Space Marine Codex 2.0

[WrathOfTheLion]

1 hour ago, Evil Eye said:

What bothers me is at least with the Custodes, they're the elite of the elite of the elite. According to the fluff it wasn't until very recently they even started operating outside of Terra. And the Escher ones are just cobbled-together things, effectively just a jet engine strapped to a suspensor platform, rather than anything even remotely sophisticated. Sammael having the last true jetbike outside the Custodes was still something to be proud of. Giving one to a White Scar is a bit weak because A: it cheapens Sammael, B: why isn't Sammael just getting a new model given his current (gorgeous) one is metal/resin, and C: why can't the White Scars get a character on a regular bike? Why isn't Kor'sarro Khan finally getting Moondrakken back?

For Sammael not having a new model, the simple matter is that there's clearly a second wave of Dark Angels that will come out later, including Ravenwing models, Sammael, Ezekiel and probably an Interrogator-Chaplain.

 

If there's a new Land Speeder and multipart bikes as rumored, it could very well be they've been waiting for that range of Space Marine stuff to be out before doing anything with Ravenwing.

[ZeroWolf]

1 minute ago, Karhedron said:

 

I don't think so. It was roughly 6 months between Dark Angels and Blood Angels and now about 9 months for Space Wolves. Honestly I would have been more surprised if Space Wolves had not arrived soon. 

Yeah it's worth noting that generally, GW plan these things 3 years in advance (to the best of their ability) in order to use their factory output efficiently. They really don't have the capacity to do a quick turn around 

[TheMawr]

42 minutes ago, Wispy said:

 Definitely think that's what caused Space Wolves to emerge on the road map so suddenly, coinciding with the Space Wolves DLC.

 

More likely the other way around if there is any relation to it.

a videogame mod/dlc takes significantly smaller time than a codex with accompanying miniatures release.

[TheNicronomicon]

I would imagine it's more likely to be a supplement than a rehashing of the Codex. Were I a betting man**, I'd say it'll be the new HQ units, maybe a couple of Detachments*, datasheets for whatever new/updated models are released, and updated datasheets for any errata'ed Marine units we've had so far, like Intercessors, if they want to bulk it out. Sticking with the money-grubbing GW image, why would they invalidate a previous book when they could sell you a book you need another book to use instead? (insert thinkAboutIt.gif here) If BA, DA, SW, and BT players are already buying two books, why wouldn't they wanna sell UM, RG, WS, IH, S, IF players a second book? Whether they could make BA/DA/SW/BT players buy a third is I suppose the truly diabolical question here.

*No idea what they could be, but maybe specialized versions of Vanguard, Gladius, Stormlance, etc. locked to Chapter-specific keywords ("Salamanders Firestorm Detachment," "Raven Vanguard," etc) to synergize with the new HQs. Or maybe they give us a drop-pod detachment, if they're releasing an updated model. 

 

**A really spicy guess would be Hounds-of-Morkai-style paintjob/upgrade kit units for each of the FF Chapters to go with the new HQs. Like Outriders+ for Scars, or Infernus Marines+ for Salamanders. That would actually be pretty cool!

Edited Monday at 08:33 PM by TheNicronomicon

[Dark Shepherd]

Dont hate the player, hate the game but this could be (an attempt at) clever timing from GWs point of view, new marine codex now retires most of remaining first born kits but new HH this summer is their attempt to say look at at all this stuff if you dont like primaris. Plus 40k marine players get termies and various characters we want updated. Plus then 11th launch doesnt come with as much salt over firstborn all being gone

 

Again, must stress this is me guessing their logic, I want to keep my box dreads :)

Edited Monday at 08:54 PM by Dark Shepherd

[phandaal]

41 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Dont hate the player, hate the game but this could be (an attempt at) clever timing from GWs point of view, new marine codex now retires most of remaining first born kits but new HH this summer is their attempt to say look at at all this stuff if you dont like primaris. Plus 40k marine players get termies and various characters we want updated. Plus then 11th launch doesnt come with as much salt over firstborn all being gone

 

Again, must stress this is me guessing their logic, I want to keep my box dreads :)

 

Looking at the recent Space Wolf reveals, we could also start seeing other armor marks mixed in with Mk X stuff. If the other marks start showing up in Upscale form, that would make it mostly a question of which units keep their datasheets rather than "Primaris vs Firstborn."

[Wormwoods]

2 minutes ago, phandaal said:

Looking at the recent Space Wolf reveals, we could also start seeing other armor marks mixed in with Mk X stuff. If the other marks start showing up in Upscale form, that would make it mostly a question of which units keep their datasheets rather than "Primaris vs Firstborn."

