Adepticon 2025 Reveals - Personal Insights and Quandries.

[INKS]

Ok I wanted to go over my personal insights, some of you might not care I get that. But after seeing many of the reveals I am really torn on what to do. There is only so much money and time. And both are in shorter supply these days for me personally.

 

First I'll talk about the models that don't really have a personal impact on me.

 

Crusade - Armageddon - I don't play Crusade, I have no plans on playing it. But I have very fond memories of the war for Armageddon. I might buy the book if there is lore in it, just for that. This is a maybe for me and if I have the money.

 

Space Wolves - They look great honestly. I am not a space wolves player so I won't be picking them up but if you are then I would think you'd be pretty happy right now. The models look really good.

 

Grey Knights - I have been carrying a torch for these guys for years and for years I've been waiting for a refresh. This is going to be likely the most negative thing I am going to say, and it's ok if you do not agree. The baby carrier is getting an upgrade sprue. Not a whole new kit, but just some sprue. It looks good, don't get me wrong. But I feel like it could have used a redesign. On top of this they are throwing it in an army box with other old models. That is the only upgrade so far. This doesn't surprise me too much, I've heard the rumour for a while that GKs won't see a real refresh until 11th. Which is a shame. What does bother me a little is that they will draw players into this army with the upgrade sprue, sell off a bunch of old, shorty marines that really do need an upgrade and in a year or so likely refresh the range... I would wait personally. Feels like a tiny cash grab / unloading old models that need updates badly right now. It doesn't feel good.

 

Thousand Sons - I don't have a lot to say or add. I think the robots look a little odd. The paint job they gave them doesn't make any sense to me. I am not sure they are showing them off in their best light. They do look interesting but I don't know if it's for me. Which is odd because I love robots.

 

World Eaters - wow there are a lot of very very upset WE right now. I do understand, you thought you might get a larger refresh or some more added units. I thought it was just going to be a Surgeon model and that was it, so I suppose that is why I am not more upset about it. I still think the new model looks cool personally. I think his abilities sound cool, reviving models / 8 bounds sounds strong honestly. On top of this I really like Flesh Hounds and since they and blood crushers will be included in the new dex it's very appealing honestly. I don't know that it's good to give them a leader but you'll have that option to as well. Which sounds cool to me. Here is where my personal problems start. This army on the table top is already fairly fun in my opinion. I really like the addition of Flesh Hounds and Blood Crushers, I REALLY like the idea of reviving models... this is a potential army for me. So potential Army 1. Problem 1. The LE Codex IF I do pick a Chaos faction I think is a must for me. The Army box also look kind of appealing. I am not mad about it like some others seem to be.

 

Death Guard - For years I have been drawn the Death Guard but for one reason or another I have never pulled the trigger. However every time I come back to looking at armies, somehow they find a way in. I think there is some personal connection (as horrible as this sounds) of having a lot of medical issues personally, being fat (hahaha yeah yeah they are diseased and bloated so it's not the same), and I like green? I don't know but I keep coming back to them. Lets add on top that I LOVE nurglings. They are swarm and I just like swarm units in general. Don't know why. I also tend to like the beasts of nurgle, I like their terminators - they are chunky, I generally like plague marines and a number of their characters. Pox walker models could be a little better, but I love zombies... I think this is why I keep getting pulled back to this army. The LE codex looks good and the new Character while only one model also looks good, and I really liked what was shown in terms of the army box. So potential army 2 and problem 2... sigh....

 

Kill Team Typhon:

Wow... where do I start. I have been trying to get into Kill Team for a while but most of the teams just don't speak to me. I have complained about it a lot, probably too much. But this look like it might be my time? FINALLY.

 

A few months ago I started a Nid army.... ok ok, I only own a few gaunts and 1 Norn model who I haven't even built yet. I was almost tempted to recently give up on nids and trade them in but.... this kill team might pull me back out. I like the Nids. I like their lore, I like that they are kind of this pure force, not evil in a pure sense but the purest intentions? They need biomass. Anyways, I like Crusher stampede, I like A LOT of their models. The range is fairly complete and new. Raveners did need an update and they look really good. (Warriors do as well in my opinion), and the options for the different types of Raveners even if they don't come to 40k are still pretty cool and interesting. I really like the bulky guy. I also think the terrain is really cool and I can see myself actually painting it, which is rare for me. So because of this box Nids are potential army 3 and worse for me an entry into Kill team which I've been looking for.

