Space Marine Codex 2.0

[Chapter Master Valrak]

Did I video going over this and other things, main thing I am hearing, new Space Marine Codex coming, this will launch with a bunch of new HQ models.

 

Video if anyone cares to watch, enjoy!

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Nephaston]

I'm sure the prospect of even more space marine marine releases will go over well for everyone.

[Northern Walker]

Even as a marine player, a codex 2.0 before some people get 1.0 is in poor taste I think.

With that out of the way, is this going to be a release of major kit updates, because I can't see 4-5 characters being enough to justify a new book.

[Nephaston]

Upgrade kits are actually a good shout, and keeping parity with the ones that DA, BA, BT, and presumably soon SW have would be much more digestible than a whole bunch of unit refreshes.

 

[Captain Idaho]

43 minutes ago, Northern Walker said:

Even as a marine player, a codex 2.0 before some people get 1.0 is in poor taste I think.

 

Agreed.

 

It does imply GW are conscious that sales outside Marines is lower than desired in 40K and therefore the company brings them back as a mini-new edition relaunch for sales boosts. 

Edited Monday at 10:41 AM by Captain Idaho

[Tokugawa]

Would new Vanguard Veterans and Assault Terminators kits released in this wave, or be kept for 11th?

[RWJP]

I suppose there's one other positive point we can possibly guess from this: If GW does release a Codex Space Marines 2.0 this late into 10th Edition, that almost certainly means that 11th Edition will not be a big change and invalidate too much previous content. There's no way GW would release a Space Marine codex and then invalidate it a few months later. They've been willing to do that to other factions, but I don't see them doing it to Marines.

[Captain Idaho]

Huh, a Space Marine new Codex with a new edition next year? So that would be 2 Space Marine Codex books in a matter of months then, since they'll likely get prioritised new Edition?

 

I dunno, surely not even the staunchest GW loyalist would be happy about that?

 

[Tokugawa]

4 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

 

Agreed.

 

It does imply GW are conscious that sales outside Marines is low in 40K and therefore the company brings them back as a mini-new edition relaunch for sales boosts. 

When I just entered this hobby in around 2006, people talked about marines making 40+% of sales, not of 40K, but of GW.

 

Today new growth points like epic and munda were developed outside of 40K, but marine also received most new toys which made by newest techniques. So we don't know whether this ratio really reduced…

[Chapter Master Valrak]

11 minutes ago, Tokugawa said:

Would new Vanguard Veterans and Assault Terminators kits released in this wave, or be kept for 11th?

 

Honestly no idea, hearing loads of new Space Marine models, Drop Pod etc, but I would bet most of it will be for 11th Edition. 

[Halandaar]

13 minutes ago, RWJP said:

I suppose there's one other positive point we can possibly guess from this: If GW does release a Codex Space Marines 2.0 this late into 10th Edition, that almost certainly means that 11th Edition will not be a big change and invalidate too much previous content. There's no way GW would release a Space Marine codex and then invalidate it a few months later. They've been willing to do that to other factions, but I don't see them doing it to Marines.

 

Maybe. 8th Edition had an SM Codex at the beginning (August 2017), and then another towards the end (August 2019) with 9th Edition out less than a year later. The fact that 8th to 9th wasn't a drastic change is pretty immaterial because SM got their 9th Edition Codex (invalidating the v2 one from late 8th) within a few months anyway.

[Emperor Ming]

New dex when its lurching towards 11th feels just like penny pinching to me

[phandaal]

Wonder what happens to the digital rules when this new book releases. Do people who already bought the 10th Ed SM codex get the new rules or do they need to buy another copy of the codex to keep going?

[ZeroWolf]

2 minutes ago, phandaal said:

Wonder what happens to the digital rules when this new book releases. Do people who already bought the 10th Ed SM codex get the new rules or do they need to buy another copy of the codex to keep going?

I think we all know the answer to that...unless someone at GW hit their head and had a morality switch and give SM 2.0 as a free PDF and app update without having to buy anything.

 

One can dream

[CL_Mission]

Although I would be excited for the models themselves, especially Assault Terminators, I'm not so keen on the idea of a 2.0 codex. I know very well Marines get the biggest part of pie in terms of attention and I don't really mind it that much but getting a second codex and a bunch of models before other factions get their one codex and probably a modicum of models seems pretty naff. 

