Grey Knights - 2025' Codex and Nemesis Dreadknight upgrade sprue

[templargdt]

I'd take the current Grey knight infantey kits over any of the primaris range any day.

[Captain Coolpants]

20 hours ago, TheMawr said:

with an upgrade sprue ? how ?

I think he meant the pilot, not the whole mini.

 

 

Edited March 28 by Dr_Ruminahui
Removed accidental duplication

[Shinespider]

I think the banner between the legs helps to add a bit of balance to the silhouette. That's a good addition. And the new melee weapons are neat. 

 

The tiny micro-missiles on the chestpiece look extremely stupid to me, though. 

[TheMawr]

8 hours ago, Captain Coolpants said:

I think he meant the pilot, not the whole mini. 

I think he meant the pilot, not the whole mini. 

 

I get that, but if the Pilot is bigger, the cage also has to be bigger (and thus new bits), if the cage is bigger, it connects to different parts of the dreadknight, so all parts of the chassis that are connected to the cage also need new bits on the sprue. If only vertically it looks to be slightly viable to just update the front, but any bulking horizontally would also require changes to the element on the back. It doesnt seem that simple imho, but I dont know the kit very well, thats why I wonder how. It would have been good if this update isnt just a temporary patch as the cadian upgrade sprue was a year or so before new cadians came out.. that felt really wasteful to me.

 

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

On 3/27/2025 at 8:08 AM, Mogger351 said:

It's actually worse, there's now explosives strapped to the exposed pilot

No, it´s the only reason why it is in fact an improved design. It subtly nudges the collector to do likewise and graft explosives on his own initiative to the frame to celebrate New Year´s Eve. And don´t be afraid that random flying plastic bits will take out your eyes because the Emperor protects. 

[soviet1337]

I like the dreadknight. I built and painted one and I think it looks cool. The new upgrade sprue is a decent enough addition to it. 

[Mr. Oddity]

Army rule and detachment preview went live on WarCom today. Huge emphasis on movement and redeployment, including some interesting options for returning to reserves at the end of the Command Phase or directly out of combat. Unless you have comprehensive screening, this seems like it will be quite a hassle to manage if you're on the other side of the table.

 

Just a sampling:

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[Armchair Warlord]

On 3/27/2025 at 12:39 AM, Tokugawa said:

Adding an upscaled pilot to "mondernize" an old vehicle kit. hmmm…

 

Thank goodness GW didn't make "primaris rhino" in this way.

 

And just to rub it in.................. Have an old dreadnought too, cos' we gotta palm 'em off to you somehow!

 

I loved Grey Knights, up until the whole 'Wardification' fiasco.  And as much as these kits looked great then, as they do now..... And although I fear the day day they get 'primarisised'............ I have to say, with scale creep and the new terminator size. The poor old Grey knights are looking greyer than they ever have before. Alas.

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Armchair Warlord said:

And just to rub it in.................. Have an old dreadnought too, cos' we gotta palm 'em off to you somehow!

 

I loved Grey Knights, up until the whole 'Wardification' fiasco.  And as much as these kits looked great then, as they do now..... And although I fear the day day they get 'primarisised'............ I have to say, with scale creep and the new terminator size. The poor old Grey knights are looking greyer than they ever have before. Alas.

Scale creep? You mean better proportioned?

[Borbarad]

2 hours ago, Armchair Warlord said:

The poor old Grey knights are looking greyer than they ever have before. Alas.

They look like manlets compared to any newer miniature. Range refresh can’t come fast enough. 

Edited July 22 by Borbarad

[Casual Heresy]

1 hour ago, Borbarad said:

They look like manlets compared to any newer miniature. Range refresh can’t come fast enough. 

 

This is why I bought ten pairs of Deathwatch legs when the battleforce was announced. Love my first Grey Knights force from my childhood but I look forward to the range fresh bringing them up to a scale more like the heresy plastics. But a couple of kitbashed strike squads will tide me over until then.

[ZeroWolf]

If rumours are to be true, than 11th might be the one for Grey Knights

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

Just the supplement and an upgrade sprue for one miniature.

 

A bit sad and poor in my opinion but at least the current army collections are quite stable,right?

[Evil Eye]

1 hour ago, HeadlessCross said:

Scale creep? You mean better proportioned?