 

AdMech - I took a break from this hobby for many years and when I came back it was 9th ed. I bought 1 codex. Ad Mech. Because when I left the hobby they were not an army. But their lore has always been cool. So when I came back I bought their codex. I never bought any models, I never painted any and I never played them in 9th. But I loved that codex. So much like Death Guard, Ad Mech keep pulling me in from time to time. Necrons sort of fall into this category as well but there is something about the Tech priests, (I don't like their 40k tanks and I miss the tanks of 30k as well as the robots of 30k). I have always loved servitors and I have always wanted more variety and more ways to field them in 40k.. this might? be something that comes to 40k. But even if it doesn't.... Ad Mech Servitor team kinda sounds amazing to me. Now I know, there is one reused model in this set. But the new tech priest is weird and I like that. The servitors look cool and I like that. This could be an even better fit than Nids. And the timing is funny because within the last month when I started to question nids, I started to look at Ad mech and how they play in 10th and so on. So finally, potential army 4 and problem 4....

 

4 Potential Armies.

4 Problems.

I can not start them all. I can not collect or afford them all.

AT BEST I could get the Kill Team Box but then I would focus on 1 of the 2 armies. I would 100% keep both kill teams but I wouldn't build it out to 40k.

I really don't know what to do. I think WE is in last place right now with the other 3 really tied. But all of them have appeal for the reasons I explained. If you read all of this then I thank you. It was a lot to read. I look forward to any insights you might have and am very open to discussion and how you also feel about the models and releases.

[sitnam]

It's your hobby, but given the options I'd go for Typhon. It gets you into a new game and expands an existing force your already have.

[Timberley]

Based purely on amount of words you've ascribed to KT: Typhon, I'd say go for that.  Whilst you may not build them out for 40K, they'd be easy to include should you want to use them in an army (assuming I'm reading your closing remarks right), and as both teams belong to factions you're already interested in, then it's an easy choice.

 

I hear you about the Grey Knights.  Since their introduction way back when, I've loved the idea and aesthetic of Chapter 666.  Since the new Crowe I've been waiting for them to 'true-scale' the kits, and give us a range refresh.  However, that hasn't happened.  I like the upgrade sprue for the Baby Carrier, but it's definitely a let down.  The logical conclusion there, based on your paragraph, is to wait until there's some sort of refresh before purchasing more GK, so that moves us back to KT:Typhon.

 

The Chaos reveals I'm mostly ambivalent about, but from what I can gather people were hoping for Berserkers, despite the Eightbound being the meta pick for armies.  The DG Lord I can't comment on, other than it's a decent model, but doesn't grab me.  As an aside, I like the Thousand Sons robots, but I think the preview colour scheme is rubbish, which contributes to them looking really bad.  However, you haven't started either army yet, so there's a real issue that you could spend a lot of money for something that you ultimately end up disliking after the Codex drop (particularly if GW change things abruptly in a balance pass, which is their wont).  I'd err on the side of caution here and return to KT:Typhon myself.

 

The new Space Wolves look amazing, but similarly to you I don't collect Space Wolves (any more - I used to back in the 90s), so whilst I might pick up a character for a painting project, I'm not going to get the army box or anything else.  That returns us to KT:Typhon.

 

In the past, I've been interested in The New Thing (no matter what it is), and have bought some of them, but ultimately I find myself either selling them again or have them languishing on the Pile of Potential for several months before selling them.  However, I've found that since making a definite plan for a 40K army (not my big focus - Necromunda is my bag but my friends like playing 40K) that is coherent and fun has informed a lot of my purchasing decisions.  So, my IG army has become 2 regiments, which can be fielded together - one's a Fallschirmjager-style drop regiment (Krieg along with other, older miniatures), the other is a techno-medieval regiment based on my Knight Household (Solar Auxilia, Skitarii, Secutarii, and some others).  If I see a new release (for any game system) and can't use it in my IG army (or as one of my 4 Necromunda gangs), then I can appreciate the model but have no interest in buying it.  I've saved a lot of money this way!  However, by turns, I've been able to pick up models outside the regular ones to have within my army and gangs in lieu of regular kits; such as Solar Auxilia as Scions, kit-bashed Skitarii Vanguard as regular infantry, the Hernkyn Yaegirs as Ironhead Squats, and Van Saar Tek-Hunters as Tek-Hunters and Tempestus Aquilons.  However, it depends what you want to do with your hobby.

