New 40k Roadmap

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

9 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

Because nearly every single printed datasheet would be wrong.

Pretty much all of the datasheets that actually see use are already wrong any way…that’s the point of the app…all changes get updated immediately or nearly immediately all at once in one place…

a line saying 3 marines X points or 6 marines Y points being changed doesn’t remotely invalidate the whole data sheet let alone justify indexes again.

 

 

Edited March 28 by W.A.Rorie
Removed inappropriate comment

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Pretty much all of the datasheets that actually see use are already wrong any way…that’s the point of the app…all changes get updated immediately or nearly immediately all at once in one place…

a line saying 3 marines X points or 6 marines Y points being changed doesn’t remotely invalidate the whole data sheet let alone justify indexes again.

 

 

It does necessitate everyone who uses physical media transitioning to the GW app though, so you might have a point.

[Wispy]

was ruminating, seems like GW's business is too volatile to actually provide a reliable roadmap. keeps changing, probably for good reasons, but its frustrating to see it shift all the time if it's not transparent.

[Dark Shepherd]

If theyve made World Easter warcom posts before, then 3 chaos boxes and supplements pre order 1st weekend in April? Or Easter weekend which is 3rd week in April.

 

Then Wolves 1st or 3rd weekend in May?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

It does necessitate everyone who uses physical media transitioning to the GW app though, so you might have a point.

God forbid people transition to a free app…or they just download the errata like they’re already doing anyway.

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

It does necessitate everyone who uses physical media transitioning to the GW app though, so you might have a point.

 

If you play with any sort of points, you already have to use one of their digital venues.

We could have PPM in the Munitorum field manual and it wouldn't change anything for what datasheets say.  Datasheets give their maximum unit sizes, it's the Field Manual that hands out their appropriate points.  Wouldn't need the app, per se, just be willing to look at a webpage to get the new points.

[ThePenitentOne]

4 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

If you play with any sort of points, you already have to use one of their digital venues.

We could have PPM in the Munitorum field manual and it wouldn't change anything for what datasheets say.  Datasheets give their maximum unit sizes, it's the Field Manual that hands out their appropriate points.  Wouldn't need the app, per se, just be willing to look at a webpage to get the new points.

For units that have costs listed for 5 or 10 models in the Munitorum manual usually have that written as This unit may include 5-10 models on their datasheet. I've always taken this to mean 5 is the minimum, 10 is the maximum. You ALWAYS can take a squad of 8 if you really want too, but nobody ever does because you'd have to pay for 10, so you'd be ripping yourself off. That's a Munitorum Field Manual issue, not a datacard. The could make this change GAME WIDE overnight without even waiting for an edition change.

[DemonGSides]

12 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

For units that have costs listed for 5 or 10 models in the Munitorum manual usually have that written as This unit may include 5-10 models on their datasheet. I've always taken this to mean 5 is the minimum, 10 is the maximum. You ALWAYS can take a squad of 8 if you really want too, but nobody ever does because you'd have to pay for 10, so you'd be ripping yourself off. That's a Munitorum Field Manual issue, not a datacard. The could make this change GAME WIDE overnight without even waiting for an edition change.

 

Yeah I'm with you.  There's no invalidation if they WANTED to go to Points Per Model.  I do agree that pointing out wargear would be a much BIGGER change, but also doable.  It would probably have to be individual documents per faction just to save time.  But definitely doable and not something that would invalidate the current datasheets.

 

That being said, some units don't have the 4-9 distinction, some (like a lot of the IG infantry) have just 1 and 9 or 2 and 18, but even that wouldn't be hard to put into the MFM if they really wanted to.

Edited March 29 by DemonGSides

[TheMawr]

Looking at the roadmaps artwork hinting at the spacemarine chapter images ( wich some think are supplements ) got me thinking.. its a weird thing for just 6 solo miniatures to be so mapped and spread out ( with clearly other releases in between.) And besides the rumors indicating no supplements, there is another thing behaving like that, wich should be on the horizon as well... The salamander one would likely not be before august.. probably more september or october.. wich makes me wonder..

 

What if these ARE the end of edition campaign books ? Taking more from psychic awakening than Gathering storm/Arks of Omen, 6 (?) Books focusing on the 6 different Spacemarine characters+their chapters latest narrative as well as the allies and more likely enemies in their story. ( after all trazyn and huron, both also rumored and good campaign book candidates each have a history of being a villain to some of the rumored characters... ) ofcourse bigger plots might be linked within.

