Ravenwing put in Dreadnoughts

[crimsondave]

What happens to Ravenwing who are injured to the point of being put in a dreadnought?  Is this even mentioned anywhere?  I have a green redemptor, a green Balistus, and a Deathwing melee Leviathan.  I have another printed Leviathan I’m doing with twin quad cannons but I’m not sure how to paint it.  I’d like to do Ravenwing, and I know I can do what I want, but I’ve tried to keep my DAs fairly lore accurate.  I’ve never seen a Ravenwing dread.  Do they go back to green if they go in a dreadnought?

[Interrogator Stobz]

I'd think they'd wear the colors of the Company they're posted to, obviously not the Second anymore.

So, Bone or Green sounds right.

Probably with some personal emblem to denote their time in the Ravenwing.

[Mazer Rackham]

+I hasten to your aid, Brother.+

 

 

I am so, so sorry, but this was all I could think of.

[LameBeard]

I believe there was once a Ravenwing venerable dreadnought in White Dwarf, modelled as stepping off a drop-pod. That was the rationalization for keeping up with his brothers. I like @Interrogator Stobz version, but I think there’s room for both.

[Tacitus]

Current "Lore" suggests since all Dreads are Deathwing, everyone who earns a spot in a Dread is a mamber of the Deathwing - meaning Ravenwing can't get in one? 

[LameBeard]

1 hour ago, Tacitus said:

Current "Lore" suggests since all Dreads are Deathwing, everyone who earns a spot in a Dread is a mamber of the Deathwing - meaning Ravenwing can't get in one? 

I had not seen that lore. Surely we’ve seen green dreads recently?

 

The other thing I remember is that in Second Edition I think there was the option to put a dreadnought on a “flatbed” rhino. Idea seemed to catch on  for White Scar players. Ravenwing could do it. 

[Xenith]

I'd think they would receive a company reallocation and thus be in green.

[casb1965]

https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Dark-Angels-Legion-Leviathan-Siege-Dreadnought-2019?srsltid=AfmBOorxOjosWP1gEFWfkLfoSMoak04t9roTFAepbuRN_36k8ejwJdDY

 

They most certainly can be black.

[Xenith]

That's the preheresy/heresy era scheme though, when everything was black. 

[Tacitus]

12 hours ago, LameBeard said:

I had not seen that lore. Surely we’ve seen green dreads recently?

 

The other thing I remember is that in Second Edition I think there was the option to put a dreadnought on a “flatbed” rhino. Idea seemed to catch on  for White Scar players. Ravenwing could do it. 

Its in the rules - all Dreads get the Deathwing Keyword.

[ValourousHeart]

On 4/6/2025 at 1:50 AM, Tacitus said:

Current "Lore" suggests since all Dreads are Deathwing, everyone who earns a spot in a Dread is a mamber of the Deathwing - meaning Ravenwing can't get in one? 

I beg to differ. 
 

Sammie, Talonmasters, black knights, all captains, all librarians, and about half of the chaplains are members of deathwing. And that doesn’t include any of the company veterans many of whom are also members of deathwing. 
 

Meaning that it only requires time to get into Deathwing. 
 

Here is what I did to show Ravenwing dreadnoughts. 

 

Thunderfire canon tracks, gives the impression that they can shift gears and keep up with the bikes. Inspired by The Eliminators, Short Circuit, and Terminator Judgement Day. 

 

[Interrogator Stobz]

Never forget the distinction between the Deathwing as a sect of those in the know, who are across every Company, and Deathwing as a Company unit, painted Bone.

[Tacitus]

17 minutes ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

Never forget the distinction between the Deathwing as a sect of those in the know, who are across every Company, and Deathwing as a Company unit, painted Bone.

A greenwing Dread may have been a Captain, or veteran Sergeant back from serving in the Deathwing to get the Deathwing keyword.  I'm not sure Ravenwing get those sergeants.  

[ValourousHeart]

Be careful  about locking yourself in to a narrow view of 40K. 
 