 

Anyway, that's my thoughts on your quandary.

[JeffJedi]

Personally I come from the era of 1st and 2nd where World Eaters had Chaos Armor that could not be removed. So a bunch of guys without helmets does nothing for me.

 

The Admech Kill team is a must have and will find use both in 40k and Horus Heresy. The Servitors are big with Vat Grown muscle so they will make good Servo Atomata. I wanted something that looks different that the tech thralls who are basic humans that have been modified and mind whiped.

[INKS]

2 hours ago, Timberley said:

Based purely on amount of words you've ascribed to KT: Typhon, I'd say go for that.  Whilst you may not build them out for 40K, they'd be easy to include should you want to use them in an army (assuming I'm reading your closing remarks right), and as both teams belong to factions you're already interested in, then it's an easy choice.

 

I hear you about the Grey Knights.  Since their introduction way back when, I've loved the idea and aesthetic of Chapter 666.  Since the new Crowe I've been waiting for them to 'true-scale' the kits, and give us a range refresh.  However, that hasn't happened.  I like the upgrade sprue for the Baby Carrier, but it's definitely a let down.  The logical conclusion there, based on your paragraph, is to wait until there's some sort of refresh before purchasing more GK, so that moves us back to KT:Typhon.

 

The Chaos reveals I'm mostly ambivalent about, but from what I can gather people were hoping for Berserkers, despite the Eightbound being the meta pick for armies.  The DG Lord I can't comment on, other than it's a decent model, but doesn't grab me.  As an aside, I like the Thousand Sons robots, but I think the preview colour scheme is rubbish, which contributes to them looking really bad.  However, you haven't started either army yet, so there's a real issue that you could spend a lot of money for something that you ultimately end up disliking after the Codex drop (particularly if GW change things abruptly in a balance pass, which is their wont).  I'd err on the side of caution here and return to KT:Typhon myself.

 

The new Space Wolves look amazing, but similarly to you I don't collect Space Wolves (any more - I used to back in the 90s), so whilst I might pick up a character for a painting project, I'm not going to get the army box or anything else.  That returns us to KT:Typhon.

 

In the past, I've been interested in The New Thing (no matter what it is), and have bought some of them, but ultimately I find myself either selling them again or have them languishing on the Pile of Potential for several months before selling them.  However, I've found that since making a definite plan for a 40K army (not my big focus - Necromunda is my bag but my friends like playing 40K) that is coherent and fun has informed a lot of my purchasing decisions.  So, my IG army has become 2 regiments, which can be fielded together - one's a Fallschirmjager-style drop regiment (Krieg along with other, older miniatures), the other is a techno-medieval regiment based on my Knight Household (Solar Auxilia, Skitarii, Secutarii, and some others).  If I see a new release (for any game system) and can't use it in my IG army (or as one of my 4 Necromunda gangs), then I can appreciate the model but have no interest in buying it.  I've saved a lot of money this way!  However, by turns, I've been able to pick up models outside the regular ones to have within my army and gangs in lieu of regular kits; such as Solar Auxilia as Scions, kit-bashed Skitarii Vanguard as regular infantry, the Hernkyn Yaegirs as Ironhead Squats, and Van Saar Tek-Hunters as Tek-Hunters and Tempestus Aquilons.  However, it depends what you want to do with your hobby.

 

Anyway, that's my thoughts on your quandary.

Appreciate the insights a lot, thank you

1 hour ago, JeffJedi said:

Personally I come from the era of 1st and 2nd where World Eaters had Chaos Armor that could not be removed. So a bunch of guys without helmets does nothing for me.

 

The Admech Kill team is a must have and will find use both in 40k and Horus Heresy. The Servitors are big with Vat Grown muscle so they will make good Servo Atomata. I wanted something that looks different that the tech thralls who are basic humans that have been modified and mind whiped.

