Grey Knights - 2025' Codex and Nemesis Dreadknight upgrade sprue

[Evil Eye]

9 minutes ago, Xirix said:

That kitbash looks awesome. I assume the Saturnine Dread is basically the same size as the Dreadknight then? I assume a little bit bigger but not really enough to cause issue?

Pretty much bang on height wise, certainly not different enough to cause issues with line of sight or whatever.

[INKS]

so how many of you have started a new GK force because of this release? How many have given it up for now and now many are still waiting?

[jaxom]

16 minutes ago, INKS said:

so how many of you have started a new GK force because of this release? How many have given it up for now and now many are still waiting?

I’m waiting for refreshed infantry.

[Borbarad]

15 minutes ago, INKS said:

so how many of you have started a new GK force because of this release? How many have given it up for now and now many are still waiting?

I had GK since the 4th or 5th edition and took the occasion to pick up some 3rd party minis to update my range. 
 

Codex is not inspiring but not terrible if you already had an existing force. 

[Muck1ng]

17 minutes ago, INKS said:

so how many of you have started a new GK force because of this release? How many have given it up for now and now many are still waiting?

I think once they get upscales I might start a force. 

[MoriyaSchism]

1 hour ago, INKS said:

so how many of you have started a new GK force because of this release? How many have given it up for now and now many are still waiting?

I was tempted to get the combat patrol for the old Venerable Dreadnought and the bits but I decided against it. Any plans for a future Grey Knights project are shelved at the moment. I will be building one Grey Knights model (remaking my avatar image with modern parts) while I wait for the refresh. I'm moving ahead with a small Exorcists force I have planned. 

[INKS]

I think a lot of us, myself included are in the waiting for refresh boat... 

[Marshal Reinhard]

I own a single grey knight model, Castellan Crowe. By comparison the other current grey knight models are pretty much the only old style proportioned marines left, and it doesn't do them any favors.

 

Getting them now would be like getting the currently on offer Assault Terminators. Why would you?

[HeadlessCross]

16 minutes ago, INKS said:

I think a lot of us, myself included are in the waiting for refresh boat... 

I think an actual model refresh is less important because 3rd party sellers will always be out there. I have some Tortuga Mk3 bodies that I use for everything, including sticking Grey Knight arms on them for various purposes. 

 

I think lazy rules are the biggest travesty of the "release". Rules come and go, but you're never forced to use GW's actual models.

[INKS]

I suppose that is on the person. I try not to use 3rd party anything. maybe some heads or something. 

[HeadlessCross]

32 minutes ago, INKS said:

I suppose that is on the person. I try not to use 3rd party anything. maybe some heads or something. 

You trying not to doesn't mean the option isn't there though. That are self imposed limitations you decided to give yourself. 

[INKS]

46 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

You trying not to doesn't mean the option isn't there though. That are self imposed limitations you decided to give yourself. 

I fully understand that. I didn't say otherwise. they are also limitation GW gives me if I want to play at one of their events. which I would like to.

[Silas7]

19 hours ago, ThePenitentOne said:

The Goonhammer Crusade review is up: https://www.goonhammer.com/the-codex-grey-knights-10th-edition-crusade-rules-review

 

They completely revamped the Crusade rules, zooming out the scale to focus on wider issues- kinda the way Eldar zoomed out the scale on the path system. In this dex, it sounds like the minigame will actually really interact with your agendas. Also, Psychic fortitudes are back... But of course they feel a bit flat, simply because 10th's psychic rules as a whole are a bit flat.

 

 

 

I know you were a big crusade guy back in 9th and that was a major reason for you staying in that edition; do these new crusade rules do enough to bring you back?

[ThePenitentOne]

The short answer is yes- I am playing 10th, and while there are things I don't like about it, overall, I'm having fun.

 

I like the large scale Crusade rules for GK, and I'll probably pick up the dex. I think what's really interesting though is that Crusade content is more edition agnostic than other types of rules... So there's no reason we can't use 9th ed Crusade rules for GK IN ADDITION to the new big picture stuff. And in fact, there may be ways to integrate the two sets of rules.

 

As I mentioned in the first post, GW did a similar thing for Aeldari- zooming out to the big picture... And I mentioned I'd like to find a way to bring back SOME of the old content for them too. But it's harder, because the Path system IS addressed in the 10th ed content at the new scale. The GK's daemonic Nemesis doesn't conflict with 10th ed rules in the same way that 9th ed Path rules clash with 10th ed Path rules.

 

Interestingly enough, the other faction that needs its 9th ed Crusade content is the Arch Nemesis of the GK: Daemons.

 

Depriving them of codex, of course, deprives them of bespoke Crusade content, and instead of stepping up and giving us something that the game actually NEEDS, WD is instead giving us a Marine issue. The Great Game rules in 9th were fantastic, and had a lot of application in terms of influencing the narrative of a campaign.

 

 

[HeadlessCross]

9 hours ago, INKS said:

I fully understand that. I didn't say otherwise. they are also limitation GW gives me if I want to play at one of their events. which I would like to.

Giving yourself that limitation because of just wanting to do a GW event is fairly absurd. 

[INKS]

5 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Giving yourself that limitation because of just wanting to do a GW event is fairly absurd. 

Matter of opinion. I also said it was a contributing factor and not the only reason. 

We can strip this back down to the beginning though if you like.

 

"

I think an actual model refresh is less important because 3rd party sellers will always be out there. I have some Tortuga Mk3 bodies that I use for everything, including sticking Grey Knight arms on them for various purposes. 

