New 40k Roadmap

[CL_Mission]

At the bottom of the Space Wolves article from this morning's preview we have a slightly updated roadmap for upcoming 40k releases. 

Space wolves have entered the mix breaking up the Chaos releases and Leagues of Votann have moved onto the board (I'm pretty sure that's them on the right), Imperial knights have also made a return having vanished from the last roadmap.

What's interesting though is that in the 'on the horizon' section we now have two spots for codex marines. The rumours (provided by the good Mr.Valrak) are that they're getting a handful of character for the non divergent chapters and I had assumed the Salamander pictured in the previous roadmap represented them all since I expected them to get released together rather than be strung out over several months (I was under the impression there is no books coming with them, maybe I'm wrong there). But this new map suggests they might have their own slots, could it be something else?

 

Here is the previous roadmap for comparison.

[TheMawr]

I think they are supplements now yes, the teaser for the future is apparently a ravenguard one. And I doubt if its just the miniatures they would include them seperated like this.

LoV also entered the mix.

So only one not on the horizong, beyond white scars and Iron hands supplements, is dark eldar... Im getting really convinced the end of edition campaign will involve commoragh in some way... from dark eldar being the last release, to commoragh being one of 3 settings for the open submissions ( other 2 being Vigilus and Armageddon.. wich led to the now correct speculation another armageddon narrative was coming up.)

 

With how sparse the AoS release schedule is, Im almost wondering if this sunday next week preorder will be rest of EC instead of SBGL, then 13-4 Thousand sons+Space wolves, and 27-4 World eaters+Deathguard... rest of spacewolves following 2 weeks after that.

 

 

edit :

Also commoragh, being in the webway could also tie in with previous Vashtorr narratives.. with Old one elements to the story being able to lead into something to do with Orks for 11th edition.

 

second edit :

 

I missed you already called out LoV, its this image :

Edited March 27 by TheMawr

[StrangerOrders]

Far as Votann, I get a feeling the HQ will be a new Pira-erm... sorry, 'Prospector' captain. Seems like the most reasonable HQ Niche to fill.

 

If they go for a wave then robots would be beyond hype. 

 

Marines are probably a tee for Valrak's predictions, new Codex Compliant Chars.

[sairence]

At least Imperial Knights exist again. Unlike in the previous one, where they had just disappeared after EC took their slot. 

[NTaW]

What's the pace for releases these days, is the consensus we'll be seeing one of these pictured releases each month into next year or is this a 2025 roadmap?

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

52 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

I think they are supplements now yes, the teaser for the future is apparently a ravenguard one. And I doubt if its just the miniatures they would include them seperated like this.

LoV also entered the mix.

So only one not on the horizong, beyond white scars and Iron hands supplements, is dark eldar...

 

March 27th, 2025.

 

They said it would never happen.

 

But someone FINALLY managed to forget that Ultramarines exist.

[Ripper.McGuirl]

I still kind of suspect a re-inventing of the 3rd edition box set with Templars and Dark Eldar. Some time ago they rereleased it as a MtO, and they also did a whole battle report on WHTV that was using one of the old 3rd ed missions, templars, and dark eldar.

[Mogger351]

Call me hopeful, call me naive, but the 'nilla chapters copping supplements late in the day is very 8th-9th transition. Which makes me assume 11th will indeed work with existing dexes.

 

Which in turn means that flexible unit sizes aren't coming back, it's possible gear cost could however.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

9 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Call me hopeful, call me naive, but the 'nilla chapters copping supplements late in the day is very 8th-9th transition. Which makes me assume 11th will indeed work with existing dexes.

 

Which in turn means that flexible unit sizes aren't coming back, it's possible gear cost could however.

Flexible squad sizes could still return in 11th, they’ll just update the app if it’s not in the upcoming supplements as a preview of what’s to come.

[Mogger351]

19 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Flexible squad sizes could still return in 11th, they’ll just update the app if it’s not in the upcoming supplements as a preview of what’s to come.

It would literally invalidate every unit entry near enough, they might as well index at that point.

[Emperor Ming]

New cards as well yay

 

[DemonGSides]

14 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

It would literally invalidate every unit entry near enough, they might as well index at that point.

 

I really don't see how that's possibly true. Points are kept in a separate stand alone document as is. If they just listed maximum unit sizes and then priced them per model, they can still do this halfway power level experiment they have been running while also giving more flexibility to squad sizes.

 

I don't think it's gonna happen, but it could. If they added wargear costs back in that would come closer to invalidating things, but not PPM. 

[phandaal]

2 hours ago, TheMawr said:

Also commoragh, being in the webway could also tie in with previous Vashtorr narratives.. with Old one elements to the story being able to lead into something to do with Orks for 11th edition.

 

According to the Inquisitor Crowl/Interrogator Spinoza books, there is something else brewing in Commoragh that is pretty huge for the 40k universe. I could see that getting brought up in connection with Wormwood as the next big McGuffin.

[TheMawr]

2 hours ago, Lord Nord in Gravis Armour said:

 

March 27th, 2025.

 

They said it would never happen.

 

But someone FINALLY managed to forget that Ultramarines exist.

 

Its probably because all those visual database things I make and update regularily as part of my (weird) hobby experience, and while I have all other chapters as a seperate category, for equality sake I threat Ultramarine named characters as the Spacemarine named characters.. so none of my files have an "Ultramarine" tag.. so yes, completely forgot they exist 

[Indy Techwisp]

2 hours ago, Lord Nord in Gravis Armour said:

 

March 27th, 2025.