The current hate on reddit for them is unreal to me. But that aside I do like them quite a bit.

[W.A.Rorie]

@INKS KT box speaks for you go for it…. I want it too but for admech army planned, but not much else. 
 

the GMNDK is way over due but yeah hopefully there will be more soon on the GK front, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. 

[INKS]

I probably need an internet break for a day or so. The negativity from chaos players and even worse Ad mech players is overwhelming right now. Seeing it all, regardless of how much I disagree with these people drains all excitement from the hobby and those factions. Isn't it odd that somehow I allow other players of a faction to interfere with my own enjoyment of that faction. I think this is because often time you go to that community for help in building lists, how units work and so on. And since they are so negative you just don't want to interact with them.

[Scribe]

Imagine being a fan of a faction for literal decades, more than half of your life, collecting it in multiple iterations, multiple times, over multiple editions.

 

And then, when you think you are going to finally get a refresh, and some depth, and units...you get cultists, and some mutated dudes...at the end of an edition.

 

And then you wait again, and you shake your head at multiple choices being made by GW, and again it comes time and....next to nothing.

 

What GW has done to the World Eaters is, again understanding its just toys, and first world problems, and a hobby BUT STILL.

 

Its not great, and its killed any ANY desire to buy these models.

[INKS]

Oh I have been there, we all have I think. It's not like the WE are the only ones to experience this. And at some point they will get more models. People are acting like the rug was pulled out from under them but that isn't actually the case. There was no promise of new units, Terminators, Surgeon or anything else. It got a new character. sad I know because it needs more. But it's no different from Votann who haven't seen anything new yet. Or Tsons who didn't see anything new for many years. WE have Angron, Lord on Jug, Lord Invo, New berskers, jahkals, 8 bound (i won't include exalted since it's the same kit really), Khârn (although not new), 7 units. You could argue a few others here and there like the lord of skulls, but I won't include Moe or some others since those are baseline chaos units.

 

Votann have 13 - it's a little unfair because they had nothing and aren't a subfaction - so all their tanks and so on are included here. Where as I did not include any of those in the chaos factions.

Tsons have about 8 - you could argue this a little I suppose.

EC - have 8 units? brand new.

 

Did I miss some? This does not include anything new for Tsons or WE.

Tsons get robot bringing them up to 9 unique units. -- this could be argued to be a little more and they have been around for many years.

WE have 8 with the new character - this doesn't include the KT because I don't know how that will play out or if it'll be included, but maybe 9?

I would not be surprised if Votann only got 1 new leader or character...

EC are done for now. it'll be a few years before they get more as well.

I did not include DG, they have a lot honestly. Even though they only keep getting a character here and there that they really don't need it's still nice to get a model.

 

So I do understand. WE do need more units, I don't argue or debate that, but they are not that much worse off if at all worse off than other subfactions. Including the brand new EC...

 

 

[Arikel]

31 minutes ago, Scribe said:

Imagine being a fan of a faction for literal decades, more than half of your life, collecting it in multiple iterations, multiple times, over multiple editions.

 

And then, when you think you are going to finally get a refresh, and some depth, and units...you get cultists, and some mutated dudes...at the end of an edition.

 

And then you wait again, and you shake your head at multiple choices being made by GW, and again it comes time and....next to nothing.

 

What GW has done to the World Eaters is, again understanding its just toys, and first world problems, and a hobby BUT STILL.

 

Its not great, and its killed any ANY desire to buy these models.

Honestly that’s how I felt when they did the big primaris drop and changed space marines. Look how they killed my boy eh?

 

Still not really over that, but back now after several years off and working away on my pile of shame, some of which is old enough to vote now I’m pretty sure, but which still grows ever larger as my chapter has expanded into an imperial crusade force(in my mind anyway, but someday) I even have 3 painted up primaris dudes and a few sisters ready to rock!

 

As for you brother @INKS, I would add my vote to pick up the kill team box as it fills two of your wants, and even the terrain is speaking to ya as it were. Best of luck making yer choice.