 

For example book 1 is about vulkans quest for the unbound flame, having a run in with Trazynn and a LoV salvage crew ( because codex timing ) on the planet zero... accompanied by Vulkan, Trazyn and some LoV  named salvager.

And "relic quest" capture the flag gameplay mode.

 

Then book 2 is about Lysander vs their favorite enemies the iron warriors.. wich also has some narrative links to vashtor. In this case the release is just  Lysander and generic assault terminators. And siege gameplay mode.

 

Book 3 a return of Sharrowkyn ( didnt know him before the rumor though) in a three way battle story  between Ravenguard, Emperors children and Eldritch raiders ( the accompanied release being Sharrowkyn, as well as Yriel and his jump pack corsairs. And air battles gameplay mode ( ok so maybe not emperors children.. Nightlords?)

 

The above 3 are just quick examples to explain the extend of the idea. Not a prediction or even an educated guess ( as im not very educated in spacemarine lore ) but i could see the rough idea being what these images on the roadmap mean. Timing and pacing would fit. Also the 6 with questionmark is because I could see either Pedro Kantor ( coming last, heralding 11th edition Orks) make 7, or DA,BA and Spacewolves make 9 ( like Psychic awakening ) 

 

Still think this could be in addition to my theory of  one being against the backdrop of commoragh ( the white scar one, a character searching for jaghatai khan ? ) 

[FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants]

8 hours ago, ThePenitentOne said:

For units that have costs listed for 5 or 10 models in the Munitorum manual usually have that written as This unit may include 5-10 models on their datasheet. I've always taken this to mean 5 is the minimum, 10 is the maximum. You ALWAYS can take a squad of 8 if you really want too, but nobody ever does because you'd have to pay for 10, so you'd be ripping yourself off. That's a Munitorum Field Manual issue, not a datacard. The could make this change GAME WIDE overnight without even waiting for an edition change.

The only reason as it stands that you'd take 9 models in a squad that's 5-10 is that you want have a leader character join a squad and be able to  squeeze into a transport. Whether or not that's worthwhile is up to each individual player.

[Doctor Perils]

On 3/27/2025 at 11:53 PM, Ripper.McGuirl said:

There was also the incredibly cool Khan + Commorragh artwork from one of the recent art/lore books. I think it was first founding.

To add to this train of thought:

- the recent black library contest had 3 allowable settings: vigilus, Comorragh and Armageddon. The latter's crusade supplement has been teased, imo too early to be sole focus of the end of edition campaign. The other two could very well be up for grabs

- There's a lot of rumours around a Corsair boxset, who could more readily feature in a comorragh storyline than the other two

- there were a few murmurings about prophecies of the Khagan (foilrak and such)

- the last few editions had the last faction to get a codex feature heavily in the end of campaign storyline

[TheMawr]

1 hour ago, Doctor Perils said:

- There's a lot of rumours around a Corsair boxset, who could more readily feature in a comorragh storyline than the other two

 

 

While I agree with the rest, Vigilus is actually a more likely candidate for the corsairs appearance, especially as one of the rumored corsair releases is Yriel, who always was ( but in the eldar codex is doubled down to be only that now, distanced from Iyanden.) the leader of the Eldritch raiders who are active participants in the Nachmund gauntlet.

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/SpCehfvu/lvo-2022-aeldari-corsairs-plunder-the-nachmund-gauntlet-in-kill-teams-next-expansion/

 

Corsairs pop up in small arks of omens stories as well, and obviously Yriel can always be summoned back to aid Iyanden in a Tyranid involved storyline.

 

Besides the obvious eldar connection and peoples expectation of pirates+pirates, GWs incarnation of corsairs have so far suprisingly few narrative arks involving dark eldar or commoragh. Dont mean it cant naturally happen, but the corsair rumor is, suprisingly, one of the weakest links to commoragh.

[Emperor Ming]

Spend more get less, thats the GW road map isnt it?

 

 

Edited March 29 by Emperor Ming

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

14 hours ago, TheMawr said:

Looking at the roadmaps artwork hinting at the spacemarine chapter images ( wich some think are supplements ) got me thinking.. its a weird thing for just 6 solo miniatures to be so mapped and spread out ( with clearly other releases in between.) And besides the rumors indicating no supplements, there is another thing behaving like that, wich should be on the horizon as well... The salamander one would likely not be before august.. probably more september or october.. wich makes me wonder..