 

I think lazy rules are the biggest travesty of the "release". Rules come and go, but you're never forced to use GW's actual models."

 

So new models or a model refresh isn't that important. (to you) Because there is a sea of possibilities out there that someone else has worked on provided for you and are happy with. Which is great. pretty models are important.

 

Now "LAZY" rules writing then is the real culprit here and the problem. According to you. "Rules come and go", I agree and say it all the time. You aren't forced to use GWs rules any more than you are forced to use their mini's. 

 

Don't want to use the mini's find some place that allows you to use 3rd party prints. which is far more common now.

Don't like the rules? find some place that uses the rules you like. 8th edition. 6th edition, whatever that might be. 

You are adhering to one set of guidelines because it's easier to and you agree with it. You are not adhering to the other because it's more difficult to find others who share that view and want to play at your parameters. 

 

So it's absurd to you that I want to follow the rules and participate in GW events. But it isn't absurd that you don't want to?

 

[Evil Eye]

Rules are temporary, models are forever, as they say. If the eventual GK refresh is actually good and faithful, you don't have to run them with the current rules if they suck. There's countless alternative rulesets out there, not to mention older editions.

 

My personal fear is that the refresh comes and either they lean too hard into Primaris nonsense or heavily strip back equipment and posing options. Or both, knowing GW.

[HeadlessCross]

8 hours ago, INKS said:

Matter of opinion. I also said it was a contributing factor and not the only reason. 

We can strip this back down to the beginning though if you like.

 

"

I think an actual model refresh is less important because 3rd party sellers will always be out there. I have some Tortuga Mk3 bodies that I use for everything, including sticking Grey Knight arms on them for various purposes. 

 

I think lazy rules are the biggest travesty of the "release". Rules come and go, but you're never forced to use GW's actual models."

 

So new models or a model refresh isn't that important. (to you) Because there is a sea of possibilities out there that someone else has worked on provided for you and are happy with. Which is great. pretty models are important.

 

Now "LAZY" rules writing then is the real culprit here and the problem. According to you. "Rules come and go", I agree and say it all the time. You aren't forced to use GWs rules any more than you are forced to use their mini's. 

 

Don't want to use the mini's find some place that allows you to use 3rd party prints. which is far more common now.

Don't like the rules? find some place that uses the rules you like. 8th edition. 6th edition, whatever that might be. 

You are adhering to one set of guidelines because it's easier to and you agree with it. You are not adhering to the other because it's more difficult to find others who share that view and want to play at your parameters. 

 

So it's absurd to you that I want to follow the rules and participate in GW events. But it isn't absurd that you don't want to?

 

It isn't because it allows me to actually make the models I want vs waiting for a refresh that might not even be necessarily good. If the price of that is not participating in a GAMES WORKSHOP OFFICIAL EVENT, that's more than a reasonable price. It isn't like that event provides anything you can't find anywhere else. 

[Jukkiz]

2 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

Rules are temporary, models are forever, as they say. If the eventual GK refresh is actually good and faithful, you don't have to run them with the current rules if they suck. There's countless alternative rulesets out there, not to mention older editions.

 

My personal fear is that the refresh comes and either they lean too hard into Primaris nonsense or heavily strip back equipment and posing options. Or both, knowing GW.

my opinion about GK is that Primarinades should stay out. If you gonna primarinade something then it´s named characters

[phandaal]

4 minutes ago, Jukkiz said:

my opinion about GK is that Primarinades should stay out. If you gonna primarinade something then it´s named characters

 

Grey Knights would be a weird one to Primarimate. They are already "Space Marines++" using the Emperor's own genetic material, and their equipment is all customized from standard Space Marine gear. They were never generic Space Marines in the first place.

 

Maybe the explanation would be that whatever part of the Grey Knights' process still corresponds to what normal Space Marine chapters do has been replaced with the Primaris version.

[INKS]

You can also upscale them without getting into the whole primaris or not. Crowe is a good example. 

[DemonGSides]

Or the BT castellan who is now keyworded for Tacticus but upon release was basically a "Treat it however you want".

If GK stayed 'firstborn' and just got truescaled, that's fine too.

[Interrogator Stobz]

On 8/1/2025 at 2:49 AM, INKS said:

so how many of you have started a new GK force because of this release? How many have given it up for now and now many are still waiting?

I had a squad of GK termies, just because they look cool and to constantly tempt me to start up a full army. Gave up that idea once Primaris became a thing because I don't want another mini marine army. 

Just sold them, am now waiting for the refresh..............  ......... ........ .......

[phandaal]

4 hours ago, INKS said:

You can also upscale them without getting into the whole primaris or not. Crowe is a good example. 

 

Based on the upscales GW did for some Mk 7 stuff with Space Wolves, Sternguard, and recent characters, Grey Knights could end up being one of the coolest new ranges if they got that same level of attention. The guy who did the Saturnine dreadknight also proved how great a proxy would be for that unit.

 

Pulled out my old GK rulebook today to leaf through and was reminded that they can field psyker chaplains. Got me thinking about how badass the new Terminator Chaplain would look painted up in GK style. The question as always is what other project would I have to give up to get it done? 

 

Edited August 1 by phandaal

[HeadlessCross]

4 hours ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

I had a squad of GK termies, just because they look cool and to constantly tempt me to start up a full army. Gave up that idea once Primaris became a thing because I don't want another mini marine army. 

Just sold them, am now waiting for the refresh..............  ......... ........ .......

There seems to be an aversion to 3rd party providers in this thread. There's many great Marine bitz out there to use!