 

Personally I like the looks of almost everything released. The TS robots are a little weird but do fit in with the whole mummies in space vibe they have. Loving the servitors and the space wolves. Probably won’t get the big boxes but will likely get a squad of each of the wolfies to kitbash into Iron Boots in the future, and man I want those servitors. Finally in plastic, and now they’re out of all the codexes but whatever, it’s my army and I’ll do what I want with it.

 

Hope it’s not too hard to make a decision in the end frater. May the emperor’s light guide your way!

[sitnam]

7 hours ago, INKS said:

I probably need an internet break for a day or so. The negativity from chaos players and even worse Ad mech players is overwhelming right now. Seeing it all, regardless of how much I disagree with these people drains all excitement from the hobby and those factions. Isn't it odd that somehow I allow other players of a faction to interfere with my own enjoyment of that faction. I think this is because often time you go to that community for help in building lists, how units work and so on. And since they are so negative you just don't want to interact with them.

 

I honestly haven't seen much AdMech negativity, although I only glance at reddit to get a gauge of popular opinions there and don't spend much time on it. Sure some people don't like it, but that's just normal

 

Chaos negativity might just be part of the hobby at this point. I love my "AoS" Tzeentch models, no matter how much negativity I see about them

[W.A.Rorie]

8 hours ago, Scribe said:

Imagine being a fan of a faction for literal decades, more than half of your life, collecting it in multiple iterations, multiple times, over multiple editions.

 

And then, when you think you are going to finally get a refresh, and some depth, and units...you get cultists, and some mutated dudes...at the end of an edition.

 

And then you wait again, and you shake your head at multiple choices being made by GW, and again it comes time and....next to nothing.

 

What GW has done to the World Eaters is, again understanding its just toys, and first world problems, and a hobby BUT STILL.

 

Its not great, and its killed any ANY desire to buy these models.

 

As an Adepta Sororitas player since 1997, I feel this straight to my core, hence the laughing emoji.  

[Emperor Ming]

15 minutes ago, W.A.Rorie said:

 

As an Adepta Sororitas player since 1997, I feel this straight to my core, hence the laughing emoji.  

Ditto

[INKS]

1 hour ago, sitnam said:

 

I honestly haven't seen much AdMech negativity, although I only glance at reddit to get a gauge of popular opinions there and don't spend much time on it. Sure some people don't like it, but that's just normal

 

Chaos negativity might just be part of the hobby at this point. I love my "AoS" Tzeentch models, no matter how much negativity I see about them

Oh it's been pretty bad.

[Scribe]

WE are not even close to EC. EC is a great looking release.

 

WE got 

 

1 Lord on a Jugger.

1 Berzerker unit refresh, and its not even really a Multi-Pose kit due to the terrible nature of new kits.

 

The rest is either pre-existing, or stuff nobody wanted or needed.

 

Where's the Lord on Foot? Terminator Lord? Red Butchers? Gladiator type units? Teeth of Khorne? Unique warmachines even?

 

Its a travesty. I dont even care for Angron. The WE release is one of the worst of all time.

[Dr. Clock]

I'm a bit disheartened as well at the lack of 'new' WE love, although much may be forgiven depending on how the Codex rules shake out. I've been playing my WE half the time from Index and half the time through CSM, and both are still good lists. So to me this will still mostly end up as an improvement since I'm actually excited about breaking out my 10 flesh hounds and 20 Bloodletters who've been gathering dust this edition. I love the Astartes + Mortals + Daemons trifecta kinda list, so I guess I'm satisfied with this release even though it won't likely result in any models purchased... Although I wouldn't hate the option to bring in a few bloodcrushers, I'll probably wait on that until I get some games in with what I've got.

 

1 hour ago, Scribe said:

Where's the Lord on Foot? Terminator Lord? Red Butchers? Gladiator type units? Teeth of Khorne? Unique warmachines even?

 

I get your point. WE-specific terminators or Zerk Juggercav would have been awesome, but it's pretty clear that 'Cult Books' all kind of went together in a single release slot this edition rather than having their own dedicated units developed like the Big 3 (SW/DA/BA) Loyalist variants have received. That's to say that pretty obviously the investment in God-specific stuff this edition was to get EC out rather than bolstering DG/WE/KSons. I do somewhat take the migration of the daemons units into the cult books as a tacit admission that those lists all suffer from a lack of units. It's not new stuff, but it's new options, and that's really what we needed! 

