Grimtooth Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 All my models are “Firstborn” and the size disparity has driven me crazy since Primaris first came out. With the recent news, full and completely new army and list will be needed. Buy: (2) - Army Boxes (if I can find someone to take the extra wolf priest, extra WGBL, codex, and data sheets) (1) - SW Combat Patrol (or just the LT if I can’t find an easy bits solution to getting Intercessors to GH loadout) (2) - Wulfen (if they stay and need to double check on size comparison) (1) - Brutalis/Bjorn (whatever they do with him) (1) - Hounds of Morkai (1) - Rune Priest (waiting to see what they do) (3) - Primaris Repulsor (1) - Primaris Repulsor Executioner (2) - Drop Pods (if they do come out with something new for Primaris) (2) - TWC if they do something with them in say Reiver armor for example. Depending on what happens to Long Fangs, going to need to figure out what to replace them with from Primaris. Extra unit of Blood Claws will become Sky Claws if they follow precedent with jump pack equipped Primaris Death Company. Until I see what they do with a Wolf Lord model, will use Primaris LT from Combat Patrol as a WGBL and WGBL from army box as a Wolf Lord. Not sure if Storm Speeders are going to integrate, but will likely bring them in to have for campaign lists. Build: Zero desire for competitive play. I did the RT/GT thing and facing the same flavorless internet copy/paste multiple times in the same tournament is boring as hell. This army is meant for narrative/campaign play. Flexible enough for mission builds in a roleplaying manner and not for turn 2 tabling. Rockybaerboa, Karhedron, Filius and 1 other 2 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 I thought I read/heard that the current Wulfen are sized appropriately for Primaris. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6103390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 2 Author Share Posted April 2 13 minutes ago, Lord Ragnarok said: I thought I read/heard that the current Wulfen are sized appropriately for Primaris. I was under the same impression from reading it “somewhere”, but never saw a side by side. If they are bigger than Firstborn and slightly smaller than Primaris, I could see that being kosher for my personal tastes. Apokalypsi 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6103391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apokalypsi Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Are you wanting to replace the Drop Pods or just don't own any? Drop Pods can take Tacticus and Phobos armor already. A squad of 9 Hellblasters and an LT (hopefully the new Wolf Priest to revive though) in one is so much fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6103398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 2 Author Share Posted April 2 1 hour ago, Apokalypsi said: Are you wanting to replace the Drop Pods or just don't own any? Drop Pods can take Tacticus and Phobos armor already. A squad of 9 Hellblasters and an LT (hopefully the new Wolf Priest to revive though) in one is so much fun. I didn’t know they were able to carry any Primaris so will likely pick a couple up now that I know. Wasn’t sure if it was allowed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6103407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 On 4/2/2025 at 5:36 PM, Grimtooth said: I didn’t know they were able to carry any Primaris so will likely pick a couple up now that I know. Wasn’t sure if it was allowed. They can, but you kind of have to pay a premium to include a leader in that squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6103860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 7 Author Share Posted April 7 On 4/5/2025 at 1:20 PM, Lemondish said: They can, but you kind of have to pay a premium to include a leader in that squad. Less worried about points cost. If I am in a narrative campaign and need drop pods, I will use them. Coming back, I really just want to have fun again and this codex looks to provide that unless something major comes out that changes my mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6104105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Grimtooth said: Less worried about points cost. If I am in a narrative campaign and need drop pods, I will use them. In that case, have at it! There are some fun narrative hooks available within those rules as to why a particular squad is only nine members at the moment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6104128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraithwing Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Couple of rumours floating round about potentially new Drop Pods, so you may want to hang fire a bit. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6104135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 On 4/2/2025 at 12:02 PM, Grimtooth said: I was under the same impression from reading it “somewhere”, but never saw a side by side. If they are bigger than Firstborn and slightly smaller than Primaris, I could see that being kosher for my personal tastes. They're the same size as Primaris but are less bulky because they're less lightly armoured. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6104213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 9 Author Share Posted April 9 23 hours ago, Wispy said: They're the same size as Primaris but are less bulky because they're less lightly armoured. This is basically what I heard as well; the proper height for an enamored Primaris. Wispy 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6104351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 So just going to add to this topic instead of creating a new one for my army build plans so far. With the old SW Combat Patrol and the new SW Army box I am going to build out the following; WGBL Wolf Priest SW LT Right now going with unnamed HQ to be able to play not as Grimnar or Ragnar would fight a battle, but what I how I want my SW to fight a battle. If we end up being able to take Codex adherent Primaris units such as Intercessors, the SW Lt ends up with them. Others will go with what units they synergize with best. Headtakers I never really played any dedicated WG terminator units in my armies so not sure where they fit in for me. Maybe for some campaign specific games or throw them in when I have some points to spend. GH/BC I loved our old force organization charts with our compulsory rules. I even liked the SW specific rule for a HQ unit for every 750pts. So GH/BC will be the bread and butter of my gaming. SW Intercessors If we end up getting to bring in codex adherent SW units, I will treat them the same as GH/BC, albeit in a role suited for them and led by the codex adherent SW LT. Tactical Warsuit Meh, will see if I even build it out or trade it to someone for models. Primaris Reivers Will either play them as codex adherent Primaris under the SW Lt or if we get some news on our Wolf Scouts, will play them as them. Additional Units: Wulfen Wulfen Dread Bjorn Transports Heavy Support Still want a full read of the codex prior, but can’t wait to get in some games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6113129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagnarökNRoll Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 11 hours ago, Grimtooth said: If we end up being able to take Codex adherent Primaris units such as Intercessors, the SW Lt ends up with them. Others will go with what units they synergize with best. You absolutely can with the new Codex. No limitations outside what's in the current Space Marine FAQ as well. Some of the enhancements or stratagems may not apply to those units, depending on the detachment you wish to play. And if you haven't considered it, the 'LT' from the Combat Patrol (Haldor Icepelt) has a legal loadout for a Wolf Guard Battle Leader. That's how I'll be using him, giving me two right from the start. 