The current game mechanics don’t reflect the depth and breadth of the universe. And the previous versions didn’t either. 
 

In 3rd and 4th editions we couldn’t put a banner or apothecary on bike, even though the codex lore identified that Ravenwing had them. 
 

We got those realized in 5th edition. We still have them in game now, as long as that box keeps selling. 
 

We will probably never get an official Ravenwing themed dreadnought for the table. But this hobby used to encourage creativity, and I am not ready to let that aspect slip away. 
 

That is why I made my 2 Ravenwing dreadnoughts. 
 

If you want to make something unique and amazing, go for it.

 

Be sure to post pictures so the next person can be inspired. 

[Tacitus]

29 minutes ago, ValourousHeart said:

Be careful  about locking yourself in to a narrow view of 40K. 

That's why I said "Current"

[ValourousHeart]

Above is the outside world answer. This is the creative lore reading answer.
 

You won’t likely find any direct reference to a Ravenwing dreadnought in the lore, but you can extrapolate one. 
 

Don’t focus on the dreadnought, instead  consider the sarcophagus. The marine is put into the sarcophagus, and the sarcophagus is put into the dreadnought. 
 

So the sarcophagus is like a cockpit with a dreadnought built around it. What other things could be piloted with this technology?

 

The Rock!

 

So we can either assume that it never occurred to anyone to use it any where else, or just about anything could be piloted in this manner. 
 

One of the options I considered before building my dreadnoughts was the land speeder tempest. It had a closed canopy which resembled the sarcophagus on the dreadnought. So was it a closed canopy or a sealed sarcophagus?

[ValourousHeart]

25 minutes ago, Tacitus said:

That's why I said "Current"

I wasn’t criticizing your comment. I was stating my view on the hobby. 
 

The point I made about the Ravenwing banner and apothecary was about what I experienced in 4th edition when I decided that I just wanted to build them even if they didn’t have rules. 
 

Lots of people kept telling me that Ravenwing doesn’t have those. 
 

They also complained that I used plasma pistols bits instead of bolt pistols bits on the bikes.   It was extremely important for me to use the little piece of plastic that they approved, god forbid I have any creative license with my own models. 
 

I’m at a much better store now. But make no mistake, there are plenty of people in the hobby that believe that their interpretation of the universe is the only correct interpretation. 
 

My belief is that we all can add a little something of our own. 
 

EDIT - I just noticed that your and my comments keep following each other.   I see now that might be read as directed at each other, but that wasn’t my intention. 

Edited April 13 by ValourousHeart

[Tacitus]

1 hour ago, ValourousHeart said:

Above is the outside world answer. This is the creative lore reading answer.
 

You won’t likely find any direct reference to a Ravenwing dreadnought in the lore, but you can extrapolate one. 

Don’t focus on the dreadnought, instead  consider the sarcophagus. The marine is put into the sarcophagus, and the sarcophagus is put into the dreadnought. 

Ironically that's what makes Deathwing Only Dreads make sense to me.  There's a finite/limited number of sarcophagi.  The Unforgiven desperately protecting their secrets could easily decide to reserve those spots for the people who have earned the terrible burden of all those secrets.

 

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So the sarcophagus is like a cockpit with a dreadnought built around it. What other things could be piloted with this technology?

 

The Rock!

 

So we can either assume that it never occurred to anyone to use it any where else, or just about anything could be piloted in this manner. 
 

One of the options I considered before building my dreadnoughts was the land speeder tempest. It had a closed canopy which resembled the sarcophagus on the dreadnought. So was it a closed canopy or a sealed sarcophagus?

The Rock is "piloted" by the Master of the Forge.  He gets permanently hard wired in when he gets the "honor" of the "promotion". 

 

The most likely headcannon for a Dread in the Ravenwing is a Deathwing Company Dread attached to the Ravenwing Company to observe the Ravenwing for the best potential Marines for promotion to the Deathwing from the Ravenwing.