 

3 hours ago, INKS said:

Oh it's been pretty bad.

I am 100% into the Servitors team. Will be adding to my collection. On launch the Codex was truly quite bad, and the range is just so expensive if you're not careful or inventive in the conversion game... but rules are much stronger now than they were before and I'm much more positive on them now as a result. Basically they have only 2 detachments that are worth it, but Skit Cohort and Haloscreed are both pretty solid IMO. It's a high floor/high ceiling list for sure, but that's how I like it.

 

If I had to guess the servitors won't really be... good, at least not compared to just more rangers or Skitarri, but with luck they'll be a fun add with a tricksy trick of some kind.

 

On 3/26/2025 at 11:53 PM, INKS said:

think the robots look a little odd. The paint job they gave them doesn't make any sense to me. I am not sure they are showing them off in their best light.

100% - Just doing them in the classic blue with a splash of yellow would be my go-to; I'm sure they'll look better with a more coherent scheme.

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

[Scribe]

56 minutes ago, Dr. Clock said:

I get your point. WE-specific terminators or Zerk Juggercav would have been awesome, but it's pretty clear that 'Cult Books' all kind of went together in a single release slot this edition rather than having their own dedicated units developed like the Big 3 (SW/DA/BA) Loyalist variants have received. That's to say that pretty obviously the investment in God-specific stuff this edition was to get EC out rather than bolstering DG/WE/KSons. I do somewhat take the migration of the daemons units into the cult books as a tacit admission that those lists all suffer from a lack of units. It's not new stuff, but it's new options, and that's really what we needed! 

 

Thing is, we have HAD those combined Mortal/Daemon lists. Khorne Daeamonkin. I played it.

 

The issue is *deep breath* that Loyalists are, have been, and always will be, spoiled to death, while CSM are given scraps, and the bare minimum.

 

Its always been this way, and I get it, but after finally giving us supposedly a WE release, our own book, THIS is what we get? OK...that sucked in 9th...so lets wait till 10th...and what?

 

2 Units of Cultists. Access to Daemons. Mutated Beefy Boys.

 

What?

 

No, thats just not it, its not remotely it, and GW knows what people want.

 

3.5

6th Edition "Right before the Edition Dies" Legion Rules.

Heresy Lists.

 

I mean they know it, its all right there, and instead we are given scraps at best. Its insulting honestly.

[HeadlessCross]

4 hours ago, Scribe said:

WE are not even close to EC. EC is a great looking release.

 

WE got 

 

1 Lord on a Jugger.

1 Berzerker unit refresh, and its not even really a Multi-Pose kit due to the terrible nature of new kits.

 

 

The Berzerkers aren't a well designed kit, I agree. I find it silly all of them suffer from "pistol in right hand, melee in left hand". Absolutely zero variety. 

 

49 minutes ago, Scribe said:

6th Edition "Right before the Edition Dies" Legion Rules.

That was technically 7th. Also I'm surprised to see you defend the Emperor's Children release to be honest. 

[Scribe]

7 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

That was technically 7th. Also I'm surprised to see you defend the Emperor's Children release to be honest. 

 

Was it 7th? I just know it was right at the tail end and then 'thanks for the cash lol' gone.

 

As to the EC. Its at least Marines. They at least hit the right notes (get it) on what the focus should be, and in comparison to the WE? Its about 200% better.

[INKS]

4 hours ago, Scribe said:

WE are not even close to EC. EC is a great looking release.

 

WE got 

 

1 Lord on a Jugger.

1 Berzerker unit refresh, and its not even really a Multi-Pose kit due to the terrible nature of new kits.

 

The rest is either pre-existing, or stuff nobody wanted or needed.

 

Where's the Lord on Foot? Terminator Lord? Red Butchers? Gladiator type units? Teeth of Khorne? Unique warmachines even?

 

Its a travesty. I dont even care for Angron. The WE release is one of the worst of all time.

I think that is fairly subjective. You got jackhals, Angron, 2 lords on steeds, berserker refresh and a dual kit in 8 bound... so 6 units. a little behind EC but not that far.