11 hours ago, Grimtooth said: Headtakers I never really played any dedicated WG terminator units in my armies so not sure where they fit in for me. Maybe for some campaign specific games or throw them in when I have some points to spend. Headtakers aren't Terminators — they're more like Bladeguard. I'm going to be trying them out in two styles - big 6 model unit with the priest and shields to play as a durable brawler, or MSU with WGBL in multiple 3 man units to as trade pieces and the dual weapons. I like the narrative opportunities for that second one the best, personally. What are you thinking for Transports and Heavy Support? Going to dip into some of vehicles or stick with infantry? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6113190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 31 Author Share Posted May 31 9 hours ago, RagnarökNRoll said: You absolutely can with the new Codex. No limitations outside what's in the current Space Marine FAQ as well. Some of the enhancements or stratagems may not apply to those units, depending on the detachment you wish to play. And if you haven't considered it, the 'LT' from the Combat Patrol (Haldor Icepelt) has a legal loadout for a Wolf Guard Battle Leader. That's how I'll be using him, giving me two right from the start. Headtakers aren't Terminators — they're more like Bladeguard. I'm going to be trying them out in two styles - big 6 model unit with the priest and shields to play as a durable brawler, or MSU with WGBL in multiple 3 man units to as trade pieces and the dual weapons. I like the narrative opportunities for that second one the best, personally. What are you thinking for Transports and Heavy Support? Going to dip into some of vehicles or stick with infantry? I meant that I never ran any form of the WG Terminator bomb from back in the day. Any narrative play would be around them being joined by an HQ choice to have to go do something they may not be likely coming back from. A big big bug/demon that needs to be dropped or like a boarding party. I need to take a long look at vehicles. I love Predators so with our Long Fangs in limbo, that might be my heavy weapon platforms for now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6113254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted yesterday at 12:41 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:41 AM For me...the biggest piece of news from the updates today was the base size of the headtaker hunting wolves They are on a bigger oval base and not the same as fenrisian wolves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6114278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted yesterday at 11:53 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 11:53 AM (edited) 11 hours ago, TiguriusX said: For me...the biggest piece of news from the updates today was the base size of the headtaker hunting wolves They are on a bigger oval base and not the same as fenrisian wolves I noticed that as well when I was looking for some resin bases. I pulled up the inventory for the box army to make sure I ordered what I needed and when I saw 60mm x 35.5mm oval bases, I had to do a double take on the models to be sure they didn’t belong to another unit. Considering the Hunting wolves size in relation to the Headtakers, I do wonder if this is a stealth rescale of Fenrisian Wolves that will lead to new rescaled TWC. I was out of town yesterday and happened to stop into a local game shop to burn some time and was able to pick up the SW Combat Patrol box, the last one they had in stock. Now just waiting on the box army. Edited yesterday at 11:56 AM by Grimtooth TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6114328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagnarökNRoll Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago Those Wolves will be fantastic move blockers, that's for sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6114382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted 21 hours ago Author Share Posted 21 hours ago Anyone using Tactical Warsuits? They don’t seem very SW aesthetically, tactically, or even mentally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6114396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago On 5/31/2025 at 3:45 PM, Grimtooth said: I need to take a long look at vehicles. I love Predators so with our Long Fangs in limbo, that might be my heavy weapon platforms for now. Fortunately the Marine vehicle lineup is in a reasonably good place at the moment so you are spoilt for choice. Predators are decent and the Annihilator is kinda fluffy for us since it was supposedly invented by the Space Wolves. Gladiator Lancer, Vindicator and Ballistus Dread are all great fire support pieces. Even the Redemptor Dread can bring some decent firepower and overcharged plasma has some decent play in a game where 3W infantry are getting everywhere. Last but not least, I have to say that I love my Land Raiders. To me they are such an iconic Space Marine vehicle and 10th edition is the first time in ages that they are actually worth fielding. They are a great way to deliver our big squads of hitty infantry to the enemy. The regular LR packs 4 lascannons meaning it also doubles up as a pretty decent source of anti-tank firepower. The Redeemer is a fantastic area denial piece as those Flamestorm Cannons are perfect for the Overwatch stratagem. The Crusader is probably the weakest of the bunch in 10th but is also the cheapest and you can squeeze 16 bodies in there. Jorin Helm-splitter 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6114435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 5 hours ago, Grimtooth said: Anyone using Tactical Warsuits? They don’t seem very SW aesthetically, tactically, or even mentally. I ran them for a bit, but I stopped after they released the storm speeders. They tend to bully infantry which isn't a problem for wolves. They did try to tie the phobos units to wolves a bit but they did a bad job of addressing how primaris fit in to the chapter. I will say that I feel like GW has wanted outflanking reserve lists, and power armor horde builds to be a thing for wolves for awhille, they just seem really bad at making it appealing. Just look at Saga of the Hunter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/385619-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new/#findComment-6114447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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