Scale =/= proportions. And there has absolutely been scale creep across 40K; even putting aside the decision to make Chaos Space Marines true-scale and their loyalist counterparts slightly oversized whilst also getting an embarassing change of wardrobe and surplus vehicles from G.I. Joe, baseline humans are now drastically bigger than they used to be, to the point that the older human models actually scale better with newer Astartes than the newer ones (Sisters and Necromunda models are particularly egregious, the former needing 32mm bases).

 

I would agree that new, better-scaled Grey Knights would be nice (even if I'll be very, very sad to see the back of the old kit because of how much stuff it has in it) but I am dreading the possibility of them deciding to make them cross the Rubicon rather than just, you know, upscaling the existing designs.

 

There's also the whole argument as to how necessary the whole scale-creep thing actually was; proportions are always going to be somewhat exaggerated on 28mm heroic scale minis by necessity of both visual recognition and durability, and how good those stylized proportions look is always going to be a subjective thing. Case in point, this lovely old thing here:

He's definitely not realistically proportioned, but he looks pretty fantastic, and definitely reads as having been made by a skilled sculptor with a particular artistic style in mind, rather than having been simply poorly sculpted. By contrast, we have Coteaz here, who is (slightly) more realistically proportioned than the Colonel, but, well...

Ouch. In fact I'd argue artistically speaking he's a straight downgrade from his older, more stylized metal sculpt!

 

And aside from proportions, even aiming for true scale is a debatable/subjective goal. Case in point, vehicles- historical wargames, which depict real armies using real vehicles that were actually used in real wars, often downsize vehicles a bit relative to the infantry just to make the game more playable. So when you have larger-than-life fictional vehicles crewed by 7-foot superhumans in bulky power armour, true-scaling everything at 28mm would make the game borderline unplayable. And in fact, it sort of already has; the scale creep of vehicles in recent years (as an example, the utterly baffling decision to stick the Sentinel on a bigger base) combined with the way terrain is handled now, means that tables have to be kept much more sparsely set up to accomodate the enormous footprints of modern models. Also not helped by people taking the rather small recommended table sizes as gospel and refusing to deviate from them, but I digress.

 

I could go on but TLDR, it's considerably more complicated than just new models having "better proportions".

[DemonGSides]

Picking Coteaz as some herald of the current model philosophy is both funny and sad. No one's looking at Coteaz and being happy about it. Also no one's legs are twice the length of the rest of their body so I'm REALLY not sure why you think it's a paragon of good model design; unless your position is that ALL older sculpts are inherently better, at which point... Yikes. 

 

Instead of comparing Cadian Commander to a Cadian commander you had to go search out a whole different faction.  I wonder why? 

[W.A.Rorie]

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[templargdt]

Love my.currwnt Grey knight models do not want them updated (they will be)

[Marshal Reinhard]

Its like people forget we already have a better proportioned grey knight in Castellan Crowe

[W.A.Rorie]

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TOPIC is Grey Knights not scale of Astra Militarum or Coteaz

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Edited Thursday at 02:36 PM by W.A.Rorie

[Evil Eye]

Whilst the chances of it actually happening are pretty slim as the Dreadknight (ugh) exists already, I feel like the Grey Knights would actually be justified with a Redemptor-sized Dreadnought variant; given their whole thing is killing daemons, a Dreadnought intended to battle Greater Daemons would be pretty cool. Basically the old FW Dread but scaled up to Redemptor class would be nice.

[Vassakov]

https://imgur.com/a/gk-U30NhFn

 

And Dragio's gone. Techmarine survives, bizarrely.

[HeadlessCross]

3 minutes ago, Vassakov said:

https://imgur.com/a/gk-U30NhFn

 

And Dragio's gone. Techmarine survives, bizarrely.

Damn, was hoping there would be more leaks here. 

I like that GW is replacing what the Rhino does in various armies. 

 

While Fights First on the Champ will be missed, Advance + Charge is always super good, and you simply have to pick charging a unit that doesn't have Fights First. 

[W.A.Rorie]

Damn so Draigo, Stern and Servitors are the 3 dropped

 

[Vassakov]

17 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Damn, was hoping there would be more leaks here. 

 

There were, I just missed the second link 

https://imgur.com/a/grey-knights-leaked-codex-0HrctBL

Edited Wednesday at 06:01 PM by Vassakov

[Borbarad]

22 minutes ago, Vassakov said:

https://imgur.com/a/gk-U30NhFn

 

And Dragio's gone. Techmarine survives, bizarrely.

Thanks brother!

 

I completely forgot that those flyers exist.
 

Finecast model phase out is unfortunate but unsurprising.