 

49 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

Thing is, we have HAD those combined Mortal/Daemon lists. Khorne Daeamonkin. I played it.

 

The issue is *deep breath* that Loyalists are, have been, and always will be, spoiled to death, while CSM are given scraps, and the bare minimum.

 

Its always been this way, and I get it, but after finally giving us supposedly a WE release, our own book, THIS is what we get? OK...that sucked in 9th...so lets wait till 10th...and what?

 

2 Units of Cultists. Access to Daemons. Mutated Beefy Boys.

 

What?

 

No, thats just not it, its not remotely it, and GW knows what people want.

 

3.5

6th Edition "Right before the Edition Dies" Legion Rules.

Heresy Lists.

 

I mean they know it, its all right there, and instead we are given scraps at best. Its insulting honestly.

I understand. I really do. sadly this is always going to be the case. The loyalists sell and support the game great than ANY other army of faction. I guess my point is that WE are not alone in feeling or getting a release that is 1/2 of what you want or even need and then you have to wait many years before it gets fleshed out.

[Scribe]

18 minutes ago, INKS said:

I think that is fairly subjective. You got jackhals, Angron, 2 lords on steeds, berserker refresh and a dual kit in 8 bound... so 6 units. a little behind EC but not that far.

 

Cultists - Dont care.

Angron - Meh. If you are into Primarchs, great, if you think that the Hero Hammer Special Character focus of modern 40K is a Bug, not a Feature?

2 Lords? Its one, some flying Jugger new Special Character (see above) is not something on my Bingo list.

Berzerkers - Noted.

8 Bound, again, nobody wanted mutated beefy boys. We could have used specific Possessed.

 

Its miles away from what EC got, because EC got actual EC units.

 

Or are Tzaangors now Thousand Sons as well?

[sitnam]

1 hour ago, Scribe said:

Or are Tzaangors now Thousand Sons as well?

Yes, and always  have been.

 

1 hour ago, Scribe said:

8 Bound, again, nobody wanted mutated beefy boys. We could have used specific Possessed.

 

Huh? So you can use specific Possessed, but you don't like the ones you got? I understand not liking the Eightbound sculpts, but they literally are your possesed

[Scribe]

8 minutes ago, sitnam said:

Yes, and always  have been.

 

And this is where the disconnect is. People who are dissatisfied with these releases look at such units, and the Cultists, and 8 Bound, and say "I didnt want that, I wanted World Eaters or Thousand Sons" the actual Legionnaires. 8 Bound, if not bloated and you know, having Helmets, and in the same scale as the rest of the Marines, would likely be fine, but Cultists/Tzaangors?

 

Those are not Legionnaires.

[sitnam]

2 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

And this is where the disconnect is. People who are dissatisfied with these releases look at such units, and the Cultists, and 8 Bound, and say "I didnt want that, I wanted World Eaters or Thousand Sons" the actual Legionnaires. 8 Bound, if not bloated and you know, having Helmets, and in the same scale as the rest of the Marines, would likely be fine, but Cultists/Tzaangors?

 

Those are not Legionnaires.

 

Sure, I'll freely admit that I am a Tzeentch fan, not a TS fan. I got some Rubrics laying about, but I also got about 3 different cultist conversions, some kitbashed Daemon Engines, spawn conversions, etc. Cultists and mutants have been a core part of Chaos forever. In reality, the cult legion books aren't just dedicated to the Legions themselves, but to their gods.  

[Scribe]

17 minutes ago, sitnam said:

Sure, I'll freely admit that I am a Tzeentch fan, not a TS fan. I got some Rubrics laying about, but I also got about 3 different cultist conversions, some kitbashed Daemon Engines, spawn conversions, etc. Cultists and mutants have been a core part of Chaos forever. In reality, the cult legion books aren't just dedicated to the Legions themselves, but to their gods.  

 

Right, and totally fine. Again, Khorne Daemonkin were right there.

 

The issue I have is these books are billed as "World Eaters" or what have you, but they miss the whole Legion aspect near completely.

 

Which is extremely galling when GW knows how to do it, has done it, and COULD do it, and has now FAILED dramatically to do it, for 2 editions, when the have the prior experience OF DOING IT.

 

Its essentially spiteful at this point.