It'll also suck if Space Marines get a new codex now and then another new on at the beginning of 11th which is supposedly coming next year, if they didn't get a new one with the new edition and the 2.0 codex just carries on into 11th that wouldn't be bad but why not wait until all the other faction have had their codex first.

[Norman Paperman]

I’d guess that this is the Salamanders dex in the road map, in that a bunch of HQ units might be one for each of the chapters. I doubt SM players are in any hurry to go and rebuy their entire leadership structures. 

[Mogger351]

56 minutes ago, Captain Idaho said:

 

Agreed.

 

It does imply GW are conscious that sales outside Marines is lower than desired in 40K and therefore the company brings them back as a mini-new edition relaunch for sales boosts. 

Which is kinda funny when you consider they had a 40k-free quarter last year.

[RS1169]

Could they pull the space marine chapter specific Christmas battle force boxes but in summer instead? Throw in the new chapter character in a box. Maybe even add a new unit in each. Make you buy each big box for the new unit to get them early. I can see it 
 

 

[DemonGSides]

I'm not sure I played more than one space marine game with the current codex, Marines have never felt good to me this edition.  So making them more fun to play would be awesome but also, let everyone get a codex first before issuing a whole new one. 

[SkimaskMohawk]

1 hour ago, Halandaar said:

 

Maybe. 8th Edition had an SM Codex at the beginning (August 2017), and then another towards the end (August 2019) with 9th Edition out less than a year later. The fact that 8th to 9th wasn't a drastic change is pretty immaterial because SM got their 9th Edition Codex (invalidating the v2 one from late 8th) within a few months anyway.

 

And they sold a ton of those 2.0 8th books due to how broken Marines turned out to be. I'm sure that sales data went a long way to encouraging them to do it again. 

[Karhedron]

6 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

I'm not sure I played more than one space marine game with the current codex, Marines have never felt good to me this edition.  So making them more fun to play would be awesome but also, let everyone get a codex first before issuing a whole new one. 

 

I agree that everyone should get their 1.0 Codex before Marines get their 2.0 but what about Marines in 10th disappoints you?

 

Personally I have really enjoyed playing my Marines this edition. The general reduction to lethality makes them feel slightly more elite again after years of being watered down. The unit special rules mean that those multiple flavours of infantry at least have defined roles and clear uses. I like the way the Detachment system has been decoupled from unit selection. I have always run my Space Wolves as a mechanised force so now I can play them using the Firestorm Detachment rules without having to cosplay as Salamanders.

[Lord Marshal]

 

41 minutes ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

 

And they sold a ton of those 2.0 8th books due to how broken Marines turned out to be. I'm sure that sales data went a long way to encouraging them to do it again. 

 

"I've always loved Iron Hands."

[DemonGSides]

44 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

I agree that everyone should get their 1.0 Codex before Marines get their 2.0 but what about Marines in 10th disappoints you?

 

Personally I have really enjoyed playing my Marines this edition. The general reduction to lethality makes them feel slightly more elite again after years of being watered down. The unit special rules mean that those multiple flavours of infantry at least have defined roles and clear uses. I like the way the Detachment system has been decoupled from unit selection. I have always run my Space Wolves as a mechanised force so now I can play them using the Firestorm Detachment rules without having to cosplay as Salamanders.

 

Pre codex they were boring, post codex they had like very obvious winners of which I owned very little of the correct models.

 

Blood angels now probably feel good but I haven't gotten enough painted to want to field them, and playing IG actually feels good and powerful and strong and Space Marines are T4 "elites".  Custodes felt truly elite (unfair comparison I understand) whereas unless you were willing to run something broken, for most of 10th SM had been pretty meh.

 

Mostly I've just had other things to play; DG felt better after they got their buffs, and they waited long enough to give SM anything that I had mostly moved on.  IG felt better with their armor than anything SM can field from that angle, and SM infantry is, once again, so slightly stronger than guard that it felt like I was removing models for them just as quickly as I was the guard, and that's not a good rate for ana army without 20 man bricks.

 

I'm not saying they are bad, I'm saying I didn't care for the play style. 

[Wraithwing]

Anyone got a summary of the rumours for those of us at work? Or is it literally, there's a 2.0 codex coming?

[Karhedron]

1 minute ago, Wraithwing said:

Anyone got a summary of the rumours for those of us at work? Or is it literally, there's a 2.0 codex coming?

 

It is not even really a rumour. Valrak is quite open that he is speculating it a will be a 2.0 Dex. The list of forthcoming models have some basis but the codex is just an idea at the moment.