This has been my read since the Leviathan box. The moment they put out a Primaris kit with alternate knees and a MK7 helmet on the sprue the writing was on the wall. They're mashing the lines together, we're going to get a either a 'Primaris Tactical Squad' or an updated Intercessor Squad, and in either case it'll be MK10 marines with a selection of earlier mark bits and weapon options, and it'll be close enough for some and frustrating for others. They've chosen the most viable path, one where they never COMPLETELY kill the firstborn, but also don't 'go back on making Primaris' which was never going to happen. 

 

Probably not Devastators, though.

[INKS]

100% I believe that space marines are likely to get a 2.0 when some factions haven't even seen one yet... not a good decision mind you. but I can see them doing it. space marines sort of float the bill for the other factions, heck they float the bill for some of their other games...

[Wormwoods]

3 minutes ago, INKS said:

100% I believe that space marines are likely to get a 2.0 when some factions haven't even seen one yet... not a good decision mind you. but I can see them doing it. space marines sort of float the bill for the other factions, heck they float the bill for some of their other games...

That's the thing, right? If people don't like marines getting so much more attention and content then a lot more people need to start buying Tau and Dark Eldar. Be the change you want to see in the world, and give the rest of your gaming group something xenos to shoot at for a change!

[Iron Father Ferrum]

9 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

 

"I've always loved Iron Hands."

 

The amount of times people confused us for Iron Warriors was astounding.

[phandaal]

1 hour ago, Iron Father Ferrum said:

 

The amount of times people confused us for Iron Warriors was astounding.

 

The amount of people who "always wanted to play" the latest OP thing will never stop amusing me. Our local 40k leagues have a bunch of guys who just rediscovered their love of Eldar-- wait Tyranids-- wait I can win with a Frankenstein list of special characters and random vehicles?? For Ultramar!

[INKS]

1 hour ago, phandaal said:

 

The amount of people who "always wanted to play" the latest OP thing will never stop amusing me. Our local 40k leagues have a bunch of guys who just rediscovered their love of Eldar-- wait Tyranids-- wait I can win with a Frankenstein list of special characters and random vehicles?? For Ultramar!

I am very bad for this in the sense that I watch a lore video and re-fall in love with whatever I just watched. lol

[HeadlessCross]

6 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

What bothers me is at least with the Custodes, they're the elite of the elite of the elite. According to the fluff it wasn't until very recently they even started operating outside of Terra. And the Escher ones are just cobbled-together things, effectively just a jet engine strapped to a suspensor platform, rather than anything even remotely sophisticated. Sammael having the last true jetbike outside the Custodes was still something to be proud of. Giving one to a White Scar is a bit weak because A: it cheapens Sammael, B: why isn't Sammael just getting a new model given his current (gorgeous) one is metal/resin, and C: why can't the White Scars get a character on a regular bike? Why isn't Kor'sarro Khan finally getting Moondrakken back?

Okay, and a better question is why is Sammael the special snowflake that gets the jetbike on top of being in a special snowflake Chapter that GW pretends is a separate army? Why should Sammael exist to begin with when White Scars probably deserve a character with the last jetbike rhetoric even more?

[Wormwoods]

They should just put the White Scars on Primaris Horses. 

[crimsondave]

1 hour ago, HeadlessCross said:

Okay, and a better question is why is Sammael the special snowflake that gets the jetbike on top of being in a special snowflake Chapter that GW pretends is a separate army? Why should Sammael exist to begin with when White Scars probably deserve a character with the last jetbike rhetoric even more?

 

Because there is 100 Dark Angel players for every 1 White Scars player?

[TheMawr]

7 minutes ago, Wormwoods said:

They should just put the White Scars on Primaris Horses. 

 

Dont be redicilus

 

 

 

 

 

they should BE the horses -> White Scars Primaris Centaurions

[Felix Antipodes]

29 minutes ago, Wormwoods said:

They should just put the White Scars on Primaris Horses. 

Had a vision of them on Krieg horses and now I wanna build one 

[Silas7]

6 hours ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Dont hate the player, hate the game but this could be (an attempt at) clever timing from GWs point of view, new marine codex now retires most of remaining first born kits but new HH this summer is their attempt to say look at at all this stuff if you dont like primaris. Plus 40k marine players get termies and various characters we want updated. Plus then 11th launch doesnt come with as much salt over firstborn all being gone

 

Again, must stress this is me guessing their logic, I want to keep my box dreads :)

 

HH screws over every second founding chapter though. HH is not designed to be a grease trap for 40K

4 hours ago, Iron Father Ferrum said:

 

The amount of times people confused us for Iron Warriors was astounding.

Iron within, Iron without, brother!

