapolated from a few vague guesses. Now that those guesses have not panned out, I don't think there is any point claiming that something changed at GW HQ.

 

Im starting to think there was some, in hindsight, unbased assumption on the (absolutely terrible to interpret) roadmaps... although I do think Imperial Knights of the worst roadmap'24 are in fact delayed I think the 2025 roadmaps with the shadowy teasers might not have been properly interpreted.

 

I think people ( wich includes me ) thought if you put AoS and 40k roadmaps on top of each other each category corresponded a comparable timeline. with the shadowy teaser in the end belonging in the end, after the other pictures on the roadmap. I now think both interpretations where wrong ( and this is the only basis for thinking things have had big shuffles.)

 

I think cathay is coming when it was supposed to be coming, I think space wolves soon releasedate was always meant to be around that time ( maybe pushed forward slightly by a month or so to fall in this financial year, whereas it normally would be closer to summer/Armageddon campaign book and kick off the next financial year, this I could see, but it might have been always the plan to close the financial year with it, with plenty of spacemarines coming to pump the next.)

 

This is all hindsight talk ofcourse, but when I compare things.. nothing ( beyond knights obviously and maybe nighthaunt because of the rumor engine ) seems really off. AoS 4th will have at least the same amount of kits in its first year as 40k 10th edition did, but likely still more.  Cathay out of nowhere might seem sudden, but, SGS/FW is more tight with their rumors. And it comes at roughly the same time as Solar auxilia did last year I think.

 

I do think Krieg and/or Eldar where supposed to be last year, wich makes this year feel more rushed.. but I think the delays and shuffles, if there ever where any to begin with, are behind us.. not in front of us.

 

Ofcourse, its still subjective interpretation.

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, DemonGSides said:

But the rumors for a loooong time were EC this summer, not this spring. And having Imperial Knights be completely removed from the roadmap is an obvious indication that some stuff has changed. 

 

Rumours can be wrong and the roadmaps were only ever indicative. I am not persuaded that GW has changed anything. 

[Wolf Guard Dan]

5 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Oh cool, Grey Hunters are losing the special weapons

Blood claws too. Man, just when the young fellas started to shoot straight too.

 

I’m not surprised either unit are losing their special weapons. It’s unfortunate though. 

[Dark Shepherd]

Ulric is plastic I think? Most of the other characters in danger are resin sic

Super easy to have that Priest kit dual build

[Karhedron]

6 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Ulric is plastic I think? Most of the other characters in danger are resin sic

Super easy to have that Priest kit dual build

 

It was the same with Corbulo in the Blood Angels refresh. The new Sanguinary Priest had multiple build options. It would have been easy to say one was Corbulo and the others were generic Priests but they didn't. 

[Northern Walker]

5 hours ago, Xanthous said:

Judging by the blurry pictures, I don't think the presenter got the Blood Claw ability correct; the ability text is way too short in comparison to the identical Assault Intercessor ability. It looks to me to be modifying charges instead - I think the name is "Furious Charge"?

I wonder if the rerolls is actually the Grey Hunter ability.

[TheNicronomicon]

The current Blood Claw ability is called Berserk Charge: +1A and +1S on all melee weapons until the end of the turn when they charge. The new rule appears to be Furious Charge I think. 
To those of you more familiar with the Blood and Dark Angels datasheets, how much did existing rules change for rebooted units? 

[Wispy]

6 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Oh cool, Grey Hunters are losing the special weapons

Unfortunate but expected. Delighted they prioritized keeping their chainswords with carbines and keeping the True Grit tradition alive, however. Was worried Grey Hunters just becoming furry intercessors. 

 

I suppose at some point GW changes their mind about this and creates a special weapon upgrade sprue for all space marines like Heresy does but not today.

[Hfran Morkai]

I have to say, I'm impressed.

 

Not been massively interested in the 40K Wolves since 5th.

 

But this is more like it. I can't wait to see the Terminators and I hope we see Wolf Scouts in the old metal style (especially if they get cool wargear like Special Weapons, Special Close Combat Weapons and Plasma Pistols).

[DemonGSides]

5 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

Rumours can be wrong and the roadmaps were only ever indicative. I am not persuaded that GW has changed anything. 

 

We don't get much else of a confirmation of any sort of release until it's relatively close anyways, so if that's the only real metric than nothing is certain on any roadmap and makes them basically useless, which feels... cynical, even for this hobby.

Knights showing on one roadmap and then disappearing from the next within a year feels to me pretty indicative of their internal plans getting changed.  Otherwise I'm not sure why you'd bother putting knights on there to begin with.  I don't think those plans ever included 11th ed 40k, to be clear, just that maybe they had original release orders changed and maybe they even took some data/complaints from the community wrt to how Knights interact with the game even.  Doesn't seem too crazy to me.

Edited Friday at 02:37 AM by DemonGSides

[Kassill]

I've spent the better part of last night and today at work with these images up on my phone. Completely surprised last night and giddy beyond belief. I had mentally written off our bespoke battleline as "old hammer" and expected them to get phased out as we felt more and more like a supplement with each edition. 

GW really smashed this and I am counting pennies to secure a box on release! 

Fenris Hjolda! 

[Marshal Rohr]

The more I look at the blood claws the madder I get. Imagine if they’d just don’t a bigger mark 7 instead of the primaris BS. We’d have all been rabid over it. What a waste.