 

What if these ARE the end of edition campaign books ? Taking more from psychic awakening than Gathering storm/Arks of Omen, 6 (?) Books focusing on the 6 different Spacemarine characters+their chapters latest narrative as well as the allies and more likely enemies in their story. ( after all trazyn and huron, both also rumored and good campaign book candidates each have a history of being a villain to some of the rumored characters... ) ofcourse bigger plots might be linked within.

 

For example book 1 is about vulkans quest for the unbound flame, having a run in with Trazynn and a LoV salvage crew ( because codex timing ) on the planet zero... accompanied by Vulkan, Trazyn and some LoV  named salvager.

And "relic quest" capture the flag gameplay mode.

 

Then book 2 is about Lysander vs their favorite enemies the iron warriors.. wich also has some narrative links to vashtor. In this case the release is just  Lysander and generic assault terminators. And siege gameplay mode.

 

Book 3 a return of Sharrowkyn ( didnt know him before the rumor though) in a three way battle story  between Ravenguard, Emperors children and Eldritch raiders ( the accompanied release being Sharrowkyn, as well as Yriel and his jump pack corsairs. And air battles gameplay mode ( ok so maybe not emperors children.. Nightlords?)

 

The above 3 are just quick examples to explain the extend of the idea. Not a prediction or even an educated guess ( as im not very educated in spacemarine lore ) but i could see the rough idea being what these images on the roadmap mean. Timing and pacing would fit. Also the 6 with questionmark is because I could see either Pedro Kantor ( coming last, heralding 11th edition Orks) make 7, or DA,BA and Spacewolves make 9 ( like Psychic awakening ) 

 

Still think this could be in addition to my theory of  one being against the backdrop of commoragh ( the white scar one, a character searching for jaghatai khan ? ) 

Have they ever put a campaign book into a road map before? Not that I can recall, so seems unlikely.

 

just because something wasn’t rumored doesn’t mean anything.

[HeadlessCross]

20 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Yeah I'm with you.  There's no invalidation if they WANTED to go to Points Per Model.  I do agree that pointing out wargear would be a much BIGGER change, but also doable.  It would probably have to be individual documents per faction just to save time.  But definitely doable and not something that would invalidate the current datasheets.

 

That being said, some units don't have the 4-9 distinction, some (like a lot of the IG infantry) have just 1 and 9 or 2 and 18, but even that wouldn't be hard to put into the MFM if they really wanted to.

I'd forgive free wargear five times over if individual model costs return. 

[TheMawr]

8 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Have they ever put a campaign book into a road map before? Not that I can recall, so seems unlikely.

 

just because something wasn’t rumored doesn’t mean anything.

 

They did, the last time they did an end of edition campaign (for AoS) the books where on the roadmap. The first where shown at Adepticon 2023 actually, but they where presented as blanco books with no info and details. Later in summer expanding upon them being the end of edition campaign books. Horus heresy roadmaps also had campaign books, but I guess thats because horus heresy kind of revolves around those as opposed to the codex/battletome system.

 

2022's Arks of Omen did not pop up on 40k roadmaps, wich where always explicitely called codex roadmaps ( not that I think it means much that the new ones are not called codex roadmaps in this context.) though it didnt really apply as the campaign and the purpose of a roadmap didnt overlap ( campaign started in a year where there was no need for a codex roadmap anymore, as the existing armies had all been done the year prior.)

 

From what I can gather both Psychic awakening and Broken realms existed in a time predating roadmaps.. hard to imagine nowadays that there was a time we didnt have them

Armageddon however is not on the 40k roadmap either (nor has crusade content ever been, though similar sudden drops evaded the usually all inclusive AoS roadmaps as well), so there is that.

 

short version, end of edition campaign books not being on a 40k roadmap before (like indeed, the absence of rumors the other way around.) doesnt mean anything, especially not with how fickle GW can be. They regularily mimic things in 40k they have been doing in AoS before (half the discussion in this thread concerns just that.) 

It could be supplements, it could be codexes, it could be end of edition campaign books or it could be just a tease of a miniature or battleforce, we dont know, but we can freely speculate either way.