[Tokugawa]

If GW prepared enough models for chapter exclusive units, like "Phalanx gravis guardian" and "Bolt brethen", then an IF codex is reasonable and necessary. If IF only have Lysander and Garadon, an IF codex is just rules bloating and cash grab, and totally opposite of 10th "every player can play any codex chapter he love, no matter the colors" changes.

[HeadlessCross]

53 minutes ago, Wormwoods said:

They should just put the White Scars on Primaris Horses. 

Marine Calvary should be a generic option for Marine players to use, but you know how much GW loves their bespoke rules. 

[Commissar Greif]

8 hours ago, TheNicronomicon said:

I would imagine it's more likely to be a supplement than a rehashing of the Codex. Were I a betting man**, I'd say it'll be the new HQ units, maybe a couple of Detachments*, datasheets for whatever new/updated models are released, and updated datasheets for any errata'ed Marine units we've had so far, like Intercessors, if they want to bulk it out. Sticking with the money-grubbing GW image, why would they invalidate a previous book when they could sell you a book you need another book to use instead? (insert thinkAboutIt.gif here) If BA, DA, SW, and BT players are already buying two books, why wouldn't they wanna sell UM, RG, WS, IH, S, IF players a second book? Whether they could make BA/DA/SW/BT players buy a third is I suppose the truly diabolical question here.

*No idea what they could be, but maybe specialized versions of Vanguard, Gladius, Stormlance, etc. locked to Chapter-specific keywords ("Salamanders Firestorm Detachment," "Raven Vanguard," etc) to synergize with the new HQs. Or maybe they give us a drop-pod detachment, if they're releasing an updated model. 

 

**A really spicy guess would be Hounds-of-Morkai-style paintjob/upgrade kit units for each of the FF Chapters to go with the new HQs. Like Outriders+ for Scars, or Infernus Marines+ for Salamanders. That would actually be pretty cool!

 

Leaning toward this thought, too. I'm not expecting a full second codex, but more a supplementary codex kind of like the books Orruk Warclans or Slaves to Darkness received in Age of Sigmar when the Ironjawz and Darkoath got refreshed, but on a larger scale.

Edited Tuesday at 04:41 AM by Commissar Greif

[Wispy]

9 hours ago, TheMawr said:

 

More likely the other way around if there is any relation to it.

a videogame mod/dlc takes significantly smaller time than a codex with accompanying miniatures release.

I mean, yes, but I think they probably had the Space Wolves on the backburner at this point and shuffled them forward. They did budge in line into the road map.

Edited Tuesday at 05:59 AM by Wispy

[TheArtilleryman]

19 hours ago, Halandaar said:

 

Maybe. 8th Edition had an SM Codex at the beginning (August 2017), and then another towards the end (August 2019) with 9th Edition out less than a year later. The fact that 8th to 9th wasn't a drastic change is pretty immaterial because SM got their 9th Edition Codex (invalidating the v2 one from late 8th) within a few months anyway.

Wow. This wasn’t that long ago in the grand scheme of things and I don’t remember it happening at all

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

12 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

What bothers me is at least with the Custodes, they're the elite of the elite of the elite. According to the fluff it wasn't until very recently they even started operating outside of Terra. And the Escher ones are just cobbled-together things, effectively just a jet engine strapped to a suspensor platform, rather than anything even remotely sophisticated. Sammael having the last true jetbike outside the Custodes was still something to be proud of. Giving one to a White Scar is a bit weak because A: it cheapens Sammael, B: why isn't Sammael just getting a new model given his current (gorgeous) one is metal/resin, and C: why can't the White Scars get a character on a regular bike? Why isn't Kor'sarro Khan finally getting Moondrakken back?

Back in the day only Black Templars had LR Crusaders. The same will apply to jetbikes. Tomorrow everyone will have them with the exception of the poorest factions.

 

4 hours ago, Wormwoods said:

They should just put the White Scars on Primaris Horses. 

Now you are talking! Take away their helmets & bolters too. Give them as a fair exchange fur hats and power bows. The traitors henceforth shall be shaking in their boots when facing such an outstanding force!

[ZeroWolf]

3 hours ago, Wispy said:

I mean, yes, but I think they probably had the Space Wolves on the backburner at this point and shuffled them forward. They did budge in line into the road map.

To be fair, when Valrak started talking about the space Wolves refresh, his "whispers" were talking about a summer launch, which is looking accurate as the release of all the chaos stuff will likely take us to the end of May. Unless they rapid fire every chaos codex over sequential preorder days. 

 

Its more likely that the SW were always going to be released now and the road map change was a last minute surprise for people who don't follow rumours. GW are usually meticulous in their planning what the factory makes. For an example, look at when something does go wrong like Cursed City.