 

They said it would never happen.

 

But someone FINALLY managed to forget that Ultramarines exist.

 

Base Loyalist Space Marines are Ultramarines tho.

[CL_Mission]

Additionally there was this tease during the stream that @TheMawr mentioned, it was described as "shadowy" and it looks like someone on reddit found the source of the silhouette. The same sort of thing happened with Space Wolves, a shadow was teased that matched existing artwork.

 

 

4 hours ago, TheMawr said:

So only one not on the horizong, beyond white scars and Iron hands supplements, is dark eldar... Im getting really convinced the end of edition campaign will involve commoragh in some way... from dark eldar being the last release, to commoragh being one of 3 settings for the open submissions ( other 2 being Vigilus and Armageddon.. wich led to the now correct speculation another armageddon narrative was coming up.)

Up until now I haven't really expected much to accompany the Drukhari codex and I'm still not fully convinced we're getting anything substantial but the new kill team box has me a little more optimistic. I know we already had Mandrakes as a refreshed unit released through Kill Team but so far we're getting all new sets and no exiting-set-with-upgrade-sprue type kill teams so that makes me hopeful we might actually see something new for Drukhari released in this fashion, Court of the Archon maybe.

Edited March 27 by CL_Mission

[ThePenitentOne]

5 hours ago, TheMawr said:

So only one not on the horizon, beyond white scars and Iron hands supplements, is dark eldar... Im getting really convinced the end of edition campaign will involve commoragh in some way... from dark eldar being the last release, to commoragh being one of 3 settings for the open submissions

 

I want to thank you for this post. The lack of Drukhari on the map had me nervous- many units have been ported to the Aeldari dex under the auspices of Ynarri, and for a heartbeat or two, I thought GW might be on the verge of making a very big mistake and squatting their dex. I think Commorragh is an excellent setting, and I've always wanted a mini-game/ campaign. I could see a Warhammer Quest game or a Kill Team Season in Commorragh. Their Crusade rules from 9th do half of the heavy lifting by themselves.

 

The lack of rumors or information around Drukhari and the support shown to regular Aeldari were other contributing factors to my fear. 

 

I like your idea that the radio silence is due to tansition/ campaign shenanigans much, much better. 

[Nephaston]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Base Loyalist Space Marines are Ultramarines tho.

Kind of, but also not quite. Sure ultras are the default in marketing, but with how the ruleset works all detachments are non-specific and subfaction selection only happens when picking subfaction specific units.

 

To use the usual ice cream analogy; playing loyalist marines is to use an unflavoured ice cream base, taking an Ultramarine character adds vanilla flavour,.

 

At least until GW changes it again.

[Ripper.McGuirl]

1 hour ago, ThePenitentOne said:

 

I want to thank you for this post. The lack of Drukhari on the map had me nervous- many units have been ported to the Aeldari dex under the auspices of Ynarri, and for a heartbeat or two, I thought GW might be on the verge of making a very big mistake and squatting their dex. I think Commorragh is an excellent setting, and I've always wanted a mini-game/ campaign. I could see a Warhammer Quest game or a Kill Team Season in Commorragh. Their Crusade rules from 9th do half of the heavy lifting by themselves.

 

The lack of rumors or information around Drukhari and the support shown to regular Aeldari were other contributing factors to my fear. 

 

I like your idea that the radio silence is due to tansition/ campaign shenanigans much, much better. 

There was also the incredibly cool Khan + Commorragh artwork from one of the recent art/lore books. I think it was first founding.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

10 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

It would literally invalidate every unit entry near enough, they might as well index at that point.

How would it invalidate anything at all? It would just change the number models you could have in a unit…an easy update to the app…

[Alby the Slayer]

I'm thorn between wanting something new model wise for Drukhari and dreading what GW could do revamping models..

 

Also I think people are reading too much in the Salamanders/Raven Guard release. I think it will be just a model but for the fans of these chapters, like me. I hope I'm wrong.

[Mogger351]

2 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

How would it invalidate anything at all? It would just change the number models you could have in a unit…an easy update to the app…

Because nearly every single printed datasheet would be wrong.

[Karhedron]

54 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Because nearly every single printed datasheet would be wrong.

 

I don't think it would though. Look at the Intercessor datasheet below and there is nothing that implies a 5/10 squad size. The squad contains 4-9 Intercessor + Sergeant. For every 5 models you can have an AGL. The 5/10 restriction is in the Munitorum Field Manual because it does not give prices per model.

 

If GW wanted to bring back variable squad sizes, it would just be a change to the MFM. I don't think any datasheets would be invalidated.

 

[ZeroWolf]

I think we'll start hearing rumours about 11ths actual rules in the latter half of the year onwards as well as those kinds of "my uncle works at GW and said blah blah blah" fake posts just to keep things interesting.

[Mogger351]

5 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

I don't think it would though. Look at the Intercessor datasheet below and there is nothing that implies a 5/10 squad size. The squad contains 4-9 Intercessor + Sergeant. For every 5 models you can have an AGL. The 5/10 restriction is in the Munitorum Field Manual because it does not give prices per model.

 

If GW wanted to bring back variable squad sizes, it would just be a change to the MFM. I don't think any datasheets would be invalidated.

 

Fair point!